Metal buildings/shops

Junkyard Dog

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So I'm in the early stages of planning a metal building. Looking at doing a 60*100 with 20*100 lean to down one wall. Looking for opinions from folks who have had one erected or done it themselves. And just to clarify I'm talking red iron type buildings. I have experience in doing the iron work but not the tin and insulation. I leaning toward doing the iron myself and contracting the rest. Anyone on here in the business? Central NC area. Also looking for concrete contractor recommendations. Like I said I'm in the early stages and trying to get some price quotes together. For instance, a guy I know had a rhino building put up late last year, crew that done work had hardly any tools and he ended up loaning them half of what they needed. Trying to avoid things like this.
 
You are here in town...Talk to Bryan Ritter at SMB - Sanford Metal Buildings... Home (this is sort of the same SMB that's been around since the '70's....he worked there and bought it from the original owners a few years ago when things slowed).

I am in the planning stages of a 42 x 66 x 16...will have it up sometime this year. So far, Bryan has everybody beat (on price and confidence level). He's real quick to reply to questions (aamof, I emailed him this afternoon (Sunday) with some questions, already heard back from him tonight).

Going turn-key with an insulated shell. I am planning to do interior partitions and electrical. I really don't think you'll find you'll save that much $ by putting up the red iron yourself...that goes up so fast, there really isn't that much labor involved. Most labor in the building itself is installing insulation, and putting the ten gazzillion screws in the metal panels.

Bryan gave me some referrals and we went out and looked at a couple of Buildings he has done lately, and talked with the owners.

I was hoping to deal with somebody local so I could go bitch in person rather than calling General whoever in Colorado wherever. Or Morton. Or Rhino. Etc. That's worth a lot to me.
 
The tin is pretty easy to do yourself. But, there is an art to it. If you aren't careful, it can walk on you and end up being 3" out of plumb without ever really knowing it.

I e put up several million square feet of it in the past and its easy. But, you need to take your time and set the first couple of sheets right and the rest will fall in place. Pay attention to the screws and use the right ones. Set your tension in your screw gun or you will break screws or strip out the lap holes. Use mastic on the laps. Use closures at the top. Insulation is easy, roll it out and tape it at the top and lay the sheets over it and go to town screwing down. Don't install the sheets on a windy day! ;)

Depending on eave height, you may need a JLG lift to make things go fast. Screwing sheets down from a ladder sucks.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about metal buildings.
 
I figure that the money saved on the iron will offset the cost of lean to or close to it. As far as tin and insulation go, it would be hard to coordinate the help,time off work and weather. A quick call to one place and it sounded like labor would be more than the cost of the building package. Maybe 25% more.
 
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I have requested a few quotes on 60*100 with 20*100 lean to down one wall. 8' interior panels and 3 roll up doors and 3 personnel doors. prices are about $7/sf on materials. without lean to im seeing about $9/sf for enclosed space. just thought I'd update encase anyone was wondering about pricing.
 
Junkyard Dog said:
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I have requested a few quotes on 60*100 with 20*100 lean to down one wall.... without lean to im seeing about $9/sf for enclosed space.
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Does that include concrete and erection?
 
UTfball68 said:
Same question...everywhere I look, concrete is as much as the actual building. So 6000sq/ft at $9sq/ft would put you at $54k...and I'd expect $50k in concrete/prep work, so all in at about $100k.
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Around here, 6000sqft of concrete at 4" thick should run around $25k unless its something really special.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Around here, 6000sqft of concrete at 4" thick should run around $25k unless its something really special.
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Fair...I suppose I should have specified, I was being told for my purposes I should plan on 6-8" for lifts and heavy machinery. But I know diddly about concrete outside of the handful of bags of quickrete I use every year.
 
For a decently open slab about that size, you can figure $300-$350/CY finished for concrete. That's form, tie, pour, finish, strip "shoot from the hip" estimate.

Obviously if you are pouring a 10' x 10' patio, costs per CY will be more
 
UTfball68 said:
Fair...I suppose I should have specified, I was being told for my purposes I should plan on 6-8" for lifts and heavy machinery. But I know diddly about concrete outside of the handful of bags of quickrete I use every year.
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Most lift manufacturers specify 4" minimum, and unless it really heavy equipment, 4" will be fine. My forklift weighs 11,000+ pounds, and I've carried ~6,000 pounds with it, so thats 17,000 pounds, with most of that load on the front 2 wheels. No issues with a 4" slab. I did thicken the slab to about 6-7" and put extra rebar where my lift was going, but its not necessary, and there's no way I'd pay for 6" everywhere if I only wanted it in a few places.
 
UTfball68 said:
Fair...I suppose I should have specified, I was being told for my purposes I should plan on 6-8" for lifts and heavy machinery. But I know diddly about concrete outside of the handful of bags of quickrete I use every year.
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You only need to thicken the slab in the area lifts would be or machinery. You would have to have some serious machinery stuff to need more than 6"

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That is no erecting or concrete. I have priced the concrete at $110/yd and talked to some that will poor/form it for $1.50/sq-ft. So that's $9000 in labor and I'm roughly guessing 100 yds. So roughly $20k for concrete. I will probably do iron myself and let some else do tin and insulation.
 
We just had a similar building quoted. Erected insulated metal. All opening trimmed out, gutter and 8' interior panels for right at $6 a square foot. And it was done in three weeks.

Just for reference most guys that erect buildings that size won't look at insulating and finishing If they don't do the iron.

Your going to have to hire a crew (friends maybe) to help erect and you will spend a ton of time doing it. Save money maybe but one guy can't set one of these buildings

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Loganwayne said:
We just had a similar building quoted. Erected insulated metal. All opening trimmed out, gutter and 8' interior panels for right at $6 a square foot. And it was done in three weeks.

Just for reference most guys that erect buildings that size won't look at insulating and finishing If they don't do the iron.

Your going to have to hire a crew (friends maybe) to help erect and you will spend a ton of time doing it. Save money maybe but one guy can't set one of these buildings

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Have the contact info for the erector?$6/SF sounds pretty good.
 
Never heard of them. This may not be true for them but alot of places buy a building from a manufacturer and then retail it as their own with profit for them. Contact building manufacturer direct like A&S just even for a quote. (Not 100% sure if they will sell to public but I think Morton does)

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Also ask about their standard sizes 100x60 might be but odd sizes they just size up to the next side instead of engineering a new beam. In that case sizing up could cost basically nothing to the price per square foot

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Junkyard Dog said:
Heard much about them? I run across them at the farm show. They were one of 2 or 3 there.
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I've used them for some small projects. Seemed like every other out there. Pretty much the same as any other.

Use of them wasn't by choice as the customer had their stuff before and we were matching it up. Seemed reasonable quality.

At that time they made everything on site. That was years ago so they could be different now.
 
I've been trying to figure out who to get a building from too. I want a 40x60x14, at least. I'll let them do the whole thing...grading, prep work, concrete, assembly, and then I'll go in an wire it and build a few things inside. I also can't stand the thought of having a tube framed building that size.
 
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