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Mike, did you ever find out what NC DOT thinks of the air over hydro brakes? Some states treat air over hydro same as straight-up air brakes -- you have to have an endorsement. Other states don't.

I can tell you that you'll have to scale, unless you put a camper on it and title it as an RV. Then it depends on what state you're in. Some states make RVs scale, others don't.
 
well it very confusing per the NCDOT CDL manual it says on like page 4 under 26k you don't need a CDL for personal use "such as a recreational vehicle". Then later on it says if you have air brakes you need an endorsment to your CDL. There is no license provision for a NON-CDL w/ air brakes.

So im still researching it. Still thinking about the sleeper option so if i need to hang a sleeper on it and toss a can of sterno in the tool box i will... then ill switch it to an RV.

richard (thecarman) do you ever get hastled with your rollback and trailer ?


edit - Are yall tring to say I have a fat head ? I think the first try was probably closer. :) I wish adding stuff on will be this easy :)
 
yager said:
well it very confusing per the NCDOT CDL manual it says on like page 4 under 26k you don't need a CDL for personal use "such as a recreational vehicle". Then later on it says if you have air brakes you need an endorsment to your CDL. There is no license provision for a NON-CDL w/ air brakes.
So im still researching it. Still thinking about the sleeper option so if i need to hang a sleeper on it and toss a can of sterno in the tool box i will... then ill switch it to an RV.
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under 26k you do not need a CDL unless it can carry more than "x" number of people... that truck should be the same as renting a box van from penske, ryder, etc... i used to drive them all the time for work (before i moved to a management position) and have rented several over the past 2 years without ever being asked for CDL credentials... they just made a copy of my class c liscense and let me go on my happy way... now if you had gone the school bus route i believe you need CDLs since they are capable of carrying more than "x" amount of people.. hope this helps
 
yager said:
richard (thecarman) do you ever get hastled with your rollback and trailer ?
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I have never had a problem, but my rollback is just a 1-ton Chevy with hydraulic brakes, and I don't *think* I've ever been over 20k GCVW, so not close to 26k.

Do any of the big motorhomes have air brakes or air assisted? Are any of them over 26k? Do they need endorsements? Maybe your truck can be classified as an RV if you have a sleeper on it? :)

By the way Mike - let me know when it is time to get this truck inspected. My friend that was having trouble getting his Chevy 6500 inspected found out that he could do the inspection himself! Isn't that weird? Was able to go to downtown Raleigh and buy his own Federal inspection sticker, and says he needs no other inspection. I can get more details if needed.
 
That's the thing -- straight-up air brakes do require a CDL, even if it's only a Class "C" license. You have to have the endorsement for the brakes, which means CDL.

Look for an exception for air over hydraulic. For example, if you have to have air brakes for the CDL exam, and if air over hydraulic means you don't get the endorsement. That should mean that the state treats air over hydraulic separately from air brake systems, and you don't need the endorsement. Per the FMCSA regs, the state can go either way on whether or not air over hydraulic is considered an air brake system.

Most of those trucks around 26-33k usually run electric brakes, so they can be tagged either way. We used to have a couple of Internationals and Fords like that. Same truck, but some were tagged at 33k, some were tagged at 26k so the non-CDL guys could drive them (that, and they're cheaper, too).
 
Thanks richard - Ill keep ya posted.

There are federal exclusion for anyone specifically driveing a rental truck under 26k NOT requireing them to need any special license in any state.

shawn - From what i read, the FMCSA states air over is considered air. BUT if you read the 'do you need a CDL' criteria it doesnt even consider you UNTILL your over 26k.

In searching I found a NY DMV doc (found online) that says
"Note: a Non-CDL C license is not subject to Air Brake restrictions. You do not have to pass the Air Brakes written test, even if the non-CDL C vehicle you drive has air brakes"

Im ok with another class I refuse to get a CDL. Im not over 26k and NOT running a businees (period) Ill take an air brake test and all that (test is very simple )

bucket in the storage box along with the sterno and call it an RV.. Still researching...

oh ya - most of you pulling 2 rigs on a trailer should have a higher license class :)
 
Sorry this is taking up space: From the NCDMV site

http://www.ncdot.org/DMV/driver_ser...hapter1/typesLicenses.html#Commercial License

Types of Regular Licences-------------
If you are 18 years of age or older you may apply for an original North Carolina driver license. Under North Carolina's classified license system most drivers need only a Class C license to operate personal automobiles and small trucks.

Class A: Required to operate any combination of vehicles exempt from commercial driver license (CDL) requirements with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is greater than 10,000 pounds. Also required for operating any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds, if the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds.
Class B: Required to operate any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more that is exempt from CDL requirements, and any such vehicle while towing another vehicle with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or less.
Class C: Required to operate any vehicle with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds that is exempt from CDL requirements and is not towing a vehicle with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds. Most drivers need only a Regular C license to operate personal automobiles and small trucks.



Types of comercial licenses (CDL)----------------------

A CDL is required for drivers, paid or volunteer, who drive the following types of vehicles that are designed or used to transport passengers or property.

Class A: Required to operate a vehicle that has a combined gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of at least 26,001 lbs and includes as part of the combination a towed unit that has a GVWR of at least 10,001 lbs.
Class B: Required to operate:
A single motor vehicle that has a GVWR of at least 26,001 lbs.
A combination of motor vehicles that includes as part of the combination a towing unit that has a GVWR of at least 26,001 lbs and a towed unit that has a GVWR of less than 10,001 lbs.

Class C: A single or combination of motor vehicles not included in Class A or B but meets any of the following descriptions:
is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver.
is transporting hazardous materials and is required to be placarded.
You do not need a CDL to drive recreational vehicles, military equipment, fire and/ or emergency equipment or certain farm vehicles. However, a classified license of the appropriate class is always required.
A special CDL endorsement is required to haul hazardous materials, transport passengers, pull double trailers or drive tank vehicles.

Im clearly exemt as an RV but i dont see how im specifcally 'included' anywhere else either..
 
And under the CDL section: No mention of air brakes at all until your IN the CDL section per this im not eligiable to even get a CDL. Im not sure my truck wouldnt even meet the min. requirements to take the(a) test...

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License Eligibility / Requirements

There are three classes of vehicles that require a North Carolina Commercial Driver's License (CDL):
Commercial Class A - Any combination of vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the GVWR of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Commercial Class B - Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, and any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Commercial Class C - Any vehicle not described in Class A or B above but is:

Designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or
Used in the transportation of hazardous materials that require the vehicle to be placarded under C.F.R., Part 172, Subpart F.
 
We had an f 600 at work just a few years older than the one you have Yag. I do believe it was air over hydraulic just like what you have. We were always told that we did not need a cdl to drive the truck. Used it for several years with all sorts of people driving it, and never had a problem.
And yes, you are correct about the two rigs on one trailer deal. If your trailer has a capacity over 10,000lbs, you need a class a regular license. Tons of trailers sold every day to people without the license to even hook to them:rolleyes:
 
ideas opinons ? Im not being a dick just need to understand this and have read everything over and over..

the NCCDL manual :
There is a federal requirement that each state have minimum standards for the
licensing of commercial drivers. This manual provides driver license testing
information for drivers who wish to have a commercial driver license (CDL). This
manual does NOT provide information on all the federal and state requirements
needed before you can drive a commercial motor vehicle (CMV). You may have
to contact your state driver licensing authority for additional information.
You must have a CDL to operate:
l A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of more than
26,000 pounds.
l A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds if the gross
combination weight rating is more than 26,000 pounds.
l A vehicle designed to transport more than 15 persons (including the
driver).
l Any size vehicle which requires hazardous materials placards.
(Your state may have additional definitions of CMVs.)
To get a CDL, you must pass knowledge and skill tests. This manual will help you
pass the tests.
 
good news :) no air brakes, per my FSM its a suped up hydro boost with some huge ass front calipers (dual 2.5" piston) and a neat dual piston type rear drums. The lines i thought were air lines were the hydroboost hard lines. The parking brake actually uses an additional hydro boost line to a seperate pull off cylinders on the drums to release the parking brake when the engine starts up and you release them. Anyway...
 
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