NC "Constitutional Conceal Carry" Bill

[Chris_M]

Ridiculous.

A black guy can go buy a gun just as easy as I can. Hell, anyone on the 'street' (of any race) can probably get a gun cheaper and easier than I can.

It's all about choices.

Really? Then why does a sheriff have to issue you a purchase permit? That law was designed to have a backdoor way to deny gun ownership, specifically guns easily concealed, from blacks. The sheriff can use whatever reason they make up to deny the permit.

Did you ever notice how people pushing gun bans come from heavily black/minority places. Hell until recently Durham residents had to register their guns. Gotta know where all the gangsters with guns are. Sure as hell didn't have to worry about that in the mostly white foothills or mountain areas of the state.

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[ManglerYJ]

It's all about the barrier to entry. The simple fact is that gun control laws were written and enacted in order to make it more difficult for blacks to purchase and keep firearms. Sometimes blacks were *specifically* prohibited from possessing firearms, or laws were modified to make clear that they didn't apply to whites. Even today, penalties for firearms law violations are disproportionately applied to minorities.

This shouldn't be news to anyone.

The Racist Roots of Gun Control

http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1142&context=srhonorsprog

Shaneen Allen, race and gun control

Meanwhile, Condi Rice reminds us what it's all about:

The Gun Zone RKBA -- Condoleezza Rice

While I didn't read all of your links, the Shaneen Allen one sticks out because while she was a CCW holder in PA, NJ does not honor their CCW - so by carrying concealed into their state, she was in violation and should have known that from her class, regardless of race, color, gender, gender identity or favorite ice cream flavor preference. 60 years ago, the "roots" of the laws may have been based on racist control beliefs, but I don't agree that they are still established to unfairly keep blacks from purchasing guns legally.

 

[benXJ]

Not really that interested in this topic but I had to reply to this one statement. If there was a true local militia revolt, a true one with actual violence or a real threat of violence, more than likely a team of highly trained personnel would be dispatched to eliminate the threat immediately. I say true local militia revolt so that it is not confused with the media circus that happened a few months ago with the Buddy Ranch people. The technology the government possesses today is so far advanced from what was available during the two wars you mentioned that no local group of militia would stand a chance. Not to mention the fact that if need be, drones could be utilized and just lay waste to the militia threat as though it never existed. I just think that when people make statements about needing guns in case they need to form a militia to overthrow a tyrannical government, they havent really thought the whole plan out far enough.

True.

But, you are assuming that the ENTIRE military would be willing to turn on its brothers/sisters/families.

If something REALLY happened that caused a legit large uprising from the general public, that was willing to die for its cause, then the gov't would have to dispatch people that were willing to kill and destroy people and places they know.

 

[benXJ]

Really? Then why does a sheriff have to issue you a purchase permit? That law was designed to have a backdoor way to deny gun ownership, specifically guns easily concealed, from blacks. The sheriff can use whatever reason they make up to deny the permit.

Did you ever notice how people pushing gun bans come from heavily black/minority places. Hell until recently Durham residents had to register their guns. Gotta know where all the gangsters with guns are. Sure as hell didn't have to worry about that in the mostly white foothills or mountain areas of the state.

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"They" issue purchase permits because the gov't has over stepped its bounds and the sheeple went along with it.

Well yea...they look to who commits most of the gun crimes.

Again, all about choices.

 

[Ron]

Not really that interested in this topic but I had to reply to this one statement. If there was a true local militia revolt, a true one with actual violence or a real threat of violence, more than likely a team of highly trained personnel would be dispatched to eliminate the threat immediately. I say true local militia revolt so that it is not confused with the media circus that happened a few months ago with the Buddy Ranch people. The technology the government possesses today is so far advanced from what was available during the two wars you mentioned that no local group of militia would stand a chance. Not to mention the fact that if need be, drones could be utilized and just lay waste to the militia threat as though it never existed. I just think that when people make statements about needing guns in case they need to form a militia to overthrow a tyrannical government, they havent really thought the whole plan out far enough.

I think you forget who would have to carry out those orders, or control that drone etc.
Dont get me wrong, Bubba and Cletus aint taking down the United States Joint Armed Forces...but. Could a force of 300 active duty (or recently delisted) soldiers hold a section at bay. Id say so.

 

[jankoid]

Not really that interested in this topic but I had to reply to this one statement. If there was a true local militia revolt, a true one with actual violence or a real threat of violence, more than likely a team of highly trained personnel would be dispatched to eliminate the threat immediately. I say true local militia revolt so that it is not confused with the media circus that happened a few months ago with the Buddy Ranch people. The technology the government possesses today is so far advanced from what was available during the two wars you mentioned that no local group of militia would stand a chance. Not to mention the fact that if need be, drones could be utilized and just lay waste to the militia threat as though it never existed. I just think that when people make statements about needing guns in case they need to form a militia to overthrow a tyrannical government, they havent really thought the whole plan out far enough.

You just described a terrorist group, I'm talking about a Civil War level conflict.

 

[Chris_M]

"They" issue purchase permits because the gov't has over stepped its bounds and the sheeple went along with it.

Well yea...they look to who commits most of the gun crimes.

Again, all about choices.

members of this forum have openly admitted to felony gun crimes as relates to concealed carry, nobody is looking to lock them up.

Redneck teenage boy forgets and leave hunting rifle in his pickup, we want to give him a pass. Young black kid has a fake gun at a park, he gets killed by cops.

I think a lot of the race issues that Rev Jackson and his friends trump up are BS. But nc hand gun laws are racist as fuck.

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[benXJ]

members of this forum have openly admitted to felony gun crimes as relates to concealed carry, nobody is looking to lock them up.

Redneck teenage boy forgets and leave hunting rifle in his pickup, we want to give him a pass. Young black kid has a fake gun at a park, he gets killed by cops.

I think a lot of the race issues that Rev Jackson and his friends trump up are BS. But nc hand gun laws are racist as fuck.

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The law isn't racist. And gain, it's just for handguns. ANYONE can buy an AK47 and make a mess of everything.

the cop that shot that kid is. Or just an idiot all around. Probably both.

 

[ManglerYJ]

Young black kid has a fake gun which he materially modified to appear real at a park, he gets killed by cops when he does not comply with their demands when they roll up in a police car like any person with some sense would do.



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Fixed it for ya. I'm pissed as hell about that case. If my son, who I love VERY dearly - were playing with a gun that he modified to look real, waving it at people and then didn't immediately put it down the second he saw a police car roll up, I'd have expected the EXACT SAME OUTCOME and more so I'd have expected to receive an invoice for the bullets used. Instead, his family got a multi million dollar settlement before the trial even ended.

 

[jeepinmatt]

Not really that interested in this topic but I had to reply to this one statement. If there was a true local militia revolt, a true one with actual violence or a real threat of violence, more than likely a team of highly trained personnel would be dispatched to eliminate the threat immediately. I say true local militia revolt so that it is not confused with the media circus that happened a few months ago with the Buddy Ranch people. The technology the government possesses today is so far advanced from what was available during the two wars you mentioned that no local group of militia would stand a chance. Not to mention the fact that if need be, drones could be utilized and just lay waste to the militia threat as though it never existed. I just think that when people make statements about needing guns in case they need to form a militia to overthrow a tyrannical government, they havent really thought the whole plan out far enough.

I think that BECAUSE of the level of technological sophistication, they would struggle GREATLY in a ground war, especially when the enemy knows the fighting ground. What's our actual success rate in Pakghanistan right now?

 

[jeepinmatt]

members of this forum have openly admitted to felony gun crimes as relates to concealed carry, nobody is looking to lock them up.

Redneck teenage boy forgets and leave hunting rifle in his pickup, we want to give him a pass. Young black kid has a fake gun at a park, he gets killed by cops.

I think a lot of the race issues that Rev Jackson and his friends trump up are BS. But nc hand gun laws are racist as fuck.

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Ignoring the obvious differences in the two situations, the law is the same regardless of who does the crime. The judicial discretion is different, and those are probably not the best cases to compare. But, that's why we have several different levels of charges and punishments for killing someone (voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, 1st and 2nd degree murder, etc).

 

[UncleWillie]

I agree with everything except that last little bit there about voting. You should have ID on you almost all of the time. you have to show ID to do so many things on a daily basis, one as important as voting should in fact have to prove identity.

In fact I think only tax payers should get to vote. If you live off the gubment and don't contribute then why should you have a say.

So you are saying that since I was injured in 2000, through no fault of my own, and now have a screwed up back, hip, ankle, and shoulder and I had to go on disability means I should not be able to vote?

 

[benXJ]

maybe.

YOu don't work at all? No office job? stock trade? anything to make money and pay taxes?

 

[shawn]

A black guy can go buy a gun just as easy as I can. Hell, anyone on the 'street' (of any race) can probably get a gun cheaper and easier than I can.

I like how you insinuated that a black guy would just buy a gun illegally.

While I didn't read all of your links,

In other words, "I didn't read the things you posted that showed how white people routinely avoid prosecution for the same things that black people are tried and jailed for doing, but I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't really understand why you keep insisting that justice often isn't color blind."

 

[benXJ]

I like how you insinuated that a black guy would just buy a gun illegally.



In other words, "I didn't read the things you posted that showed how white people routinely avoid prosecution for the same things that black people are tried and jailed for doing, but I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't really understand why you keep insisting that justice often isn't color blind."

I explicitly said "of any race"

And you got 'black' from that how?

 

[jeepinmatt]

I explicitly said "of any race"

And you got 'black' from that how?

He's been hanging out with @Paul too much and gets his feelings hurt too easy.

 

[Ron]

I like how you insinuated that a black guy would just buy a gun illegally.



In other words, "I didn't read the things you posted that showed how white people routinely avoid prosecution for the same things that black people are tried and jailed for doing, but I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't really understand why you keep insisting that justice often isn't color blind."

You can substitute black for poor and white for affluent and your argument is just as valid.

At some point though statistics start to play a role.

 

[UncleWillie]

maybe.

YOu don't work at all? No office job? stock trade? anything to make money and pay taxes?

I live solely on my disability. Since I live with 3 herniated discs (among other back problems), a permanently dislocated shoulder and other problems I cannot work.Since I already paid taxes on all my earnings that they based my disability off of I am exempt from paying taxes. You just spouted off about something that you only have a limited knowledge of. Educate yourself before you start making such statements.

 

[benXJ]

Yo. Easy. Just asked.

 

[Riddle]

 

[Rogue]

True.

But, you are assuming that the ENTIRE military would be willing to turn on its brothers/sisters/families.

If something REALLY happened that caused a legit large uprising from the general public, that was willing to die for its cause, then the gov't would have to dispatch people that were willing to kill and destroy people and places they know.

The problem everyone misses is that ANY uprising would never get off the ground. Ask any group that has collected guns and ammo and talked about the government. They will be deemed a hazard, infiltrated, and taken out before any uprising could take place. Guns or no guns...

 

[ManglerYJ]

So you are saying that since I was injured in 2000, through no fault of my own, and now have a screwed up back, hip, ankle, and shoulder and I had to go on disability means I should not be able to vote?

The literary definition of tax payer does imply that you "pay taxes", but the actual IRS definition indicates that you are "subject to" taxation. "Subject to" then means that you fill out your tax forms and are subject to pay (or get a refund) of taxes paid deducting any credits you may receive from tax shelters, exemptions, donations, etc.

 

[ManglerYJ]

I like how you insinuated that a black guy would just buy a gun illegally.



In other words, "I didn't read the things you posted that showed how white people routinely avoid prosecution for the same things that black people are tried and jailed for doing, but I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't really understand why you keep insisting that justice often isn't color blind."

OK... so now I have had a chance to read all of them. Nice historical pieces that do depict - as you said and I agreed with - that laws enacted from the 1600's through the 1960's were racially driven to keep blacks from owning guns. My point is that they are NO LONGER APPLICABLE. Most of the currently applicable law comes from two main acts, the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owner's Protection act from 1986.

It prohibits firearms purchases to the following groups:

• Anyone who has been convicted in any court of a felony punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, excluding those crimes punishable by imprisonment related to the regulation of business practices, whose full civil rights have not been restored by the State in which the firearms disability was first imposed.[14][15]

• Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.

• Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substances.

• Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

• Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa. The exception is if the nonimmigrant is in possession of a valid hunting license issued by a US state and/or has been granted a waiver from the Attorney General.

• Anyone who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.

• Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship.

• Anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner. (Added in 1996, with the Lautenberg Amendment.)

• Anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. (Added in 1996, with the Lautenberg Amendment)[16]

• A person who is under indictment or information for a crime (misdemeanor) punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding two years cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information, and if cleared or acquitted can receive firearms without restriction.

Not a single one of them overtly or covertly is racist, sexist, prejudiced or biased. They weren't chosen simply because one ethnic group happens to have higher percentages in them then others. They were chosen because they are common sense laws that should govern who can legally own a gun in this country.

 

[Paul]

He's been hanging out with @Paul too much and gets his feelings hurt too easy.

How the hell did i get drug into this shit storm? Thanks @jeepinmatt. Jerkoff.
My opinion on this issue is simple. Concealed means concealed. The 2nd A pretty much covers that.
To deny that racial inequality does not exist is foolish stupidy on anyones part.
Flamesuit is on.

 

[Chuckman]

why does everyone always think that handguns are either bought at stores with permits or stolen? Never consider borrowed, inherited, or purchased from a friend or openly through any other legal means? I'd venture to say that most of the weapons owned by members of this forum were not from retailers as first purchasers.

Secondly a judge is "supposed" to consider all facets of a crime. Said white boy forgets his rabbit gun in the truck and rolls up in school- ok no harm intended. Black boy wields a toy intended to scare intimidate - and sure that's a big difference. Again folks guns are merely inanimate objects. The man holding it chooses its fate. Plain and simple. Don't know why that is so difficult. Everybody is trying to make this about a piece of metal and not about hate/ meannes/ idiocracy/
Stupidity/ etc.


And remember, there are nice white/black / yellow/ brown people. And there are shitty white/black/yellow/ brown people. Please don't lump whites as nice and blacks as bad. It's simply not that easy.

now that being said ,considering geographic location and those nice to shitty ratios can be screwed dramatically. Lot of shitty white folk in potter town. Lot of shitty black folk in south charlotte. That's just fact. Not racism just fact. If you look at what exactly folks are arrested for you'll see that. Rape, attempted murder, house invasion, domestic abuse = you are shitty.

This statement approved by my nice white black yellow and brown friends.