NC "Constitutional Conceal Carry" Bill

benXJ said:
If it was about 'education', then why not a class/fee when applying for a $5 handgun permit? Why would you need education on how to 'carry'? Shooting the gun is what kills people, not carrying it. Why does it matter if the gun is in my pocket or on my hip? You don't need a class to buy a long gun, that will do 10 times more damage, and quicker.

NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE.

Do we really allow these idiots that we elect to barge into every single move we make? How did it come to this?
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You have a total different set of rules when carrying concealed...... 80-90% cover when you can and cant and the what if's so you dont rot in jail because you didnt know when you can and cant pull the trigger and carrying concealed makes you a bigger target.
 
That makes no sense. Why are there different rules? Why were those rules imposed? How does the government have enough time and resources to even discuss the issue?

A gun is not dangerous while being carried. In a pocket, a glovebox, or a purse.

Again, it just pisses me off that any of this exists. You don't have to take a course to buy a handgun and shoot up the place, so why on God's green earth are we so backwards that there are rules for carrying the thing?

I have my conceal carry, and have jumped through all the hoops.
 
snappy said:
carrying concealed makes you a bigger target.
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I've heard this many times before and while there is probably some statistics somewhere to back it up, I just don't believe it. As in my mother-in-law's case, the fact that she is an old fat woman with a prosthetic leg makes her a target. What's in her purse that every child in the family knows not to mess with is what makes her less likely to be a statistic.
 
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Because people are afraid of what they don't know. And if you open carry they know what you've got.

It's not about being safe, it's about feeling safe.

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I'm walking down the street.

I may or may not have a conceal carry license.

I may or may not have a gun in my pocket.

How would anyone know? How is that more 'dangerous' than having it on my hip or a shotgun over my shoulder?

A conceal carry license makes no one less safe or more safe.
 
ManglerYJ said:
I've heard this many times before and while there is probably some statistics somewhere to back it up, I just don't believe it. As in my mother-in-law's case, the fact that she is an old fat woman with a prosthetic leg makes her a target. What's in her purse that every child in the family knows not to mess with is what makes her less likely to be a statistic.
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The issues come to play if you have to use your weapon. He was trained and knows the laws...... Thats what is meant by a bigger target more so for a civil suit. The target is after the fact if things go sideways, not until then.
 
snappy said:
The issues come to play if you have to use your weapon. He was trained and knows the laws...... Thats what is meant by a bigger target more so for a civil suit. The target is after the fact if things go sideways, not until then.
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It doesn't matter who fires the first shot, just as long as you are the one firing the last one. :)
 
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snappy said:
You are correct, but either way your life is over. In this sue happy world we live in you will be in law suits for years.
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Yep.
 
Paul said:
Yep.
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Not true. At least not in NC. Pay attention to part b.

G.S. 14-51.3

(a) A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that the conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.

(2) Under the circumstances permitted pursuant to G.S. 14-51.2.

(b) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force and is immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties. (2011-268, s. 1.)
 
snappy said:
You are correct, but either way your life is over. In this sue happy world we live in you will be in law suits for years.
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I hear ya.... it's a shame that the world has become so.
rockmafia said:
Not true. At least not in NC. Pay attention to part b.

G.S. 14-51.3

(a) A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that the conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.

(2) Under the circumstances permitted pursuant to G.S. 14-51.2.

(b) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force and is immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties. (2011-268, s. 1.)
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We do not need a "constitutional carry" law.
We just need to wipe 95% of existing gun laws off the books!
ANY type of law that "allows" or "gives" anything is not freedom, but regulation.
The protection or ones self, family, or possessions is not a freedom, but an "inalienable right".
God given, simply because we exist.

Matt
 
benXJ said:
But then no one could prove if it was concealed before the fact or not.
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As long as you plan to shoot every witness, yes.
 
I know we are dealing in hypotheticals....

But you think that people you just saved, by shooting someone that was going to kill everyone in the room, are going to tell the police that you had your gun concealed and you should be arrested and charged for not having the proper permits? I think not.
 
benXJ said:
I know we are dealing in hypotheticals....

But you think that people you just saved, by shooting someone that was going to kill everyone in the room, are going to tell the police that you had your gun concealed and you should be arrested and charged for not having the proper permits? I think not.
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I guess you're not from California.

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benXJ said:
I know we are dealing in hypotheticals....

But you think that people you just saved, by shooting someone that was going to kill everyone in the room, are going to tell the police that you had your gun concealed and you should be arrested and charged for not having the proper permits? I think not.
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That's where I think that I'm so upset at the justice system for putting such tight restraints on Concealed Carry. The concealed or open part of it is ridiculous. The part that should matter is using a gun while committing a crime (open or concealed) should have a very strict penalty and should be taken seriously by the legal system, not just plea bargained away.

I know that if it were my kids' school under a gunman's fire and there were a Concealed Carry citizen on site with his weapon "illegally" on site who was willing to take out that gunman - I'd want him to do so and not have to think twice, but with the current law, he would be facing the same criminal charges and potentially lose his every right to gun ownership as a result. This is not right. To me, using a gun to stop a crime shouldn't be a crime no matter where it happens. Unfortunately, I don't write the laws, I only follow them.
 
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ManglerYJ said:
That's where I think there I'm so upset at the justice system for putting such tight restraints on Concealed Carry. The concealed or open part of it is ridiculous. The part that should matter is using a gun while committing a crime (open or concealed) should have a very strict penalty and should be taken seriously by the legal system, not just plea bargained away.

I know that if it were my kids' school under a gunman's fire and there were a Concealed Carry citizen on site with his weapon "illegally" on site who was willing to take out that gunman - I'd want him to do so and not have to think twice, but with the current law, he would be facing the same criminal charges and potentially lose his every right to gun ownership as a result. This is not right. To me, using a gun to stop a crime shouldn't be a crime no matter where it happens. Unfortunately, I don't write the laws, I only follow them.
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This is why I basically carry everywhere, no matter if its "allowed" or not. Short of metal detectors and pat downs i'm carrying.

If I need my gun to save someone especially family, i'll worry about the consequences after the fact.
 
benXJ said:
I know we are dealing in hypotheticals....

But you think that people you just saved, by shooting someone that was going to kill everyone in the room, are going to tell the police that you had your gun concealed and you should be arrested and charged for not having the proper permits? I think not.
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I love all the assumptions you make.
How do you know they were going to kill everyone in the room? How do you know you'll have any kind of personal connection w/ the other people? Maybe that other guy is anti-gun, or just is a really honest guy that pays attention to details and tells the story like it is?

There are many situations would could potentially lead to you using a firearm.
 
No assumptions, just a hypothetical situation

I'm in a bank, handgun in my pocket or under my shirt (not a conceal carry permit holder), bank robber storms in with a machine gun and fires in the air. We all hit the deck.

Gunman doesn't focus on me, but is hostile to other customers and threatens to shoot them. I get a few shot off at him when I have a clear shot. Threat neutralized.


First of all, I was in a bank, and no one was paying attention to me enough to know where the gun I had was being carried.

Second, I'm in fear for my life, and didn't get a chance to talk it out with the crazed gunman.

Third, I may get questioned, but as long as that gun is registered to me, I'll be labeled a hero.

Ideally I don't get involved and lay on the floor until the police arrive....but wha tif he has a bomb? What if he wants hostages? What if he wants to get rid of the witnesses?

The point I'm making, and I'm sure you understand, is that anyone with a brain knows that the rules and laws regarding 'conceal carry' are backwards at best. The gun isn't harmful or scary when being carried properly, concealed or not. So why the extra scrutiny?
 
benXJ said:
No assumptions, just a hypothetical situation

I'm in a bank, handgun in my pocket or under my shirt (not a conceal carry permit holder), bank robber storms in with a machine gun and fires in the air. We all hit the deck.

Gunman doesn't focus on me, but is hostile to other customers and threatens to shoot them. I get a few shot off at him when I have a clear shot. Threat neutralized.


First of all, I was in a bank, and no one was paying attention to me enough to know where the gun I had was being carried.

Second, I'm in fear for my life, and didn't get a chance to talk it out with the crazed gunman.

Third, I may get questioned, but as long as that gun is registered to me, I'll be labeled a hero.
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Personally, I wouldn't care if you had just won the gun in an illegal poker game after snorting coke off a hooker's ass. But that's just me.
 
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