NC lift laws??? NEW?

for real, join the club:flipoff2:

as for the greenville police thing, i agree they're pretty strict... but really, what do you expect with the well deserved reputation of the college scene down there. gotta pay to play with anything in life...
 
This would not be the cops fualt by any means. Until the city officials sees the same things that you and maybe the rest of the city see it will continue. Might I suggest going to a city council meeting. Call your councilman and talk with him. But the cops only patrol what the officials (voted into place by the townspeople) deam important. Start complaining to those voted folks to change things. Just my two cents worth
 
BLUERUNNER said:
meanwhile there a numerous rapes, murders, shootings, roberies, and mugging in greenville every week(of course not near campus because every 10th car you pass is po).


greenville cops do a poor job of protecting everyone,


THEY AREN'T DOING THEIR JOB.
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sounds like they kinda are....ever consider all the nit-picky crap they put everyone through on campus serves as a deterrent to major crime?

BTW... I agree it does suck to be in your position, i promise you everyone on this board has been called out, fined, arrested, beaten up, or trash-talked over something "that wasn't all that bad". If I were in your shoes I'd be pretty upset too, but mainly because i would be leaving my lift on, and wondering everday if that was the day i was finally gonna get that ticket they've been promising me! haha
I say leave it on...hey, wheeling is expensive.:beer: :beer: :beer:
 
awspence said:
so how does a cherokee not fit this? are offroad packages with things such as skidplates not indications that the manufacturer constructed the vehicle with OCCASIONAL offroad use in mind?
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Yea, I can't see how ANY Jeep wouldn't fit this catagory, Well except the 2wd ones, well, and the liberty, and commander, and new grand, ok so most jeeps fit this catagory but He drives a 4 runner. It's built on a truck chasis. If I were him, I'd make the next cop that gives him grief about it show me the law and then point out that it is on a truck chasis and then tell him to go stuff sand up his a$$.
 
chuckwhut said:
sounds like they kinda are....ever consider all the nit-picky crap they put everyone through on campus serves as a deterrent to major crime?
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did you not read anything i wrote? how is anything you just said relevent?

how can i sit here and tell you that voilent crimes go on all the time , most of which with no one convicted, and you reply that their petty crime prevention has prevented "major crime"?

not every one lives on campus in greenville, cops all over the campus might help with students there, but not anywhere else. and even then, girls get raped physically(forcefull the word?) and otherwise in their own dorms every weekend.

BUT, parking violations, guys haveing a sixer haning out with friends just 8 days before his 21st bday(true story), kids smoking a joint and staring at their dorm room wall, even standing on the sidewalk downtown...well the gpd is all over that.
 
i do like the ideas of a proactive approach, i have already been in contact with some people in the area(that have a lot more power than i do) that are interested in a positive approach to the gpd problem. there is no need for citizes and students in this area to take this laying down any longer, the gpd power trip(for lack of a better phrase) has become rediculous.

you "pay to play" is one thing, but living somewhere that you have a feeling of control from the police, rather than protection and service, is not the way anyone should have to live.
 
Everett, i didn't mean to piss you off so bad. but i did read everything you posted, and i don't think my post was completely irrelevant, nor was it meant to serve as a solution to your problem. i have lived in several college towns and i know that cops in those towns do crack down on little BS charges alot around campus. i also know that, as even you stated, there are major crimes that occur in those same towns, just a little outside where the major concentration of LEO's are, and yes, as you stated, right on campus, right under their noses.

please don't read my post like i'm belittling you, i just wanted you to think about what YOU said....that most of those major crimes don't occur right there because every 10th car is a cop.

do you feel safe around campus? (from crime, not cops, haha!)

i also sympathized with your situation...so i don't see what you're so mad about, unless you just hate it when other people suggest a different side to a story you have already made up your mind on. don't be stubborn. and good luck with your war on the g-vegas PD. if you and your comrades have a solid and just case, i hope you win. seriously. that is what this country was founded on, and i believe it should carry on like that.

so like i said before....:beer: :beer: :beer:
later bud
 
Does any police officer in N.C. ride around with a book listing the factory specs for height for all of the vehicles on the road in N.C. ?? :confused:

If they don't how do they judge the size of the lift on the vehicle? If they don't have a reference to go by then what do they go by?

There are several different heights for vehicles in the same model; 2wd - 4wd - 4wd with an offroad package. This does not even take into account the different tire & wheel sizes for the same model vehicle.

What does the state base the 6" lift rule on?

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Lemme ask every one of you who is complaining one thing, and I don't want an answer here..

How many of you (or your parents) have sat down and composed a LETTER (not a damn e-mail) outling the specific situations in which you felt harassed, and sent it to someone of authority in Greenville?

Quitchyerbitchin here if ya haven't. :flipoff2:
 
So is there legal classification for off-road vehicles? If you claim to have one, can they then give you some other ticket for driving on the street? As long as you're inspected and street legal, are you clear then with a lift?
Just want to be sure...
 
Matt said:
It would be nice to have a difinitive answer as to whether or not § 20‑135.4 applies to lifted trucks or not.
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I am pretty sure that I have covered it the best that I know how under the current interpretation of the law as it is excercised in the courts. I know that what I am saying is not popular and there are many arguments to the contrary, but like it or not, the trucks that we are talking about here are included in the statute.

Keep in mind that a frame does not make a truck chasis. If that were the case a 1970 Nova would be classified as an exception due to its full length ladder frame.

I try real hard not to be a prick with a badge by the way.
 
To RICH......you get your answer here...Yes.. I personally have written the GPD a letter and so have hundreds of others along with the many lawsuits against them. My business law professor was an attorney in Greenville and has won several cases against the GPD for them being asses. I respect officers and what most are there to do but Greenville has the worst police force I have ever seen. They don't seem to care about many major crimes. I was pulled 4 times in a single week.....No tickets, no warnings, just continual harassment. All of the State Troopers around there that I met were very nice guys, very strict but nice, and agreed about the GPD and the ECU police.
 
Then I bet you're the only one on this board who has done so, and good for ya... If others follow suit, things can happen.

Or, vote with your wallet, and go elsewhere..

My basic point is, nothing changes just by complaining on a 4wd board. You're the exception, working within the system to make change..

I'm not defending them, by the way..
 
the college kids are the honeypot, the goldmine. think of how much they rake in in just court costs. past the railroad tracks, yeah, there is crime, there is an underclass, but there is no money for the state in that crime. prosecuting all of those crimes costs the state (at least in the short term. if they figured out how to solve that problem, it would be very good for local economy). prosecuting little BS violations against rich college kids means fines or lawyers are paid.
 
PoPo said:
I am pretty sure that I have covered it the best that I know how under the current interpretation of the law as it is excercised in the courts. I know that what I am saying is not popular and there are many arguments to the contrary, but like it or not, the trucks that we are talking about here are included in the statute.
Keep in mind that a frame does not make a truck chasis. If that were the case a 1970 Nova would be classified as an exception due to its full length ladder frame.
I try real hard not to be a prick with a badge by the way.
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Oh I wasn't really complaining. Heck, I don't have any plans for it to be higher than it currently is (4" including tires) - I was just curious. A lot of bouncing around by alot of people on the issue, didn't know if it could be pinned down.

Until that statute is refined, the police do have the flexibility of letting it slide or giving a ticket.

I know you're not trying to slap anyone with the badge. :D
 
Matt said:
Until that statute is refined, the police do have the flexibility of letting it slide or giving a ticket.
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Its always going to be a discretionary thing. I have never written it, and don't plan to unless the lift is a principle cause of injury to somebody. Well, I take that back. There was this one Chevy Caprice that was lifted up so high that the rocker panels would have come to waist level. It was dressed with some HUGE chrome rims and rubber band tires. If I had not been enroute to a call he would have gotten a ticket for that. But for trucks, I have never been inclined to write the ticket.
 
PoPo said:
Its always going to be a discretionary thing. I have never written it, and don't plan to unless the lift is a principle cause of injury to somebody. Well, I take that back. There was this one Chevy Caprice that was lifted up so high that the rocker panels would have come to waist level. It was dressed with some HUGE chrome rims and rubber band tires. If I had not been enroute to a call he would have gotten a ticket for that. But for trucks, I have never been inclined to write the ticket.
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off topic-just out of curiousity, is the lifted caprice more unsafe than a lifted truck? what is it that would have made you right that ticket in particular? and on that same token, what about lowered vehicles? just curious, no plans to slam my 4runner or lift my caprice! haha
 
chuckwhut said:
is the lifted caprice more unsafe than a lifted truck? what is it that would have made you right that ticket in particular?
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I'd have to wonder about the steering system on those things.
 
PoPo said:
I am pretty sure that I have covered it the best that I know how under the current interpretation of the law as it is excercised in the courts. I know that what I am saying is not popular and there are many arguments to the contrary, but like it or not, the trucks that we are talking about here are included in the statute.
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Basically what you're saying is that some local PDs have decided to try to use a law that was directed at hot rods/strip cars/lowriders/etc to create a defacto truck lift law. I know that you have previously stated, both on this board and on others, that the law doesn't apply to trucks. Period. The wording of the law is quite clear about that, and the explanation of the law in the NC LEO training manual I looked at specifically explained that the law did not apply to them.

I know you posted an example of older cars being on ladder frames, but that's not what the law states, either. It says on TRUCK chassis or for off-road use. Which a 1970 Nova is neither.

Greg, I don't mean to bust your balls about it.... and I don't pretend to know how it would turn out in court.... but *if* I were ever cited for it, I'd get an attorney and fight it, cost/benefit be damned. ;)
 
PoPo said:
Its always going to be a discretionary thing. I have never written it, and don't plan to unless the lift is a principle cause of injury to somebody. Well, I take that back. There was this one Chevy Caprice that was lifted up so high that the rocker panels would have come to waist level. It was dressed with some HUGE chrome rims and rubber band tires. If I had not been enroute to a call he would have gotten a ticket for that. But for trucks, I have never been inclined to write the ticket.
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I saw this happen the other night coming home from the bar. about 2:30 in the morning, local cop had a caprice on atleast 24"s pulled over, (the cop was having to look up into the window of the caprice:lol: )

as for the G-ville police, they have always been strict on college kids, but I've never been hassled about the jeep. just seatbelt/speeding tickets:(
 
I also see the flipside of not wanting rigs sitting up so high...

Windows slow down vehicles much less efficiently than door panels built to withstand impact. Seeing some full sized Super-Duty lifted 10" beside my car (or my wife's) can be quite humbling.

Imagine being in a brand-new Toyota Camry or other 4-door sedan, have some guy in a huge lifted truck run a stop sign and slam into the drivers side of the car. The front bumper could go through the car window, the level of the person's head, before ever hitting anything else to slow it down.


(of course all this is directed at sky high street queens...)
 
saf-t scissors said:
Basically what you're saying is that some local PDs have decided to try to use a law that was directed at hot rods/strip cars/lowriders/etc to create a defacto truck lift law.
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Uh no, not saying that at all. I have spoken to the DA's about this one cause I was curious about the wording of the statute. They assured me that it applied on its face to any on-road vehicle operated in the state. This has held true since I first heard about the law in 1995(ish).

saf-t scissors said:
I know that you have previously stated, both on this board and on others, that the law doesn't apply to trucks. Period. The wording of the law is quite clear about that, and the explanation of the law in the NC LEO training manual I looked at specifically explained that the law did not apply to them.
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Kind of confused about this. I have never stated that it does not apply...here or elsewhere. I have stated that I have never known anyone to enforce it other than a verbal warning. Not sure what training manual you are speaking of. It is not mentioned in my BLET book. We trained straight from Chapter 20 (Motor Vehicle Law).

saf-t scissors said:
I know you posted an example of older cars being on ladder frames, but that's not what the law states, either. It says on TRUCK chassis or for off-road use. Which a 1970 Nova is neither.
Greg, I don't mean to bust your balls about it.... and I don't pretend to know how it would turn out in court.... but *if* I were ever cited for it, I'd get an attorney and fight it, cost/benefit be damned. ;)
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I think there is some confusion about a "truck chassis". They are primarily speaking about expedition vehicles (not the Ford). I don't take it as busting balls, cause I did not write the law, nor am I a legal scholar. I am just forwarding what I have been told by those that will be prosecuting the case, and those that have been doing the job much longer than I.

Now, for why the Caprice bothered me so bad. There was no telling what kind of butchered parts went into that lift and that car was never designed for that type of suspension. I truly felt it to be unsafe. But there were more important things calling my name...or car number as it were.
 
Matt said:
I also see the flipside of not wanting rigs sitting up so high...

Windows slow down vehicles much less efficiently than door panels built to withstand impact. Seeing some full sized Super-Duty lifted 10" beside my car (or my wife's) can be quite humbling.

Imagine being in a brand-new Toyota Camry or other 4-door sedan, have some guy in a huge lifted truck run a stop sign and slam into the drivers side of the car. The front bumper could go through the car window, the level of the person's head, before ever hitting anything else to slow it down.


(of course all this is directed at sky high street queens...)
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And you have hit on the precise reason for that law to be in effect. Other states require bumper height to be so far off the ground. NC just wants the rig to match the bumper.
 
PoPo said:
Kind of confused about this. I have never stated that it does not apply...here or elsewhere.
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Actually, you're right. I went back and found the old threads, and it was another NC LEO, not you. I had you mistaken for somebody else. I'm sorry about that.

I have a little more that I want to say about this, maybe later I'll have time to put something together. I want to go find those references I was talking about and post links to everything. Useful as a reference, anyway.
 
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