NEED HELP SERIOUS DEATH WOBBLE

Hunter44

Hunter44

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I have death wobble from about 5mph-40mph and decal from 35mph-stop. I have a sas Toyota and have a single steering stabilizer on my tie rod. Galloways told me a track bar would about cure the problem. Any other solution ideas?
 
Yes, read Blkvoodoos, or the third post down from the top in this forum, and post some more info on exactly what parts, steering, lift, tires etc. you have.
 
I have 1995 Toyota pickup with a 83 axle trail gear hysteer kit 3" body lift 9" sky front springs with 6" drop hanger on new 44 tsl and 15x14 wheels. I had 38" nittos on there before and steering was super smooth.
 
I'm no expert, but I personally would not drive a Toyota truck, w Toyota axles and 44" TSL's on the street even if the front axle was rebuilt to brand new or better, you're asking for trouble and a crash. How wide are the TSLs? wide tires will steer themselves on patched roads or roads that aren't perfectly flat and you'll be fighting the wheel (or death wobbling ) no matter what you do to the steering on such a lightweight truck, and if you think your brakes are going to slow/stop them and the truck similar to say a 33" tire you're dreaming. If you stay under 25mph and have a rollcage you might be ok, not so sure about someone else if you hit them. Again I'm no expert, but a longtime Toyota driver.

I'm sure you will get more advice tomorrow from peeps who know more about HUGE tires on MINI trucks.
 
For what it's worth, I had tsl's on my jeep and got death wobble at 30mph, switched out to mtr's and it went away.
 
First. Check wheel Balance, Then, alignment. Then look for loose/worn components. You'll find it!
 
Changing tires does not fix your problem it just makes the weak link unnoticeable.

Check, tie rod ends , ball joints , trac bar ( most likely the problem being you don't have one and Toyota leafs arnt made for that kinda leverage being applied ) wheel bearings.

Something is wore out.


44s on a stock axles with stock steering is a terrible idea.
 
Say what you want, but... I had a set of 35" X-terrains on steel rims, all were bought new and rode fine on a leaf sprung jeep with no stabilizer. After a few wheeling trips, the rims were getting some noticeable damage to the outer lip, and I started getting a wobble at certain speeds. I changed TRE's, I already had new ball-joints, added a stabilizer, I think I even changed spring bushings and steering box mount. Nothing changed the wobble. Eventually, I sold the X-terrains and bought 38" TSL's and put them on the same rims. The wobble was worse, more new TRE's, added a dual stabilizer, and an additional steering box brace, no change. I pretty much ended up junking the jeep because it wasnt driveable any more.

Fast forward to my tacoma, I put new 34" LTB's on those same beat up rims that had been on my jeep. I could not get them to balance. We tried beads, stick on weights, old fashioned weights, nothing would balance them. A couple were pretty close, and they ended up on the front. I finally sold the rims and the tires, bought new steel rims and new KM2's. They balanced perfectly, and have had no wobble at all.

I know that death wobble and a tire out of balance aren't exactly the same, but when it is a large tire I think it may be very hard to tell the difference.
 
Cory said:
That's a warped wheel not balamce.
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When we put them on the spin balancer, we would spin them by hand a few times checking for visual clues to a warped wheel. It wasn't noticeable. Trying to spin it fast enough to balance was almost impossible.

My point is, if his truck rode smooth and had no problems before he switched tires and he is having the wobble after, the problem most likely is in the
tires. I know that anything is possible, but I think he should start there based on his own statements.
 
True death wobble occurs after a "bump", is most of the times violent and may cause you to shit your pants.

My Jeep does what the OP is describing. I need to balance my tires. I know if I continue to accelerate through the 45mph to 50mph zone I will be fine. That is not death wobble.
 
It prevents lateral movement, which in smaller truck is not always needed that run leaf springs.
The bigger the tire and lift the more leverage applyed allowing lateral movement

A panhard will stiffen the front end and prevent all but vertical movement

Key word being could solve your problem (most likely).
 
Hunter44 said:
My alignment was checked at galloways I DONT HAVE A TRACK BAR... could that solve my problem???
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Make sure I comprehend.

You have stock width, lifted toy leafs and no additional means preventing leaf flex ?
Correct?

If so then Yes. That could cause your problem.

The reason the problem showed up with the new tires is the increased rotational, un sprung mass increases the fulcrum force onto the leaves. At a certain point your leaves may be S shaping essentially.
 
strange1 said:
When we put them on the spin balancer, we would spin them by hand a few times checking for visual clues to a warped wheel. It wasn't noticeable. Trying to spin it fast enough to balance was almost impossible..
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What do you mean trying to spin it fast enough to balance was almost impossible?

What kinda machine we talking?
Just curious
 
Cory said:
What kinda machine we talking?
Just curious
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It's just a standard spin balancer. Put the wheel/tire on, wait for it to stop spinning, and the little digital display tells you how much weight and where to put it. When we tried to balance the LTB's, it would shake so violently that we had to shut it down before it tore something up.
 
heres some picks of the truck and steering. so if yall could say one solution possibly it would be needing a track bar???
 

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