Nelson Mandela: Terrorist

Wow a lot of ignorance in this thread.

Were the Jews who were opposing Hitler terrorists?
I mean I know we are mostly white folks here and its trendy to down play other races...but really anyone here up to speed on Apartheid?
I will suggest that if South Africa had any oil we had a hell of a lot more reason to go there than we did to Kuwait...but it just didnt fit our needs.

And this is from a die hard, ultra right wing conservative Republican voting, gun toting, red necked Southern American.
 
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^^^I'm not discrediting what he did do. He touched and helped a lot of people, and helped form the world we live in today. But what does seriously rub me the wrong way, is the US, not me, had him classified as a terrorist as little as 5 years ago. To me there are just mounds of hypocrisy there.
 
UTfball68 said:
^^^I'm not discrediting what he did do. He touched and helped a lot of people, and helped form the world we live in today. But what does seriously rub me the wrong way, is the US, not me, had him classified as a terrorist as little as 5 years ago. To me there are just mounds of hypocrisy there.
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Let me be real clear on one thing.
I do not think his death from natural causes warranted a half staff flag, actually I strongly oppose that distinction however I recognize that may be my bias for anything BHO does.
 
I checked into a motel in Charlotte Saturday night for the John Prine concert. I noticed the flags at half mast out front... I went out of my way to make a positive comment to the manager. She was probably in her late 20's, very articulate, very professional... Any way, I thanked her for remembering Pearl Harbor. She asked me what was that and what did it have to do with Nelson Mandela? I was really caught off guard, but tried to understand the words coming out of her mouth. I asked if she was a American, she replied yes, of course I am. Did you go to school here? Yes, UNCC. Have you ever heard of WW2? Oh yes, we talked about how they put American Japanese people in camps for no reason other than the fact that the government was racist and paranoid. I asked what do you think they were paranoid about? I don't know! I was a business major, not a history major! I asked for my American Express back from her. What's wrong sir, do you not want the room? I politely told her that my business was now history. We got big problems, folks... And they aint in South Africa.
 
nctom said:
I checked into a motel in Charlotte Saturday night for the John Prine concert. I noticed the flags at half mast out front... I went out of my way to make a positive comment to the manager. She was probably in her late 20's, very articulate, very professional... Any way, I thanked her for remembering Pearl Harbor. She asked me what was that and what did it have to do with Nelson Mandela? I was really caught off guard, but tried to understand the words coming out of her mouth. I asked if she was a American, she replied yes, of course I am. Did you go to school here? Yes, UNCC. Have you ever heard of WW2? Oh yes, we talked about how they put American Japanese people in camps for no reason other than the fact that the government was racist and paranoid. I asked what do you think they were paranoid about? I don't know! I was a business major, not a history major! I asked for my American Express back from her. What's wrong sir, do you not want the room? I politely told her that my business was now history. We got big problems, folks... And they aint in South Africa.
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Bravo!
 
Ron said:
Let me be real clear on one thing.
I do not think his death from natural causes warranted a half staff flag, actually I strongly oppose that distinction however I recognize that may be my bias for anything BHO does.
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I think you're justified...quite honestly, I don't think we'd be having this conversation if Mandela was white...because the flag wouldn't have been at half staff. I don't mean that as a racist comment, just that it was the PC thing to do to recognize an 'important' black man.
 
If you lived under say 300 yrs of oppression....guess what...you would be a terrorist too.....I would hope.
My wife is from SA, and Ive research a bit on the subject. If you think the Jim Crow laws were unjust....you should have lived in SA as a black person for a few yrs.....yeah, Ill bet you would change your tune pretty quickly.

Ever hear of the Sharpeville Massacre. All those unarmed folks of color.....shot in the back running away......

Also, during all the violence spoken about above.....Mandela was in jail....1964 -1990

As far as the flag.....it probably should not be at half mast, considering some of the other people..our allies, that passed on and ol dumbass obama didnt do squat.
Im done.
 
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I'd like to point out that America overcame apartheid (or our version of it) without a violent revolution.

The jews did not rise up against an established system but resisted a new system that was not just discriminating against them, it was exterminating the jews.

French Revolution, American Revolution, Cuban Revolution, South African Revolution. All led by terrorists.

The difference between being labeled a freedom fighter or terrorist is the victory or defeat. If Osama had secured a defeat of America he'd been the worlds most renowned freedom fighter.

Its not a race thing. George Washington was a terrorist. Guy Faux was a terrorist. Che Guavera was a terrorist. Castro was a terrorist.
 
Reid said:
Its not a race thing. George Washington was a terrorist. Guy Faux was a terrorist. Che Guavera was a terrorist. Castro was a terrorist.
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I didn't mean it was a race thing whether he was a terrorist or not. I meant if he was white...the US media and our current prez wouldn't have exhalted him the way they have.
 
Its not a race thing. George Washington was a terrorist. Guy Faux was a terrorist. Che Guavera was a terrorist. Castro was a terrorist.
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I'm not sure I'm following your definition of terrorist. A terrorist will indiscriminately target innocent civilians to accomplish their objectives. Thus, where the terror part comes in. Soldiers are by definition expected to be in harms way. Killing an enemy soldier while engaged in battle is not terrorism. An Al Quaida (I doubt I spelled that right) fighter killing our soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever is killing them in an act of war regardless of their means (IED, roadside bomb, suicide bomber, etc). It's when they target a civilian building or embassy that it becomes an act of terrorism. And yes, even a sneak attack like what happened at Pearl Harbor is NOT terrorism. It was an act of war. They targeted warships in an attempt to engage a perceived enemy.

The problem is that Al Quaida is not a "nation" per se but crosses the boundaries of various countries that may or may not officially support them. A lot of these countries use guerilla warfare as their prime tactic since they are under manned and under armored compared to the US. Guerilla tactics are nothing new. They have been around for centuries. They are all about using terrain and personnel skill to your best advantage to take out key targets in a surprise attack to put your enemy in a disadvantage through broken supply lines, communication or reinforcement. Often times, these tactics can be brutal. They say, "War is hell". Not "War is fluffy clouds and rainbows".
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After all... "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his." - George Patton.

I may not have studied out of the same American History textbook that you did - can you cite some examples of how Washington was a terrorist? I'll agree with you on Castro - I've read countless stories of his abusive tactics on his own people. He's a straight up prick.

And also, I don't know if I agree about the US overcoming our version of apartheid without violent revolution. Ever hear of the Watts riots?
 
ter·ror·ism awww.learnersdictionary.com_images_audio.gif/ˈterɚˌɪzəm/ noun

[noncount] : the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal
the bombing of the USS Cole, The bombing of the Marine barracks, the attack on the Embassy in Benghazi, the world trade center attack, roadside bombs.....
whether it is against soldier or citizen it is terrorism. The only think that makes it not terrorism is if you succeed.
 
nctom said:
I checked into a motel in Charlotte Saturday night for the John Prine concert. I noticed the flags at half mast out front... I went out of my way to make a positive comment to the manager. She was probably in her late 20's, very articulate, very professional... Any way, I thanked her for remembering Pearl Harbor. She asked me what was that and what did it have to do with Nelson Mandela? I was really caught off guard, but tried to understand the words coming out of her mouth. I asked if she was a American, she replied yes, of course I am. Did you go to school here? Yes, UNCC. Have you ever heard of WW2? Oh yes, we talked about how they put American Japanese people in camps for no reason other than the fact that the government was racist and paranoid. I asked what do you think they were paranoid about? I don't know! I was a business major, not a history major! I asked for my American Express back from her. What's wrong sir, do you not want the room? I politely told her that my business was now history. We got big problems, folks... And they aint in South Africa.
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Ok I'm 28 and its scares there are American's my generation that don't remember Pearl Harbor, to me its on the same level of 9-11, too many good American's lost their lives that day . . .

-Grant
 
Disjaukifa said:
Ok I'm 28 and its scares there are American's my generation that don't remember Pearl Harbor, to me its on the same level of 9-11, too many good American's lost their lives that day . . .

-Grant
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What should really scare you is that obama was elected president then after doing NOTHING in his first term, got re-elected.
 
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Inspired by Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement in the Cuban Revolution, in 1961 Mandela co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation", abbreviated MK) with Sisulu and the communist Joe Slovo. Becoming chairman of the militant group, he gained ideas from illegal literature on guerilla warfare by Mao and Che Guevara. Officially separate from the ANC, in later years MK became the group's armed wing.[103] Most early MK members were white communists; after hiding in communist Wolfie Kodesh's flat in Berea, Mandela moved to the communist-owned Liliesleaf Farm in Rivonia, there joined by Raymond Mhlaba, Slovo and Bernstein, who put together the MK constitution.[104] Although Mandela himself denied ever being a Communist Party member, historical research has suggested that he might have been for a short period, starting from the late 1950s or early 1960s.[105] After his death, the Communist Party and the ANC confirmed that he was a Communist Party member when he was arrested in 1962.[106][107]
Operating through a cell structure, the MK agreed to acts of sabotage to exert maximum pressure on the government.



There are alot of names in the paragraph above that I would in no way compare to our founding fathers. If you think George Washington compares with Che Guevara you need to remove your head from your fourth point of contact! The only groups I know that operate in cells are classified as Terrorists.
 
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