New bypass at Kodak

lomodyj said:
The bypass at Guardrail is almost as bad as the obstical now...
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I'd MUCH rather run up guardrail than take the "bypass"...

shoot...I'd rather winch up guardrail than take the bypass if it came down to it...

coming down is a different story, though...


the current (at least before this weekend) bypass at Kodak has gotten a little rough...since Kodak is probably the single busiest gathering spot, I'm glad to see an alternate path...I'd also like to see a little work done on the bypass that was already there...

Greg
 
bigwaylon said:
I'd MUCH rather run up guardrail than take the "bypass"...
shoot...I'd rather winch up guardrail than take the bypass if it came down to it...
Greg
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When we were at Dixie Run this year, we got to Guard Rail and I watched a group ahead of us work on it forever...Decided I would do the bypass...again...Then watched the last 3 in that group have to winch on the bypass....Figured...If I'm gonna have to winch. It's gonna be on the obstical...
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durnzuki said:
I say just be glad you have a trail. Where i live the idiots were tearing the trails up needlessly o they shut them down for everythign EXCEPT 4 wheelers
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Way to contradict yourself... You realize that people making their own trails and bypasses is tearing the trails up and is what gets things closed. Look at slickrock now because of only a bypass...
 
Most people don't know that, and think it's a bypass so I worded it so.
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okay, i retract my previous comments then. my whole issue was that there is already a bypass in place there. the way the original post was worded, it sounded like a second even easier bypass had been created.

i think a single bypass as long as it's on the existing trail around a harder obstacle is fine if it aids in 2 way traffic flow and getting broken rigs out. i DON'T think they should be created off the existing trail or created simply so that people who don't want body damage or who aren't built enough can get by.
A bypass my take a small part of the natural layout away, but it keeps it from being destroyed if it's not a planned project.
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what kind of logic is that? lets just go ahead and "legally" detroy a section of natural land before other people do? how about lets come down on the asshats that go off the trail instead.
A lot of land closures happen because of people going off the trail and abusing it.
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exaclty... so why don't we fight this rather than giving in to them? land closures also occur when there is excessive erosion, etc. in places. even the legal bypasses add to this.
Rufus, dude, need to rethink your comments. A check up from the neck up, because you have some stinkin' thinkin'
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no, i don't. if you're of the opinion my comments/thoughts are wrong just because you don't agree with them, you're the one that needs a head check. i can at least respect and can see your point of view here even though i don't agree with it.
 
Last time we were there there was 3-4 trucks parked on the bypass to the left. so it reall was not a bypass.

Oh and why to people try like 14 times to try to get up an obstical whille the rest of us just have to sit there and wait for ever. so a bypass is a good thing if it is used.
 
I was there on Friday and can say I really like the bypass system for every "major" obstacle that it can be done without creating more problems than it solves.

I personally LOVE taking stockers to URE to let them try out their rigs...and we usually have a mix of both, and the bypass allows them to still "hang out" with the big dawgs and get addicted to the sport when they park at the top of Kodak area, walk down with cameras, lunch in hand to watch the crazy guys try the insane lines.

I have done a "stockers" run for 5 years now, the Friday after Thanksgiving. This year we had two rigs that were stock or near it...and 3 BUILT rigs.

In this case the stockers rode with us all day...and we used the bypass for 1-2 of them. (In this case they had been here before, or in Jasons case was slumming in a $200 zuk and left Clifford at home)

Jason had more fun in the stocker than his big YJ, and we had a blast.

I will tell you there are quite a few on this board right now, with "built" rigs, that started on one of my stocker runs, got into the sport and are part of the 4x4 community now.

I will agree with Rufus, lets not "forge" new trails illegally and hopefully not at all, but sometimes...for a bypass, I would even say that will be ok with the forest rangers approval.

Sam
 
man it's good to hear that Jason/Clifford is still around.Haven't seen him since the labor day run at Callalentee last year.If you see him,tell him Jimmy(with the willys Nellie Belle) said wassup.
 
The LEGAL bypasses are put into place to keep ATV's and other offenders from carving their own ILLEGAL bypasses.
This guardrail was put right alongside the destroyed splitrail. No "new" bypass was made as Mark already said.
The alternative is to doze the whole hill smooth at Kodak Rock and other "high challenge" areas every year. Even at that, there is still the congestion at the bottom of the hill and offenders will willingly take an illegal route to get around the parked rigs.
Rufus, you are welcome and invited to attend some workdays and/or meetings to voice your opinion to the workday leaders and the Forest Service personnel.
The 2007 Uwharrie Work Weekend schedule will be posted here soon.
Richard Queen
SFWDA Uwharrie NF Delegate
 
The last few times I was at UNF I took part in saving 2 rigs from rolling on the bypass to the left. I have also seen a suburban flop at the same spot. That so called bypass to the left has become pretty hairy in one spot. I along with the majority of our club, MROCNC, took part in the trail cleanup when the guard rails were installed. That was a very rewarding day. It was nice to see all of the people come together to support our righteous sport. Our club has many stock vehicles in it. We take them on every trail at UNF. There have been times when some of the rookie drivers decided not to go with us when we ran the harder trails. With the legal bypass, I am sure that they will enjoy the trails at UNF even more now. All I can say is that we are finally seeing the rangers support our sport.
 
Rufus, you are welcome and invited to attend some workdays
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thanks, i have in years past. unfortunately 2007 will be out for me. due to a recent motorcycle accident, i won't be able to walk for about a year, if then. needless to say i wouldn't be much help:lol:
No "new" bypass was made as Mark already said
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again, that's where my confusion was. i agree the existing bypass is needed, as long as people can be kept from using it like a parking lot.
get addicted to the sport when they park at the top of Kodak area, walk down with cameras, lunch in hand to watch the crazy guys try the insane lines.
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unfortunately, that's alot of the traffic problem up there in my experience. too many onlookers parking on the bypass to hang out and watch. out of the way parking is very limited.
The LEGAL bypasses are put into place to keep ATV's and other offenders from carving their own ILLEGAL bypasses.
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as i responded to upnover's similar comment, i can't say i understand this thought process. i understand enforcement and man power to fight against such things is limited, but i don't think that makes it acceptable to just give in. again, i agree bypasses have their place in the trail system for other reasons but not for that.

furthermore, i don't see how giving them bypass really solves the problem. they'll just continue to fly off in to the woods at other places as it suits them.

also, what message is this sending to those people? hey, if we ride off the trail in one spot enough it'll eventually be made legal?
 
RufusTheRam said:
i don't see how giving them bypass really solves the problem. they'll just continue to fly off in to the woods at other places as it suits them.
also, what message is this sending to those people? hey, if we ride off the trail in one spot enough it'll eventually be made legal?
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One point I have made at the meetings is that by giving a legal bypass then the excuse "I didn't know" doesn't fly. In the past some of the tickets given for being off the trail have been dismissed in court because of "I didn't know".
Also Rufus I think some of your points are valid.
 
I am surprised to hear that anyone who frequents URE thinks a bypass around the Kodak rock garden area is a bad idea. The guys on fourwheelers and dirtbikes have always had trouble getting around the vehicles lined up at the entrance to the rock garden area because it is so narrow. On more than one occasion I have seen a fourwheeler try to squeeze past a vehicle and almost tip over and collide with the vehicle. It happened again this past weekend. I drove past the entrance of the bypass during my first trip on RML, and did not see it. Perhaps a 'Bypass' sign is needed for folks new to URE.
 
Just read the last few posts here but here are my comments on a bypass for Kodak. I don't beleive any more of a bypass is needed I beleive clearing a larger area at the top of kodak for people to park and wait or watch and a bypass or level parking area at the bottom that would allow people to pass. The rock garden has 3 existing bypass now right? Its before and after the garden that needs addressing.

Course I'd be happy to have a no stopping policy through there so I can just :driver:
 
I am surprised to hear that anyone who frequents URE thinks a bypass around the Kodak rock garden area is a bad idea
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no one is opposing haveing a bypass there, even me. my issue was with it sounded like an additional bypass was created which isn't the case.
One point I have made at the meetings is that by giving a legal bypass then the excuse "I didn't know" doesn't fly
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good point. to make sure i understand, if a legal bypass is in place, it's easier to prosecute if people use an illegal bypass?
I think they should build a parking lot with picnic benches and everything right on RML.
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RufusTheRam said:
to make sure i understand, if a legal bypass is in place, it's easier to prosecute if people use an illegal bypass?
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Yes, no excuse "I couldn't make so I had to go off the trail."

Aggressive1 said:
The rock garden has 3 existing bypass now right? Its before and after the garden that needs addressing.
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The "new" bypass is before and after the rock garden.
 
I noticed the guardrail a few weeks ago... and yes its a sore sight to see guardrail in the woods.. BUT, I think it's a good idea.

Our group frequents UNF quite often and Kodak was always crowded with people (who probably shouldnt be up there) trying everything they can to get up it. The old "by-pass" to the left is just about as hard as climbing the rock now.. Erosion has really taken its tole up there...

With that being said, it would be nice if people who are watching would park at the top and not block the "new" by-pass. I have noticed it always seems to be blocked up w/ vehicles.

In anycase, if it keeps the trails open longer then im all for a "new bypass". ATVs and vehicles cutting around obsticles is what has caused Tellico to build bridges, etc.

As for the by-pass on Guardrail.. man that thing was rediculous the first weekend in November.. We didnt have to winch but had to do some tow strap pulling to keep from flopping over down the mountain.
 
I was at the Dixie Run in October. I didn't go up the guardrail bypass, but I did come down it. I am full width with 39.5 boggers. Had no issue. What's the difference when going up it?
 
I just returned from UNF and it looked like a 3-Ring Circus at Kodiak Rock and the tickets were free, boy was it crowded. We took the bypass because we did not want to spend all day trying to get to the rock. The bypass is sorely needed to help ease the traffic flow. Being a pansey ass has nothing to do with it.
Jim
 
upnover said:
I was at the Dixie Run in October. I didn't go up the guardrail bypass, but I did come down it. I am full width with 39.5 boggers. Had no issue. What's the difference when going up it?
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there you go... or, maybe it changed or we took a different line on the bypass...

Who knows.... all I know is next time im going to go up the face...

The whole reason we didnt try the face was b/c the winch was down and Woodkrawler was stuck in 3wd mode (lol). Well I tried it but didnt give it an honest effort...
 
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