New ccw laws passed in NC

Valid concerns.

I still think the good outweighs the bad.

Think about all the "normal" places you couldn't carry before: schools (drop my kids off each morning), restaurants (we like to eat dinner out), movies (they're too expensive but we do like to go for a treat), and all the places that charge for entry (fairs, rodeos, races, sporting events, etc).

I'm in more danger constantly removing my firearm and leaving it possible to be stolen than I am to have it removed from my person at a bar.
 
Here where I work at, The bill doesn’t apply, (Thank GOD) for many reasons.... lol All Federal Installations are still enforcing the "No Firearms allowed". It doesn’t matter if you have a CCW or not, is a Federal offence to carry a Firearm or a weapon ie knife etc etc inside a Federal Building.
 
What does this mean about NFL footballs games, NASCAR races, concerts, etc?

That prohibition against carrying in places that charged admission covered a LOT of stuff.
 
GotLime? said:
What does this mean about NFL footballs games, NASCAR races, concerts, etc?

That prohibition against carrying in places that charged admission covered a LOT of stuff.
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The way I understand it if the facility doesn't put up a "no gun" sign then you'll be allowed to carry there.

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Granny said:
OK guys, I may have missed something here... but to the best of my knowledge Pat hasn't signed it into law yet. Enlighten me?????

And... Paul & Brad need to knock off the BS... or... the elder members of this forum may have to straighten you out... again!!! :shaking:
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Dang Don! Are the fish not biten?

As far as I know it still has not been signed by the Governor. He can either sign it, in which case ite becomes law, not sign it in which case it becomes law after 30 days, or he can veto it. I doubt that he will veto.
 
Reid said:
Im head of security for a resturaunt that after 10 o clock turns into a high volume bar. The new law now allows people to carry into my bar. While im for removing restrictive gun laws im not sure how I feel about someone walking through my bar with a firearm on his side. Drinking or not. Ive been debating how to handle ybis issue at the door.
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It should be up to the individual establishment what their own rules are. I am extremely pro 2a and would have no issue with a bar only, or a restaurant that turns into a bar only, saying that firearms are not allowed after a certain time. There are already people that carry in restaurants that serve alcohol. The problem with the anti 2a people is that now there is too much individual responsibility. Nobody has dictated right and wrong to them so they are afraid. Me personally, I will not carry if I am going out to have a few beers but I am sure there are those that would. Freedom of choice is a very dangerous thing. It will definitely make things harder for you. Good luck.
 
levellinebrad said:
Dang Don! Are the fish not biten?

As far as I know it still has not been signed by the Governor. He can either sign it, in which case ite becomes law, not sign it in which case it becomes law after 30 days, or he can veto it. I doubt that he will veto.
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Hey Brad... I wish I could tell you I've been fishing. Everytime the lakes on the Yadkin get cleaned up of logs and debris we get another monsoon to trash them up again. I have had the boat in the water one time so far this year. Hopefully the fall weather will be better.

I did not understand that it could become law without his signature. I agree that he probably won't veto it... he may not get a second term if he does.
 
Granny said:
OK guys, I may have missed something here... but to the best of my knowledge Pat hasn't signed it into law yet. Enlighten me?????

And... Paul & Brad need to knock off the BS... or... the elder members of this forum may have to straighten you out... again!!! :shaking:
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I am beyond repair Don, you know that! LOL!
On a serious note, i grasp all the concerns about bar carry.
Let the bar owners put up that sign that sez
"No firearms allowed concealed or not"
Problem solved.
And me and Brad are competing again tomorrow at...........
www.mwdshooters.com
www.idpa.com
Yeah, we really do this!
1A+2A+4thA =me.
Hope i didn't offend anyone.
Paul out!
 
A "no guns after (insert time here) allowed" i think will not be a real legal sign ...........i think..... there i go thinking again
 
dkrajcovic said:
A "no guns after (insert time here) allowed" i think will not be a real legal sign ...........i think..... there i go thinking again
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Why would it not be legal? There are bars with "no one under 18 after 11:00pm" or what ever time..
 
no weapons signs have no legal weight on openly carried weapons but does for CC
 
dkrajcovic said:
no weapons signs have no legal weight on openly carried weapons but does for CC
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No "legal weight"?

It's pretty simple.
Private property, the owner can have and enforce whatever rules they want. If they want no firearms, fine, that's their decision. The only thing required of them is making sure that there is ample notice of their policy. E.g. a clearly visible sign.
 
RatLabGuy said:
No "legal weight"?

It's pretty simple.
Private property, the owner can have and enforce whatever rules they want. If they want no firearms, fine, that's their decision. The only thing required of them is making sure that there is ample notice of their policy. E.g. a clearly visible sign.
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And it must be the right sign. If I'm not mistaken it must be a certain size w/ a certain size letters. I do believe it must have the staute on it also
 
It is my understanding also that you can be asked to leave if you don't comply. After that, it is trespassing.

Sent while I should have been doing something constructive...
 
uglyjeepoffroad said:
It is my understanding also that you can be asked to leave if you don't comply. After that, it is trespassing.

Sent while I should have been doing something constructive...
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This is correct as I understand it.
I have a lot of friends that will refuse to spend money at any place that posts those signs. I will personally not spend my money in any place that posts those signs either with a straight up bar being the one exception. You have to make a choice. You either decide to be responsible and not booze it up while carrying or you can go out and drink like a fish and impair your judgment while carrying a deadly weapon. I went to a restaurant last night that serves alcohol and while I would normally break the current laws and carry, last night I did not because I planned on having 2 or 3 beers. Alcohol affects me strongly and I would personally feel as if I were being irresponsible. Some people can drink 6 beers and not be impaired at all. It all comes down to personal decision and personal responsibility. It is also about freedom and not just your freedom to protect yourself but a private person or entity saying that they do not want guns on their property. that is their right as it is your right to not patronize the establishment.
 
redneckcj5guy said:
I am beyond repair Don, you know that! LOL!
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I've known that since I first met you Paul, but I never held it against you! :lol:

This is a very interesting thread.....

I don't drink at all so the only real benefit I get from the restaurant carry part of the bill is that I may occasionally eat at a decent restaurant that does serve alcohol. Some examples would be Logans, Fatz, Red Lobster or Johnny Carinos where I actually do like the food. For the most part, I have avoided these places in the past simply because of the handgun laws. Plus, there are also a lot of good places to eat that don't serve alcohol. I am all for the bill, and I worked hard in doing my part to get it passed. I did my part with GRNC in sending emails, making phone calls and have also worked the GRNC table at gun shows getting folks to sign petitions. Now that it is very close to becoming the law I can only hope that those who do partake of the spirits will be responsible and leave their hardware at home. Don't give the Libs a valid reason to come after us.
 
levellinebrad said:
This is correct as I understand it.
I have a lot of friends that will refuse to spend money at any place that posts those signs. I will personally not spend my money in any place that posts those signs either with a straight up bar being the one exception. You have to make a choice. You either decide to be responsible and not booze it up while carrying or you can go out and drink like a fish and impair your judgment while carrying a deadly weapon. I went to a restaurant last night that serves alcohol and while I would normally break the current laws and carry, last night I did not because I planned on having 2 or 3 beers. Alcohol affects me strongly and I would personally feel as if I were being irresponsible. Some people can drink 6 beers and not be impaired at all. It all comes down to personal decision and personal responsibility. It is also about freedom and not just your freedom to protect yourself but a private person or entity saying that they do not want guns on their property. that is their right as it is your right to not patronize the establishment.
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i understand your decision not to spend money at those businesses, but do you understand the business owners decision to post those signs? do you "blame" the business owner?(i don't know if blame is the proper word here but you are smart enough to know what i mean) does the business owner have to sacrifice his freedoms to keep his business in the black?
 
lockedup5 said:
And it must be the right sign. If I'm not mistaken it must be a certain size w/ a certain size letters. I do believe it must have the staute on it also
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NC law makes no mention of specific requirements for signs to meet, though some other states do.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_54B.html
14‑415.11 (c)(8)
(c) Except as provided in G.S. 14‑415.27, a permit does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:
(8) On any private premises where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises.
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transman731 said:
i understand your decision not to spend money at those businesses, but do you understand the business owners decision to post those signs? do you "blame" the business owner?(i don't know if blame is the proper word here but you are smart enough to know what i mean) does the business owner have to sacrifice his freedoms to keep his business in the black?
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I do not hold it against the business owner at all. I believe that it is his right to make that decision just as it is my decision to go in our not go in. If his decision affects his bottom line then he needs to reevaluate and see if he would like to make a different decision whereas if that business owner has a particular product that I want, I need to reevaluate and possibly alter my decision. Point is, I get to make that decision and not have it dictated to me by the government. .
 
There's NO justification for carrying a firearm with ANY alcohol in your system.

Your life would be ruined if caught or if you ever had to use that firearm.
 
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