What ^ said. I just priced out a 5500 Limited and it was like $83k. I probably left a few grand on the table too, but I did check the box for the snakeskin boots as part of the "Real Cowboy" package at $2997. And real sales price is usually about $10k less than MSRP on trucks in that price range.
That’s the price for the pair, cause you always need a backup plan with a RAM.
Only reason I back up in a Ram is to turn around because all the broken Super dookies have blocked the roadThat’s the price for the pair, cause you always need a backup plan with a RAM.
I think my BILs 2018 5500 was only 48000 with leather interior and plenty of fancy gadgets inside. Not bad compared to the giant bump truck prices seem to have taken since then.
Can "we" say it is a result of direct inflation of the dollar bill? If so, common goods or like the current building material cost scare me a little.
When it comes to trucks, this couldn't be further from the truth. Is 450hp and 1000ft-lbs "necessary"? No, but the usable power at 1/3 throttle and 1500rpm is fantastic for towing, and great when you're running around unloaded and just want to screw off. Having gone from a 99 gasser to an 04 diesel to an 08 diesel to a 2012 diesel, every generation has improved in leaps and bounds in every category. My next truck will probably be around a 2015-2017, and it will likely noticeably better than what I'm driving now, though at some point it does reach diminishing returns. They are smoother, quieter, ride better, have more power, better creature comforts AND still have improved payload and towing capacity, and just generally control a load better. Yes, fuel mileage has mostly stayed flat, but that is while emissions has decreased and power has increased. Now, why the heck is the same "truck" in a base model 4x4 diesel $40k, when one with the same number of components that are "fancy" is twice as much? Thats all profit and demand driven.
They progressed into the ability to comfortably and competent handle the loads. They stop better, they sway less, the frame flexes less, the turning radius is tighter, the engine doesn't have to scream at 5k rpm because it took a granny gear and a 4.88+ rearend to get things moving. The shocks are properly tuned for the heavier loads.
But the majority of this is not true for trucks. We are talking "tow pigs" here. Yes, there are plastic things and infotainment systems. But my 265k mile 2012 F250 is a great example of how durable the darn things are.
has to run at least an 18" wheel to fit the rotors these days. 2.5" or even 3" receiver hitches. Massive amounts of surface area on the radiators and intercoolers and oil coolers and tranny coolers. And yes, all that leads to complexity that can lead to more problems, but the increases in quality control have made tremendous progress for reliability. Even for the electrical and electronic crap.
This can haul as much as an old clapped out f350...They progressed into the ability to comfortably and competent handle the loads. They stop better, they sway less, the frame flexes less, the turning radius is tighter, the engine doesn't have to scream at 5k rpm because it took a granny gear and a 4.88+ rearend to get things moving. The shocks are properly tuned for the heavier loads.
But the majority of this is not true for trucks. We are talking "tow pigs" here. Yes, there are plastic things and infotainment systems. But my 265k mile 2012 F250 is a great example of how durable the darn things are.
Tow 15k pounds regularly with your TH400 even at 50mph, and you are probably gonna burn up the engine, tranny, and Dana 60 rearend. The new trucks are capable of pulling 25-30k pounds, funneling through 1000ft-lbs instead of 350ft-lbs, and doing it reliably for 300-400k miles (and even then, these failures are often a byproduct of the emission systems, not the "real" mechanicals). I'm not talking about the infotainment systems, I'm talking mechanical components. Dana 110 or 135 rearends instead of Dana 70 on the heavy duallies is just one example. 15"+ diameter rotors with 2 or 3 times the swept area and 4 pistons on each caliper instead of 1 on your TH400 equipped 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Thicker axle tubes, thicker, taller frames, etc. Pretty much every HD light duty truck
