My shop is old stick built with aluminum corrugated siding and roof. The radiant heat inside in the hot months is almost unbearable. The walls have roll insulation in them but ceiling has nothing. At one point I had plastic stapled to the bottom side of the trusses and it was much better but that old plastic deteriorated so I took it down. I don't want to put a ceiling in it and cover up access to the wiring plus it would be too low IMO. I was considering putting lath strips up half way in the trusses so I could insulate above those but that's the hard way. Lately I've been thinking to just use roll insulation between the rafters right below the underside of the metal. I looked at metal building insulation rolls with the white plastic one side and reflective on the other that is R8 value and that's acceptable. I will condition the space to some extent once it's insulated. What is y'all's opinions on the best path for ease of installation, cost effectiveness, and the best R value for this job? Shop is 28' x 48' and rafters are 24" O/C mostly. There is no ridge vent, but there is 3 whirlybirds and an exhaust fan at the rear.
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RatLabGuy
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The best solution is going to be spray foam insulation but your wallet may disagree
Not doing spray foam and I don't think it would be good over the wood anyway. Can't afford it anyway so that's out
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There are loads of ads on FBMP for foam board (mostly 4x8x2.5) with or without foil. That would be the route I’d go. Press it up between the trusses and figure out a way to secure it to the rafters. Roof purlins would give you a bit of an air gap to the aluminum roofing for moisture issues.
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Id do spray foam. Yes it costs more, but anything else is a compromise. It will do exactly what you need and be worth it in the long run.
The problem with spray foam is that when the roof eventually gets a leak it will trap the water inside that foam against the roof and the purlins. It will pool and find a way out via gravity and it will not be where the leak is so you will have to rip it out to figure out where the leak is.
I also vote for foam board; get expanded polystyrene with the foil layer and point it at the metal roof. The air gap will make it work as an effective radiant heat barrier.
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My professional opinion: don't do closed cell polyurethane.
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I don't see how any tightly coupled, well installed insulation won't have the same problem, except almost anything else will allow it to make a much larger pool before you see it.
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XPS will have slightly higher r value per inch. It's also slightly less likely to absorb water, but that shouldn't matter for your use case. Either would be fine, though. There are also wrapped batts (fiberglass or polyethylene) that might be worth considering. Board would be a pretty easy install assuming the dimensions work. Can foam them in place and use a couple pieces of furring to hold the panels in place.
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Closed cell polyurethane will trap vapor between the insulation and the metal roof and rot out the purlins. Bad choice.
I did use the XPS Board to make an attic door enclosure to stop loss through it and it works great. It was actually a little harder to cut and work with than I thought it would be. But this was my original thought to use this product. I would like a reflective side to point upwards if it's made that way.
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Banded System | Bay Insulation Systems
Long-Tab Banded System Long-Tab Banded (LTB) filled-cavity insulation is a popular and cost-effective method for insulating metal building roofs and walls. The long-tab banded system involves using laminated insulation with extra-long facing tabs as well as metal banding for support. The...
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I put this in my new pole barn shop and we used it in our old pole barn shop with no issues. They can make it to whatever width you need, our old shop had odd spacing on the trusses. My new shop has 22" between most purlins except 2 are 16" spacing. They made exactly what I needed. You can also order the rolls to whatever length you need.
Just having the ceiling insulated in my new shop has made a big difference in comfort.
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How much did it cost?Banded System | Bay Insulation Systems
Long-Tab Banded System Long-Tab Banded (LTB) filled-cavity insulation is a popular and cost-effective method for insulating metal building roofs and walls. The long-tab banded system involves using laminated insulation with extra-long facing tabs as well as metal banding for support. The...
I put this in my new pole barn shop and we used it in our old pole barn shop with no issues. They can make it to whatever width you need, our old shop had odd spacing on the trusses. My new shop has 22" between most purlins except 2 are 16" spacing. They made exactly what I needed. You can also order the rolls to whatever length you need.
Just having the ceiling insulated in my new shop has made a big difference in comfort.
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I'd put a plywood ceiling in it and blow in insulation.
untchabl
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Around $3,700 for the insulation, metal banding and screws for the ceiling. We still need to put up the 2 outside sections and ridge section of insulation. We left the 2 outside sections out until we finish the electrical work.
I'd have to go back in my invoice to see how many rolls it took. The sales guy was able to figure out how much I needed after I gave him the shop measurements.
I ordered 21' long rolls to make it easier to install.
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awheelterd
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Thats not bad at all. What R value is it?
untchabl
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R-19, my purlins are 2x6.
@awheelterd I actually had Hugo come out and install the insulation. Him and 3 other guys installed all the insulation in about 12 hours.
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Yup, that's the stuff. It needs to have a low perm vapor barrier and some structure to handle the spans. Regular paper faced batts would be less than ideal due to the lack of structure and lack of moisture control. You might get 20 years out of them before the paper started failing, but I wouldn't count on it.Banded System | Bay Insulation Systems
Long-Tab Banded System Long-Tab Banded (LTB) filled-cavity insulation is a popular and cost-effective method for insulating metal building roofs and walls. The long-tab banded system involves using laminated insulation with extra-long facing tabs as well as metal banding for support. The...
I put this in my new pole barn shop and we used it in our old pole barn shop with no issues. They can make it to whatever width you need, our old shop had odd spacing on the trusses. My new shop has 22" between most purlins except 2 are 16" spacing. They made exactly what I needed. You can also order the rolls to whatever length you need.
Just having the ceiling insulated in my new shop has made a big difference in comfort.
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untchabl
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Our old shop has had that insulation in the ceiling for almost 20 years. Stapled to the purlins and nylon banding to hold it up. I went with metal banding and stapled to the purlins since they recommended the metal banding. Figure it will all outlast me.
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Dang. I called him a few months back and never heard back
I've been making my plans with the 2" XPS and dropped into Lowes today for a different reason and saw this AP Foil Faced Polyiso Continous Insulation. It has the foil side that I want, and the other side is white which is a plus. R value is 9.3 at 1.5". The south side of my building gets stupid hot since it pointed right at the sun most of the day so I did want foil and had planned to maybe add a 1/2" foil backed insulation board above the XPS I was going to use as a reflective barrier. This product kills two birds with one stone...hopefully?
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