Opinion on the under 21 limited access rule

78fj = banned

anyone else have any issues? Send a PM to any mod or admin you like.

The rule is in place for a reason, feel free to discuss it as long as you like, it will not be changing anytime soon.
 
lomodyj said:
Problems with your thinking here...
You know I was Rick's sponsor. I got tons of PMs every time he did something stupit. I think you even sent me an email wanting me to reprimand him for doing something stupid. The rules of sponsorship are designed to have an 'adult' talk to the underage user when they do something 'wrong' on the board, not to have the adult reprimand them for towing their POS jeeplike thing with a 1500 and honestly believing that it's O.K. to do that. There was a thread early on in chit chat started by some kid that wasn't willing to ask someone to be their sponsor, kid was all buthurt that he had to do it. I, along with a bunch of other people jumped his sh!t for his arrogant, whining ways. I stated clearly that if I were to receive a PM from an underage user that clearly asked me to sponsor them, and gave me good reason to stick my neck out for them, I would likely do the deed. Ricky sent me a very sincere PM. Stated what he thought he could bring to the forum. Promised not to break any of the forum rules, and did a fine job of introducing himself to me. I told him that I would sponsor him, but we had to meet face to face at some point. If I met him and didn't like him or he was an ass on the board, I'd drop my sponsorship. Within about a month we met at a CNC4x4 function. Thought he needed a shower and a change of clothes, but felt that he was as 'adult' as most anyone on the board. I don't regret any of my time as his sponsor. His level of doing stupid stuff to his vehicles is well documented. But in all the trash talking to him or about him. He has always been an adult. I've never seen him get into any of the name calling, or sunk to the level of those people making the comments directed at him. I see Ricky as the poster child of being a good underage, sponsored board user.
I fully agree with the sponsorship rules, I think the system (in my experience) works.
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I appreciate the heads up, some of this was news to me. I still feel he was way too far from you. Yeah, he ignored the folks saying mean stuff, but he also ignored the people saying constructive stuff. His issues were different than the kids that get all upset because they don't get their way. Yeah, I sent you a PM asking you to talk to him in person, but that was because he wouldn't listen to anyone here. It wasn't a board issue per se. It was a growth and safety issue. That was the REAL reason for sponsors, so the kid had someone they respected and knew to mentor them.

-- I could have used one when I was a kid.
J
 
I just wish that there was a spot that you could see who your sponsor actually IS...I dont remember who mine is :confused:

I think its RufusTheRam, but im not sure..
 
Lomodyj sponsored me, and I thank him for doing so. Sometimes I wish that there weren't quite so many restrictions based on age, but I do understand and comply with the umbrella policy because as the past has shown, there have been quite a few underage users that have given the 21 and below a bad name. Being an underage user (18), I feel that you must prove your worth, otherwise you won't be taken seriously. To all the fellow underage users - try to think before you speak and the board will be a much better place. If you happen to speak out inappropriately, be prepared to receive the reprocussions of those who look down on underage users.
 
I just hate how 21 is the age that makes everyone "underage" or not in this country. Lets say someone is say, 19 or 20. They are old enough to be on their own, own a gun, even go off in the army and kill, yet they aren't old enough to drink a beer or post on a forum about off roading without someone to hold their hand? I see all your points and they sorta make sense, i just don't agree with the age for being under or over as 21.
heck i still think the drinking age should still be 18.
just my .02

and why does everybody dislike ricky? i don't understand. he seems like a cool guy and he has the balls to play in mud. Whats the problem?
 
By the same token, I can think of a lot of "over age" user's I'd MUCH rather kick in the bum than Ricky when he was underage.

But that's just cause my solution to most problems is to slap someone. (Hence why I only sponsored someone local. Of course he works where I eat, so I probably won't smack him to hard, or my subs might be nasty. Crap.)

But, if we had a "all new users" issue, that would be problematic. Forcing it for a small subset of users, that typically need some mentoring, experience is good I hear, is a rational balance.
 
864rNr said:
and why does everybody dislike ricky? i don't understand. he seems like a cool guy and he has the balls to play in mud. Whats the problem?
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Ha, for the most part its just all people I know giving me a hard time in a joking manner, I did ALOT of dumb crap as a kid, like seriously I could have died and caused others harm with some of the stupid stuff I did. But I learned over time mainly from this site, that was kinda why I have the thought of letting 18 in so that they can learn the same way I did, but w/e if the mods don't wanna change it thats cool, its there site, I just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way bout the cutoff age.

But Lomodyj mad a good point, w/o him as my sponsor I Probably woulda got kicked off multiple times :shaking:
 
Futbalfantic said:
I am an underage user and I agree with the rule (tho sometimes I wish I was able to read the garage threads to follow things from chitchat).
Thats all I wanted to type
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same feelings here. i dont mind the underage rule, on a lot of other sites im on it seems like the tech sections get chocked full of spam from hs kids asking stupid general maintenance questions.

as with futbalfanatic, the only thing i dont like is when a thread i find interesting gets moved to the garage and i cant follow it anymore. :rolleyes:
 
The internet is public and should remain public. The intranet is private. The folks that own and operate the end points to the internet own their end - an intranet. Since the owners and operators of NC4x4 own and operate this piece - their intranet - they can do as the darn well please. Heck - they don't even really need to decide who allowed to come in at all - this is not a public accomodation like a business. That they publish the hows and why's of what it takes to be a registered member is their choice. They could just as easily keep that information to themselves. They could just as easily keep anyone form viewing the this website without being accepted as a member. As it is they don't - everything is handled fairly open manner. Bruiser banned a user - he also invited them to contact him to discuss it. Sounds fair to me - people disagree on lots of stuff around here - but the rules keep it civil - I'll ignore the smilies to the right of my screen flashing middle fingers and the stinking POS for the sake of this post.

I know Rob and darn near every Admin on NC4x4 - many since before NC4x4 was started. Thanks guy's - you run a nice piece of intranet here.

If someone doesn't like it - the option is available for them to start their own BBS. Here's a link to the software:
http://www.vbulletin.com/
Almost forgot - you'll need a host:
http://www.siteground.com/vbulletin-hosting.htm
Don't forget to register a domain name.

Go, enjoy!
 
Macdaddy: yes, i am your sponsor. if i remember correctly, i was very surprised to learn that you hadn't been sponsored yet. i think you participated on the board for at least a year or maybe more with all the limitations of an unsponsored underage user? now you're a paying member and i don't know of any problems you've caused (i keep and eye on most of your posts :flipoff2: ). so, i'd say that so far you're a pretty good example of the whole process working well. i've sponsored several other people that are now over 21 and they've all worked out great.

as for offroad1500 and his father, i have met them both in person and they seemed to be stand up people to me. i'm not going to post any opinion on what's taken place, but i will extend the offer to be his sponsor if he is allowed back to the board. ken or mike, feel free to pm me if you have any questions/concerns about anything.

i think it's a good rule, and eliminates a lot of b.s. that would normally have to be dealt with. i've been around here long enough to see the change implemented and the tremendous improvement it's made in keeping the retards out and educating the ones mature enough to stay. no one is denied access to anything, and it's not like you have to jump through any big hoops to get sponsored to make posts.

ricky, reading your post i think you're completely missing the point of the rule and how it works. it's definitely not forcing anyone to lie or otherwise be dishonest. it's also designed to do a lot of the things you mentioned, such as educate. you yourself have given numerous examples of how the rule and your sponsor have been a positive influence on you, and that without them things would be much different. so, i'm not quite understanding why you're opposed to it?

lastly, for anyone that's dead set against it, don't forget there are a number of other nc based forums that don't have an age requirement (that i'm aware of). anyone is also more than welcome to start their own. personally, i've always thought a forum that catered strictly to the 16-25 crowd (and those of us that still act like it, lol) would be successful. i'd be happy to help with something like that should someone do it. maybe that's your calling ricky. :flipoff2:
 
RufusTheRam said:
i've always thought a forum that catered strictly to the 16-25 crowd (and those of us that still act like it, lol) would be successful. i'd be happy to help with something like that should someone do it. maybe that's your calling ricky. :flipoff2:
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We could call it "powerwheels4x4.com" or "juvenilenc4x4.com" or "nc4x4jr.com"
*Whistles innocently*

Or just www.jeepsunlimited.com ?
 
The cool thing is we got to watch Ricky and MacDaddy grow up by keeping their mouths shut and listening to guys who have been through the same shit, 4x4, or otherwise. It is an old school way of learning and it works. Boyz2Men 101:flipoff2:
 
RufusTheRam said:
Macdaddy: yes, i am your sponsor. if i remember correctly, i was very surprised to learn that you hadn't been sponsored yet. i think you participated on the board for at least a year or maybe more with all the limitations of an unsponsored underage user? now you're a paying member and i don't know of any problems you've caused (i keep and eye on most of your posts :flipoff2: ). so, i'd say that so far you're a pretty good example of the whole process working well.
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Thanks!

When does the paid membership run out? I'll be 21 in..8 months :lol:
 
Who cares how old someone is, as long as they follow the rules and act appropriately. Yes, I'm under 21, so my opinion on this matter is biased, but so is Almost everyones' who is over 21. Age is just a number, not a measure of maturity...I completely understand this is a private site so Admins/Moderators do as you please, its your right, but why generalize that all those under 21 need to hold someones hand? What happened to "innocent untill proven guilty"? And yes, this really isn't a big deal, I enjoy the site and will continue to use it regardless of wether or not I have to hold someones hand, I'm just saying, not ALL underage people have done something wrong, so why "punish" them all?

Heres an example:
What if there was an Abnormally high number of people in the 35-38 agerange who "acted up"(tore up land, used innapropriate language on forums, blah blah..), Would you put restrictions on EVERY 35 to 38 year old? No, because thats ridiculous, and a poor generalization.. so why do it to those under 21?

Thats just my opinion on this, and by no means do I think I know whats best, all the old farts that keep(and have been keeping) this forum running for however long its been going are doing a fine job, so keep up with the good work!
 
ToyotaJake said:
Who cares how old someone is, as long as they follow the rules and act appropriately. Yes, I'm under 21, so my opinion on this matter is biased, but so is Almost everyones' who is over 21. Age is just a number, not a measure of maturity...I completely understand this is a private site so Admins/Moderators do as you please, its your right, but why generalize that all those under 21 need to hold someones hand? What happened to "innocent untill proven guilty"? And yes, this really isn't a big deal, I enjoy the site and will continue to use it regardless of wether or not I have to hold someones hand, I'm just saying, not ALL underage people have done something wrong, so why "punish" them all?
Heres an example:
What if there was an Abnormally high number of people in the 35-38 agerange who "acted up"(tore up land, used innapropriate language on forums, blah blah..), Would you put restrictions on EVERY 35 to 38 year old? No, because thats ridiculous, and a poor generalization.. so why do it to those under 21?
Thats just my opinion on this, and by no means do I think I know whats best, all the old farts that keep(and have been keeping) this forum running for however long its been going are doing a fine job, so keep up with the good work!
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So you lied about being 21 also
 
ToyotaJake said:
.....all the old farts that keep(and have been keeping) this forum running for however long its been going are doing a fine job, so keep up with the good work!
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Nice - at what point does someone older than you become an "old fart" ? Is it there a 5 or 10 or 15 year cutoff?

Thanks,
Brett
 
IMO it appears that the lack of ability to follow stated, written, posted rules and procedures is a prime example of ones immaturity. When we are younger we tend to understand less and question more. As we grow older we tend to understand more and question less.
 
Facts are facts, 90% of our issues came from teeny boppers, thinking they know more then the "old farts" that have been doing this hobby for years. Once the limitations were put in place, end of problems. I don't like lumping all minors in the age group, but an age group had to be picked. 21 is it. It's not going to change, so whining about it will not do any good.

Enough said, the Big Dog has spoken.
 
Ricky IMO it would be better to step up and take an underage user by the hand and teach them what you have learned. Myself and many have seen you mature into a very resp. wheeler and board memember. I'd say the rule worked for you as it has for others. So just sponsor someone and pass on the knowledge you've learned.
 
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