Or else what?!?!?

ManglerYJ

ManglerYJ

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So I'm glancing through news stories as I regularly do and happen across the latest instance of "Police Brutality" (the School Resource Officer in Columbia, SC forcibly removing a student from her chair after repeated warnings). And I have to ask..... at what point have people collectively found it acceptable to refuse to comply with authority and then piss and moan when it escalates?

Now, I have a TON of issues with this whole situation, including the fact that it did seem excessive, BUT... I have an even bigger problem with the fact that a SRO even had to be there to begin with. I don't understand how a student (even in high school) that has been told by their teacher, then again by the principle, then again by the SRO doesn't comply. The defiance is ingrained and acceptable somehow. I don't understand it. So now, only the SRO seems to be in trouble in this. Seems to be the M.O. nowadays to refuse to comply and then record what the police do in order to get out of the trouble if they over-react.

Here is another thing that I just don't get. How is it acceptable that "more then a couple" of recordings of the event actually exist? How is it acceptable that students have cell phones out in a high school class let alone having them out for a long enough period to record this? When I was in high school, we couldn't even have a calculator out unless we were in math class.

Ironically - directly next to this story in my news feed was another story about how 1 in 14 students have had or currently have at least one parent incarcerated. Somehow I think the stories are linked.

That being said, if that were my child in the desk, the least of their worries would be an over-zealous SRO slinging their butt to the ground. Same thing with Tamir Rice. I have instilled enough of a respect for law and order that if my son (who I love more than life) were waving a realistic toy gun around and not immediately complying the second a police officer rolls up, I'd expect the very same outcome and would expect to receive an invoice for the bullets used.
 
The lack of respect for authority in this country has become a real shame. The news media and certain leaders are pushing this attitude of rebellion and it sickens me. The law has their job to do just like any off us, just seems as if their is not respect for them at all. I thank all law enforcement and first responders, know that we support you and and stand with you.
 
I've only seen the short video where she gets snatched out of her chair, without any backstory about what happened prior to that. Did they try to get her out of the chair before that point?
 
Subzilla said:
The one weird thing I noticed in the video was how the other students sat in their chairs "still as a mouse". I thought for sure one of them would have gotten up to "rally" or something.
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It's either that they were in agreement with the teacher, principle and SRO wanting them out so that they can actually learn something and better their lives, or they would rather just sit back and record it to make a big deal about it later with the rest of the Monday Morning quarterback news media telling us how awful the student was treated.
 
This is what Happens when we have a society that is afraid to discipline their Children.
These Children do not have any respect for their teachers, principle, and police.
The Student decided to Stand her ground and got her A$$ handed to her.
Did the Cop go to far....Yes
Should he be fired......Yes as well as the principle
Should the Girl be Expelled....yes
Did the Girl Get what was coming to her for her disrespecting her teachers, principle, and police.....Yes.
 
Regarding the phone deal..its a different day and age now.
My 9th grader is allowed to have his phone out in every class. Is allowed to listen to music sing earbuds during "quiet work time" routinely texts me during the day etc.

Oh yeah and in Algebra 1 they were REQUIRED to have a calculator for all tests.
 
Ron said:
Oh yeah and in Algebra 1 they were REQUIRED to have a calculator for all tests.
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And this is why my job is so difficult. High school seniors and alot of graduates CANNOT EVEN PASS THE ASVAB to join the military. OR they already have a criminal record by the time they graduate.
 
If you watch the video closely you can see what looks like the girl throwing herself to make it look worse than what it was. A cry for attention is all it is.
 
Ridgerunner said:
This is what Happens when we have a society that is afraid to discipline their Children.
These Children do not have any respect for their teachers, principle, and police.
The Student decided to Stand her ground and got her A$$ handed to her.
Did the Cop go to far....Yes
Should he be fired......Yes as well as the principle
Should the Girl be Expelled....yes
Did the Girl Get what was coming to her for her disrespecting her teachers, principle, and police.....Yes.
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I agree with you for the most part, but why should the principle be fired? Just curious as to your thinking there.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
And this is why my job is so difficult. High school seniors and alot of graduates CANNOT EVEN PASS THE ASVAB to join the military. OR they already have a criminal record by the time they graduate.
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When I went in I scored a 91 on the ASVAB. I had some buddies that couldn't pass the minimum score(30 something for the Navy I think). It blew my mind how that was possible. When I was in school, if the teacher told you to leave the room, you left the damn room.
 
My thoughts on this are in the garage forum.
Trying to keep it clean out here.
 
I did not see anything wrong.

The student should be expelled.

Mess with the bull and you will get the horns.
 
BigBody79 said:
What about the teacher?

The SRO is the one that escalated it too far. Not principal(note correct spelling) nor the teacher.
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I don't know why my computer keeps auto-correcting principal wrong (nailed it that time). Perhaps it's the principle of the principal.
 
Okay.....
I'm a bouncer in a bar. I find myself in the same predicament A LOT. i ask a patron to leave, they say fuck off.

As getting them out of the bar is my job, i cant just "fuck off". Ive got to find a way to get them out of the bar. There are certain steps of escalation i can take. use a firm voice and repeat my request for the offender to leave. with a light touch, using only the tips of my finger, apply pressure to the offenders back and guide him to the door.


if the above doesnt work, i find myself in that "or else what" moment.

Im at the end of my legal rope. I still have an unruly person in the bar and i'd like to keep my job.

It always ends with the offender leaving the bar.

I think the cops (this cop included) find themselves in the same place. They've given an order and it has been denied. what to do next? just like me, the situation HAS to end with the offender complying with the order. what other tools did the officer have available?
 
Reid said:
Okay.....
I'm a bouncer in a bar. I find myself in the same predicament A LOT. i ask a patron to leave, they say fuck off.

As getting them out of the bar is my job, i cant just "fuck off". Ive got to find a way to get them out of the bar. There are certain steps of escalation i can take. use a firm voice and repeat my request for the offender to leave. with a light touch, using only the tips of my finger, apply pressure to the offenders back and guide him to the door.


if the above doesnt work, i find myself in that "or else what" moment.

Im at the end of my legal rope. I still have an unruly person in the bar and i'd like to keep my job.

It always ends with the offender leaving the bar.

I think the cops (this cop included) find themselves in the same place. They've given an order and it has been denied. what to do next? just like me, the situation HAS to end with the offender complying with the order. what other tools did the officer have available?
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As an administrator you'd better know you have Billy bad ass as your SRO and it won't end well. Kids would rather get tazed than give up their phones.

People need to learn to be compliant. Most of these situations escalate when the person refuses to cooperate.
 
He should have dropped the peoples elbow on her roody-poo candy-ass.

She got what she deserved, and had that been my kid I would have beat her ass once I saw the video.

These are the type of kids that grow up to be worthless thugs. Failures as parents.
 
Bogleparsons said:
He should have dropped the peoples elbow on her roody-poo candy-ass.

She got what she deserved, and had that been my kid I would have beat her ass once I saw the video.

These are the type of kids that grow up to be worthless thugs. Failures as parents.
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More is coming out about the back story here. She had her phone out in class and was playing on it instead of working. The teacher told her to put it away and she refused. Then the administrator told her to leave the classroom and she refused. When the SRO showed up, she told him no and that "she didn't even know him" (in other words, I don't recognize your authority over me).

Supposedly, the students all know the SRO's "reputation". I think he was being baited to react the way he did. Unfortunately, he foolishly took the bait and will most likely suffer the consequences over it. There was no "good" outcome for this for him. I believe he was set up to fail. Ironically, the issue that caused this in the first place (her being on her cell phone) is the same immediate reaction by at least three people as they immediately got their cell phones out to record the "potential injustice". The sad thing is that this plays out time and again and as mentioned is being "endorsed" as correct behavior by career politicians.

It's easy to sit and act all bad-ass refusing to move "or else what" until someone who can actually make you move shows you the "or else what."
 
rodney eppes said:
Maybe call for back up, then cuff & shackle her to the chair-desk, & carry her to a Private place, to Remove her from the chair-desk, & Off to Jail.
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That was done before, in a different case and that officer was crucified too. This and many others like it are a no win situation.
 
I watched a couple versions of the video and well, I don't have a problem with what happened. She was asked to leave, the Vice Principle was called and she still refused to leave, the SRO was called and she STILL refused to comply. What was the alternative? Let everyone else in the class have their schedule and life disrupted because this delinquent didn't feel like following the rules? She was removed from the desk, so what? Had she followed the orders given to her nothing else would have happened. End of story.
 
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