Osama Bin Laden Dead

-First off, the reports of any SEAL team going in and performing the "retrieval" are definitely wrong.

-Secondly, there have been numerous times in the past were Sadam, and Obama Bin Laden have been in kill range over the past years even in Desert Storm but orders were never given to make the kill.

Lastly, if it takes ten years to catch a 6'5" indian on dialysis in the desert with the military power we have, there are some other issues that need to be addressed.
 
i dont believe it either... ok bc they say hey we got him and he's dead... oh and by the way we thru his body in the ocean... well good job seems like a cover up so nobody can go to his grave, dig him up and be like yep thats osama .... pff
 
Not to mention, does it really matter??? Yes, I'm glad he's dead, but there are plenty of others ready to step in and take the role

I think it is important. As long as he was alive, we looked incompetent and that you could successfully avoid the US.

I also think it's important that it appears that he grabbed his wife and used her as a shield. What happened to dying honorably? I suspect (hope really) that information like that will open the eyes of the people that he was able to brainwash, and that haven't killed themselves yet. I know it's a stretch, but one can hope.
 
Guys.....faking Osama's death is really hard to do. Cuz if he's NOT dead...and he pops up somewhere, well...how do you esplain that one to Lucy?

The only real way to pull it off, is to already know for sure that he is def. dead. In which case, you either accomplished the mission, great job. Or you someone before you accomplished the mission and your taking credit for it.

either way...the fukker is dead. Let's throw a party.
 
and by the way....i hope we tortured someone to get the intel!
 
I think it is important. As long as he was alive, we looked incompetent and that you could successfully avoid the US.

I also think it's important that it appears that he grabbed his wife and used her as a shield. What happened to dying honorably? I suspect (hope really) that information like that will open the eyes of the people that he was able to brainwash, and that haven't killed themselves yet. I know it's a stretch, but one can hope.

Women are NOTHING to them. They consider them property. Why would they care what obl did? Should, but they don't. But like you, I do hope that at least a few hear that and think.

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as stated above:
a night time raid, using MH hinds- 4 of them, with 40 Seal Team 6 members(which I assume delta lost the coin toss), went into a foreign country without their knowelage or approval, did an assualt on the compound when they werent 100% certain it was infact OBL there, killed him because he resisted(presidential kill order), picked up the body and threw it in the Hind, loaded 40+1 in 3 birds and left- without taking a single hit.....but destroyed a Hind landing it...thats NOT a small bird...its not a small compound..land 4 in there? land 3 with one burning? Take off and take the deceased with you...only to throw him overboard as per the islamic ritual(that isnt exactly precise-he didnt die at sea)? do I smell a fish story? Have these people ever lied to you?

And the pakistanis arent screaming? anyone remember how hard nosed they were in mogadishu? We just did an incursion into their backyard-without even asking-, and they arent screaming for blood?

We did a DNA test on OBL, and had the results within HOW long? We compared the DNA to what....what a minute...where did we get his DNA to compare THAT DNA to?

The man was dieing 10 years ago- they didnt give him 2 months to live then- and he survived for 10 years? Must be clean living.

Wayyyy to many things dont add up-

How do you get cheering crowds in front of the whitehouse at 11:30am with signs? that place is a warzone afterdark- few people brave it- 1000s? with signs? with news crews ALREADY stationed to televise them?

The news people know a good 30 minutes before the prez`s speech, what the speech is about...and have it confirmed?

Then it comes out, this all started BEFORE last august? The pakistanies knew there was "someone" there in this multimillion dollar compound...and didnt think it was worth knowing?

One things for certain- they cant roll him out an put the blame on him again for anything- his roles done.

NEXT!

Why?
Why now? why all the big show?
Thats what the other half of us are trying to figure out-

someone is making you look at door#3- and the other doors are where we need to be looking-
 
I think it is important. As long as he was alive, we looked incompetent and that you could successfully avoid the US.
I also think it's important that it appears that he grabbed his wife and used her as a shield. What happened to dying honorably? I suspect (hope really) that information like that will open the eyes of the people that he was able to brainwash, and that haven't killed themselves yet. I know it's a stretch, but one can hope.


Yeah...that came out wrong...I do care, and if this the legit story...it makes me proud. It definitely shows that we'll always get our man. What I meant was simply that, we got OBL, great...now someone else is sitting at the head of the table. I suppose that's just the world we live in. At this point, IMO, withdraw every soldier that can be withdrawn...or fight until there's no one left to sit at the head of that table. And I'm not real fond of the latter option.
 
I sincerely hope its true and i hope everyone of those ragtards burn in hell like the rest of america....BUT my biggest question is how do you have tons of people show up at major cities to celebrate before it was even on the news really. They hadnt been broadcasting 10 minutes and they are showing all these folks celebrating and stuff....AND say those people saw the same show I was how did they know anyone else woul be there to celebrate with them? they just walk out on a whim and a prayer hoping they wouldnt be alone? Im one of the biggest skeptics youll meet and Im just wandering if this isnt a load of bullhockey.......my .02
 
yea i knew about it way before Osama...I mean Obama's address and im not saying they were paid actors but its just a damn coincidence that all those mfers was just hangin round and got all together and started celebrating, maybe they are all on speed dial with each other :) Who knows what lengths the goverment will go to pull the wool over our eyes about some bullsh*t.
 
apparently The Rock knew about it 45 minutes before the attack, he twitted some about "big news" on the horizon and being proud of our troops.
 
wow, i quoted that horribly he said he got news "that will shock the world"
 
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as stated above:
a night time raid, using MH hinds- 4 of them, with 40 Seal Team 6 members(which I assume delta lost the coin toss), went into a foreign country without their knowelage or approval, did an assualt on the compound when they werent 100% certain it was infact OBL there, killed him because he resisted(presidential kill order), picked up the body and threw it in the Hind, loaded 40+1 in 3 birds and left- without taking a single hit.....but destroyed a Hind landing it...thats NOT a small bird...its not a small compound..land 4 in there? land 3 with one burning? Take off and take the deceased with you...only to throw him overboard as per the islamic ritual(that isnt exactly precise-he didnt die at sea)? do I smell a fish story? Have these people ever lied to you?
And the pakistanis arent screaming? anyone remember how hard nosed they were in mogadishu? We just did an incursion into their backyard-without even asking-, and they arent screaming for blood?
We did a DNA test on OBL, and had the results within HOW long? We compared the DNA to what....what a minute...where did we get his DNA to compare THAT DNA to?
The man was dieing 10 years ago- they didnt give him 2 months to live then- and he survived for 10 years? Must be clean living.
Wayyyy to many things dont add up-
How do you get cheering crowds in front of the whitehouse at 11:30am with signs? that place is a warzone afterdark- few people brave it- 1000s? with signs? with news crews ALREADY stationed to televise them?
The news people know a good 30 minutes before the prez`s speech, what the speech is about...and have it confirmed?
Then it comes out, this all started BEFORE last august? The pakistanies knew there was "someone" there in this multimillion dollar compound...and didnt think it was worth knowing?
One things for certain- they cant roll him out an put the blame on him again for anything- his roles done.
NEXT!
Why?
Why now? why all the big show?
Thats what the other half of us are trying to figure out-
someone is making you look at door#3- and the other doors are where we need to be looking-


I wondered about the DNA thing the second they reported it. I just chalked it up to having watched too many CSI episodes.

As far as the "why now?"..... Obama is in his re-election window. Did you see the crowds cheering almost immediately after release of the news "Four More Years!" Wag the Dog.

The only real "peace" I have is that the one on the news making the majority of the press about it happens to be Hillary Clinton. If this story is true, can you imagine how OBL is rolling in his grave (as wet as it may be) having an infidel WOMAN all over the press that he always wanted to control blasting that we killed him.
 
DNA testing...

FYI, confirmational DNA test can be done in a matter of hours, it's actually very easy if you have a direct comparison or couple family comparisons (what they had here) to confirm against. What takes time is if you don't knwo what/who you're looking for and have to do broad spectrum (e.g. what happen in 99% of crime cases).
And as we all know, the true typical timetable for DNA results is weeks to months, but that is 95% b/c the few labs that do this are so backlogged. But do you think the CIA is going to wait around their turn in line? No way, they'd have the guys lined up already waiting for the sample. Plus, if you look closely at the timetable of events sunday (here), they didn't actually have the official DNA confimation yet when BHO made his press speech, it actually came a little later. Ballsy.
 
I hate to be a skeptic but I think this is just a publicity stunt. Like someone mentioned before, its just a way for Bama to get reelected. The fact that they have no pictures or evidence or anything released to the public, on top of dumping the body as fast as possible to where no one could recover it (unless the US put a GPS in his butt) for the sake of Muslim tradition (which what entitles him have such a respectful burial? We shoulda drank everclear, pissed on em, then lit him on fire), there were only 4 people in the compound all of which are dead, we managed to load up his body onto the chopper and also his computer hard drives, data drive, thumb drives and any other docs they could get and no one had a scratch on them? I know the seals are bad@ss but this just seems too easy and too shady..

....publicity stunt.. Obama may be a smooth talker but I also think he is deceitful...
 
... there were only 4 people in the compound all of which are dead, we managed to load up his body onto the chopper and also his computer hard drives, data drive, thumb drives and any other docs they could get and no one had a scratch on them? I know the seals are bad@ss but this just seems too easy and too shady..
....publicity stunt.. Obama may be a smooth talker but I also think he is deceitful...

Pssst - there were others there, survivors, taken into custody. Used one of them to ID the body. They crashed a 'copter going in, not exactly a smooth operation (but hey $hit happens). And all the computers and stuff was taken the day after, once everything was vacant.
Shady maybe but not easy!

As Reid said, some things here are fishy but they would be plain stupid to fake his death - imagine the fallout if he were to pop up someplace 2 weeks from now?
IF it's faked, then the only possibility is that he's been dead for awhile and they just chose now to pull the rabbit out of the hat. Buuuut - think that'd be a really hard thing to keep under wraps these days, esp w/ WikiLeaks and all.
 
IF it's faked, then the only possibility is that he's been dead for awhile and they just chose now to pull the rabbit out of the hat. Buuuut - think that'd be a really hard thing to keep under wraps these days, esp w/ WikiLeaks and all.


Take this for what it's worth...I didn't bother researching it or go over it with a fine tooth comb for illogical statements:


A multitude of different inside sources both publicly and privately, including one individual who personally worked with Bin Laden at one time, told us directly that Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his “death” would only be announced at the most politically expedient time.

In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months”.

http://www.infowars.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade/


I'm still not convinced that an actual assasination went down. I'm sure a trigger was pulled (pardon the pun) in some capacity. Be that seizure of a body (keep in mind, 10 years ago, it was predicted he only had 2 months to live) if the article is correct or simply nabbing files or a live capture to initiate an action to tumble the house of cards. So I don't think OBL will be popping up anywhere else, and I do think the OBL chapter for the US has come to a close, but I'm just not sure if the guy was assasinated.
 
I'm sure a trigger was pulled (pardon the pun) in some capacity. Be that seizure of a body (keep in mind, 10 years ago, it was predicted he only had 2 months to live) if the article is correct or simply nabbing files or a live capture to initiate an action to tumble the house of cards. So I don't think OBL will be popping up anywhere else, and I do think the OBL chapter for the US has come to a close, but I'm just not sure if the guy was assasinated.

Don't disagree w/ you, esp now that they have officially announced they aren't releasing photos.
 
We could start delving into conspiracy theories and so forth, but the big hole that would keep popping up is that the military doesnt approve of Obama and the generals and higher ups think he is bad for the country.

In order for Obama to pull off any kind of fake, whether Osama was really killed that night, or has been on ice for a decade, there would have to he ALOT of co-operation and co-ordination with people who dont want to do either with Obama.

If you want a logical conspiracy to follow so that you dont have to credit Obama for making the kill.......i'll give you what i've put together.

Under enhanced interogation and rendition the CIA gained info on OBL sometime, late 2008-early 2009. As Obama came into office on promises of ending rendition and torture, closing gitmo, and moving america past the whole war on terror thing, he couldnt act. he could not validate the policies of bush that he ran against to get elected.

As the massive compound was being built 4 years ago, pakistan authorities took notice, investigated, and come to a general conclusion that it was probable that OBL was going to use this as his safe house. The intel was turned over to the national security team, and again, Obama overlooked, not validating bush policies on the war.

General Petraus and Micheal hayden (supreme allied comander in the middle east, and Director of CIA, respectively) Were taken out of their positions early Obamas administration. Too much knowledge. He installed Gen. McChyrstal as SAC and leon Panetta as CIA chief, hoping that in the shake up, Intel on Osama would get lost in the red tape.

Both of those appointments backfired on him. Although dealing with troop number inadequacies because Obama wouldnt not send what he requested, (which i assume, as conspiracies go, was a planned move to help The gen forget about OBL and focus on other things) McChrystal ended up being a pretty brilliant guy and a hell of a leader. One problem, He opened his mouth and voiced some real opinions in front of the wrong people, Rolling Stones imbedded reporter, Micheal Hastings. AFter the article of McChrystal speaking of his disdain for the current administation ran, Obama feared backlash, fired McChrystal and re instated Petraus due to public outcry. The hunt for OBL continued.

Leon Panetta, who this whole conspiracy hinges on, turns out to have more allegiance to America than the Office of the President. Good thing. Knowing that Obama has turned a blind eye to intel on OBL for years and wanting to do something to nail OBL once and for all, Panetta began devising a plan to insert a SEAL team in a clandestine mission with out authority of Pakistan.

Hillary Clinton, Ever eager to score one for the Dems, got wind of the plan, and encouraged Obama to do something before wikileaks revealed that we have him in our sights and arent doing anything about it. Could cost the election ya know! whether H. Clinton was the one who leaked all of the wikileaks intel or not to aid Panetta in his plan is undetermined, but thats another conspiracy.

With the SEAL team ready to strike, and Clinton harping on Obama about election consequences, Panatta went to him and advised him of the impending strike, and told him its happening wether your on board or not.

Obama took 16 hours to consider the situation before coming back and putting the presidents approval on the mission.

After the success of the mission, Obama and his spin team made the announcement. He took full credit for the success, even though the mission was a culmination of his own failures to end the bush policies and establish his own legacy.
 
^Sounds good to me
 
'US killed Bin Laden clone in Pakistan'

"The US operation that allegedly killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan has actually led to the death of a clone of the al-Qaeda leader, working under CIA operative Raymond Davis, an American editor says. "The real bin Laden died years ago after receiving treatment in American hospitals for his various illnesses," said Gordon Duff, senior editor of Ohio-based Veterans Today, in an interview with Press TV's US Desk. "His [bin Laden] body was frozen and kept in storage for a date when it would be of advantage to the United States to use it for maximum advantage," Duff wrote in a May 9 article titled 'Was Raymond Davis CIA's Bin Laden Handler?'
According to the US intelligence community, bin Laden's body was recovered in 2001 by American Special Forces in Afghanistan, Duff says. "The CIA maintained a safe house at Abbottabad [where it] kept agents right next to the compound that 'bin Laden' was allegedly [killed] at," Duff said. Duff went on to say that the CIA facility next door to the alleged bin Laden's compound was filled with armed agents possibly protecting the phony bin Laden.
Duff also emphasized on the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has failed to present any evidence linking bin Laden to the September 11 terrorist attacks on the US soil about ten year ago. Analysts have raised serious questions as to why US officials did not allow for the application of a DNA test to formally confirm the identity of the corpse before his burial at sea."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/180564.html
 
Sounds like a nice conspiracy, but has less credibility than obama. considering your source is Ahmadinejad's state run press, i dont think id give this much attention.

Raymond Davis didnt work for the CIA, by the way...he worked for Blackwater, or what ever its called now. A controversial Mercenary contractor isnt not exactly great cover for a deep covert cia agent whose job it is to handle the most hunted man in the world.


By the way......

good to see you posting again.

Every one expected some response from you onthe killing of OBL...and when none came, we got a bit worried you had been dropped to the bottom of the ocean =)
 
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