OVER WEIGHT TICKETS SUCK!

Most of the questions regarding weighted tags are covered HERE.

Rather than make a $250-300 wheeling weekend a $500+ weekend... I ponied up for a weighted tag back when I got the Ferd.
Truck = 6000# (both the old F250 4x4 and the current D350 scaled the same)
Trailer = 2200#
Jeep = 4000#
That leaves 800# (and reportedly another 999# "leeway" to the next 1000# tag) for trail/camping gear on my 13K# tag.

While you may "save money" doing the tickets over the tags, there's a VERY strong chance that should you ever have an accident... the insurance company will hang you out to dry! POR had several threads chronicling folks towing over the GVWR or under-tagged in accidents. The outcome (complete financial ruin after the civil suits + criminal charges & jail time) should scare all of us!
 
i saw to tahoe hps this last week in asheville pulling the scales on a jeep wrangler with a small enclosed trailer with like a power washer and agian with a 4runner and a landscape trailer i think its there way to "stimulate" the economy or just be extra safe
 
rottiedog said:
What makes a RV a RV? Can I mount a toilet in the bed of my M35A2 and call it a RV? Don't have weighted tags but don't tow much. Does it need weighted tags if you carry the load instead of tow?
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IF I remember correctly, you have to have several things from a list.
Restroom facility's,
Shower
Cooking facility's,
sleeping facility's
Fridge
Heat? ac

More on that list just can't remember

Now I was pulled once in my old bus, and was told by a trooper that as he said, "A recreational vehicle, pulling a recreational vehicle, all I can say folks is don't let them(the others on the road) run over you"

That said, I pull with an RV now. AM I safe?
 
I had this discussion with a lawyer friend of mine over pie and coffee at thanksgiving.

He had just recently purchased a FOrd Crew Cab long bed (gasser) to pull his fifthwheel.

As long as he's pulling the Fifthwheel. he's golden as far as non weighted tag is concerned, BUT as soon as he hooks up his boat, utlity trailer, or a car trailer, he's got to have the weighted tag. As any of those items could be considered a commerce generating vehicle.
His info was per a trooper friend of his.

What gets a lot of folks pulling ORV vehicles, is that most of us can't resist the urge to plaster our junk with STICKERS of all our performance goodies, advertising and pimping. THIS gives the appearance of a COMPETITION VEHICLE, which ALSO generates revenue ( yeah, you loose your ass in the end, but it's still the idea) Same goes with horse trailers and livesotck trailers. the possiblity of you making a buck is what it's all about.

TAX !!!

The man is gonna get his one way or another.
 
Blkvoodoo said:
I had this discussion with a lawyer friend of mine over pie and coffee at thanksgiving.
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Close. His truck weighs 7500# on its own, so it will have to have a weighted tag regardless. He could probably get by with an 8k or 9k one, though.
 
On my way to work this morning I seen a Ford F-450 pulling a trailer plastered with a landscaping companies logo and name it had a non-weighted tag...friggin burns me up.
 
All this talk and no one has yet to mention what the laws are for other states :) Typically if your legal in your home state your good as far as interstate travel. But when your not even legal in your home state you may not fare so well...

In days ago you would only have to pay weight/tax on the trailer itself for its capacity. Someone got smart and decided to tax any vehicle that might be pulling the rig for the trailers capacity.

AND to pile more on there, make sure your not out of class, pulling a trailer rated at 10,000+ requires a class A (non CDL) regardless of IF its even loaded.

If any of this sounds like to much BS and here say feel free to visit the DMV and DOT web sites they have documentation which clearly outlines most of what is being talked about here...
 
yager said:
If any of this sounds like to much BS and here say feel free to visit the DMV and DOT web sites they have documentation which clearly outlines most of what is being talked about here...
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Actually, the NCDMV website fawking sucks when it comes to anything on this subject. Got any links to the documentation you're talking about?
 
Title/Plate Fees
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registrationtitling/titlePlateFees.html

Licenses Types
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/driver_services/drivershandbook/chapter1/typesLicenses.html

License Handbook (PDF) - Page 11 covers CDL vs Regular
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/driver_services/drivershandbook/download/NCDL_English.pdf

DOT # BS
http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/hot_topics/USDOTnumber.html
FAQ
http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/hot_topics/download/USDOTnumberFAQ.pdf

NC TITLE MANUAL (I used this when I converted the Uhaul to a 'house car'
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registrationtitling/titlemanual/download/NCTitleManual.pdf

Chpt3.1 pg2 - MCO Mfg Cert Origin.

AND pg 3.1 pg 3,4 Custom Built Motor Vehicles And Trailers

AND of importance to me at one time: (Cut/Paste right out of the manual)
Section 2. Chpt1.3 page 1-2
HC House Car - Self propelled vehicles equipped with permanent living and sleeping facilities and used for camping
activities classified as private passenger vehicles. The body style of these vehicles will be designated as house cars.
A house car must provide at least 4 of the following facilities:
1. Cooking
2. Refrigeration or ice box
3. Self contained toilet
4. Heating or Air conditioning
5. Portable water supply system including a faucet and sink
6. Separate 110-125 volt electrical power supply or an LP gas supply
A conversion of a bus or truck to living and sleeping facilities and used for camping requires the certificate of title
to be surrendered for correction of the body style.
Vehicles of this class that are not permanently converted to living or sleeping facilities are classified as property
carrying vehicles and the license fee is assessed on the basis of gross weight. * Need length of motor home

(Keep in mind there are restrictions on how you can carry LP in/on the vehicle. A 20# tank setting somewhere doesn't necessarily qualify as a LP supply.

Also of interest if your making a 1 time move, your exempt from driving most CDL sized rental trucks that don't have direct air brakes.

Section 2, Chpt 3 page 1 gets into the weighted section. And curiously I just read this part....
"Effective January 1, 2003 all vehicles with a declared weight of 7,000 to 26,000 will be issued a commercial plate
showing the word “Weighted.” Vehicles weighing 26,001 through 80,000 pounds will be issued a new permanent
truck plate."

Section 2 Chpt 3 page 3 G.S. 20-88 Gets into weighted stuff... So IMHO based on the above they are appling commercial type status/regulations but simply using a different tag.
 
I have to put up with the DMV every day its no big deal to me the one thing that ruffles my feathers is the RV deal. I see these big arss rv's pulling double trailers and don't have special tags or license.
 
1BIGAZZBURBN said:
I have had my Dually tagged for 26K since about 1999. I would rather have them & not need them than to need them & not have them.You should also have a class A driver's license if your trailer has a GVWR of 10.001 lbs. or more. I've been hearing about ALOT of people getting pulled over by Trooper's in Tahoe's & pulling out the scale's.
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Not anymore, the law just changed. As of this year a class C is good up to 26,000 combined weight. The DMV's web site has not been updated yet to reflect these changes, but if you go get a new license the new weight limits are printed on the back of it.
 
Once I get my trailer tagged, If I want to get my truck and trailer weighed on a scale to determine how much weight I want to tag my truck for, would it be extremely stupid to go do that with my "regular" plates on the truck?
 
dieselfuelonly said:
Once I get my trailer tagged, If I want to get my truck and trailer weighed on a scale to determine how much weight I want to tag my truck for, would it be extremely stupid to go do that with my "regular" plates on the truck?
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Not really. Lots of guys run for years without getting caught. Of course that's not to say that you won't get a ticket, but it is somewhat unlikely. It's just not a great idea to make it a habit, that's all. From what I've seen you're most likely to get pulled on interstates and major highways, so if you can avoid those you will greatly decrease your chances of getting nabbed. If you're really worried about it try to find some scales that are really close to you, like a quarry or a metal recycling place.
 
I didn't see weighted tags on that list. I'm gonna be getting a tow rig soon. How much is a 20K weighted tag going to cost?
 
My 20K tags cost me 311.30 yesterday. I also priced 18k before I got the 20K one. The 18K tag was about 80 bucks cheaper. I really don't know why NC has gotten to be such a POS place to live. We have some of the highest taxes on fuel, vehicles and the like; but the state says now that it doesn't have enough money to pay taxes and refunds. Says alot about who we elect into office.
 
i'll be sure to wink and smile at those assholes the next time i pass through pulling my 32ft. trailer with 2 trucks on it and my regular tag and regular license. suv's and rv's ftw!:flipoff2:

threads like this are exactly why some changes/exemptions NEED to be made to this law. it is absolutely retarded that a person pays for the tags on the vehicle being towed AND the trailer, yet that doesn't count for shit towards the tow vehicle's tag.:shaking:
 
1BIGAZZBURBN said:
I have had my Dually tagged for 26K since about 1999. I would rather have them & not need them than to need them & not have them.You should also have a class A driver's license if your trailer has a GVWR of 10.001 lbs. or more. I've been hearing about ALOT of people getting pulled over by Trooper's in Tahoe's & pulling out the scale's.
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Roughshod said:
Not anymore, the law just changed. As of this year a class C is good up to 26,000 combined weight. The DMV's web site has not been updated yet to reflect these changes, but if you go get a new license the new weight limits are printed on the back of it.
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my new Class C says the following:

"ClassC: Any single vehicle with a GVWR less than 26,001 pounds and designed to transport less than 16 passengers including the driver and is not transporting hazardous materials requiring CDL endorsements and is exempt from CDL requirements. May tow a vehicle with a GVWR less than 10,001 lbs."

How exactly is this any different than what Slick stated? :shaking:
 
Caver Dave said:
How exactly is this any different than what Slick stated? :shaking:
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It's not, but it's still incorrect.

Straight from Chapter 20:

(3) Class C. – A Class C license authorizes the holder to drive any of the following:

a. A Class C motor vehicle that is not a commercial motor vehicle.

b. When operated by a volunteer member of a fire department, a rescue squad, or an emergency medical service (EMS) in the performance of duty, a Class A or Class B fire‑fighting, rescue, or EMS motor vehicle or a combination of these vehicles.

c. A combination of noncommercial motor vehicles that have a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds but less than 26,001 pounds. This sub‑subdivision does not apply to a Class C license holder less than 18 years of age.
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How exactly is this any different than what Slick stated?
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because it's exactly opposite.:flipoff2:

BIGAZZBURBAN was saying that you need a non commercial class A to pull anything with a gvwr of more than 10k lbs., even if it's empty. same as what you quoted from your license. that used to be true, but Roughshod is correct in that it is now legal to pull anything with a gvwr of 10k or more, or drive up to a 26k gvwr combination on a regular class C.

for example, my trailer is rated at like 14k (or something around there, can't remember exactly). so under the old law, even dragging the thing around totally empty, i was illegal since i didn't have a class A.

lemme see if i can dig up the info on the change in legislation from somewhere and i'll post it...
 
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