random highway-use tax

Was the cop in total view as you were driving down the highway?
If not, it is my understanding that, that is considered entrapment

Seriously doubt that. "Entrapment" is when they lure you into doing something illegal - e.g. you might make the argument that you would not have committed the illegal act if the cop had not ben involved in the first place.
Like a cop walking up and offering to sell you a bag of weed, then arresting you for taking it...
 
I learned my lesson a LONG time ago on this forum..

Dont bring your wining about any tickets of any kind here, because you will be told again and again "its your fault, get over it".
 
It probably is me because I hate stupid people and I have to tolerate them. So I gues your right the problem is me
You are not stupid...my point is stupid kills. I, you, or anybody can get in their vehicle everyday and run with morning traffic all six and eight lanes hammer down, 70 to 75. Put one guy running 65 or 60 in the mix. A mess or one woman putting eye shadow on. Speed kills I understand but most of the time the stupid decisions people make cause the problem. HP always says exceeding safe speed in any accident. At 35 head on collision will split the skull and bring fluid out of your head (dead or Veg). At 135 same thing but a bigger mess.
I have said that I have HP in the family and one has said that he tries to pull suspects of crime (drugs,drinking,..etc). He has said many times that waiting behind a bush shooting a radar gun is not POLICE WORK. Especially a family.
 
Samee goes for seatbelts? Why in the hell is it illegal to increase MY ODDS OF DIEING
Because when you decide not to buckle up and wreck and stay in the hospital forever and then die, my health insurance goes up. I am not saying me keeping cheaper insurance is worth more than your life, but if you are dead who is gonna pay your medical costs? Thats what happens when the government and insurance companies walk hand-in-hand.
 
Because when you decide not to buckle up and wreck and stay in the hospital forever and then die, my health insurance goes up. I am not saying me keeping cheaper insurance is worth more than your life, but if you are dead who is gonna pay your medical costs? Thats what happens when the government and insurance companies walk hand-in-hand.


Dont blur the lines.
I take it all the way. In my opinion, if I choose not to wear a seat belt and end up in the hospital, once the money runs out, cut me off.
Insurance should not have to pay for my stupidity.

*GASP* personal responsibility....
 
Dont blur the lines.
I take it all the way. In my opinion, if I choose not to wear a seat belt and end up in the hospital, once the money runs out, cut me off.
Insurance should not have to pay for my stupidity.
*GASP* personal responsibility....

Ron, the problem isn't just when you die or when the insurrance runs out. It's when medical servces are used at all.
For an ysingle case, it's very rare that the amount paid in by a person is equal to the amount paid out on behalf of that person. Rather, 1 of 2 things happens... either (1) you pay a lot and never use the service (what you hope for b/c it mean you're in good health), or (2) you get a "good deal" by needing a big payout due to some problem. IMO i'd rather be in case #1.

When you land in teh hospital for 3 days, go through the ER, get X-rays, MRIs, all the good quality care we expect to have theese days - it's real pricy. Actual bill could easily be $50k. Now, how much have you paid in? Well lets say $500/mo for 5 years. That's $30k. And dosn't include any otehr expenses incurred/coovered in teh last 5 years. So, where does teh rest come from? The other folks covered by thw same insurer.
At teh end of teh day, the ins co. has to zero their budget. Actually they have to make a profit to tay in business, right? So that means that all the payouts, totaled across all clients, must be LESS than all the pay-ins. When people need payouts, whether it is 1 person of the 10,000 covered, or 100 of them... all the premiums have to go up. This is where actuaries do their job, estimating the costs vs income etc etc.

So end results is, when your happy ass lands itelf in the hopital, I get to pay for it. Now since I'm caring guy, I understand if it's due to cancer, or some random accident. But if it's 'cause you weren't wearing a seat belt - that gets me pissy, 'cause that could be avoided very easily. I don't want to pay for your stubbornness.
 
Your freedom to do as you please would cost the rest of us money, and we just can't have that.

Bingo!

In fact, we'll all save a whole ton of money if everybody would just stay at home and eat nothing but vegetables and other tasteless food excercise all the time....!
 
The speed limits set today were set using 1970's vehicles as models. Today's vehicles are a hell of alot easier to control at high speeds.


that's fine until you consider that 15 and 16 year olds are on the road with NO experience and you're giving them the same right to drive faster. ALSO going faster means that you have to react that much faster to avoid accidents. faster reactions and changes in direction coupled with higher speeds is a disaster looking for a place to happen.

I know what you're saying when comparing todays technology in vehicles with that of yesteryear, but just like with our 4wd's, a better vehicle doesn't make you a better driver. ;)



oh.. and where'd Tony go?
 
My real issue with speed limits, is they're wrong.
I'm sorry, an experienced driver, that has track time, "evasive driving" experience etc etc in a high performance sports car, is not the same as an idiotic soccer mom on the cell phone, yelling at her kids hurtling along in a 65 ton Excursion.
Or the idiot with a ford mustang pulling a boat, talking on his cell phone. (Yes, I got passed by that guy yesterday)

also how many of us get popped for speeding "as it drops"?
but is it safer to gradually scrub speed, or jam on the brakes?

But that being said, until it's harder to get a license, and we enforce the other laws, aka against driving while distracted. (yes, I'm talking to you Mr Officer sitting on your laptop hurtling down 40. yes I have seen one actively using his laptop while driving.)
We are stuck with an "across the board" limit, and an artificially low one at that.
 
When people ride with me, I mandate that they wear their seatbelt, because if we get in a wreck, I don't want to get injured by them flying around the car.
 
Ron, the problem isn't just when you die or when the insurrance runs out. It's when medical servces are used at all.
For an ysingle case, it's very rare that the amount paid in by a person is equal to the amount paid out on behalf of that person. Rather, 1 of 2 things happens... either (1) you pay a lot and never use the service (what you hope for b/c it mean you're in good health), or (2) you get a "good deal" by needing a big payout due to some problem. IMO i'd rather be in case #1.
When you land in teh hospital for 3 days, go through the ER, get X-rays, MRIs, all the good quality care we expect to have theese days - it's real pricy. Actual bill could easily be $50k. Now, how much have you paid in? Well lets say $500/mo for 5 years. That's $30k. And dosn't include any otehr expenses incurred/coovered in teh last 5 years. So, where does teh rest come from? The other folks covered by thw same insurer.
At teh end of teh day, the ins co. has to zero their budget. Actually they have to make a profit to tay in business, right? So that means that all the payouts, totaled across all clients, must be LESS than all the pay-ins. When people need payouts, whether it is 1 person of the 10,000 covered, or 100 of them... all the premiums have to go up. This is where actuaries do their job, estimating the costs vs income etc etc.
So end results is, when your happy ass lands itelf in the hopital, I get to pay for it. Now since I'm caring guy, I understand if it's due to cancer, or some random accident. But if it's 'cause you weren't wearing a seat belt - that gets me pissy, 'cause that could be avoided very easily. I don't want to pay for your stubbornness.


I get all this.
I didnt make my point right.
If I get injured not wearing a seatbelt, insurance shouldd not pay a dime for MY STUPIDITY (side note I ALWAYS WEAR MY SEATBELT)...when my personal funds run out, no more tests roll me out in the street.
 
oh.. and where'd Tony go?

Heh, I think this thread went a different direction than he was expecting?

Just hire a lawyer Tony, this won't cost anything except money and yeah that section of 220 you can almost always find a cop working the cash cow.

I think the reasoning for the 55 mph is the amount of curves, "blind" entrance ramps etc in that stretch. (Whereas Greensboro maybe 60-65 mph thru the "city")
 
peekeaboo :huggy:

this thread went more/less how I expected. I wasn't whining or asking advice, just venting a little about our stupid system.

We've all seen the police come whizzing past us on the highway with no lights on. Sure they might be "working" but I'm willing to bet a good portion of the time they are just cruising. Then we've all come up on a gaggle of cars going 55 stacked across the highway, just to see a patrol car slowpoking at the speed limit....cop pulls off, traffic speeds up and sorts itself out, everyone gets some breathing room.

I just drive what feels right, I'm not trying to win the race, its not like I'm zipping around at 95mph, I just go from point A-B in what feels like a safe and reasonable manner. Honestly I don't even look at speed limit signs or my speedometer.
 
that's fine until you consider that 15 and 16 year olds are on the road with NO experience and you're giving them the same right to drive faster.

hey, im with you on this one! just conceding that the other side has a few valid points.

I prefer everyone follow the rules!
 
I just drive what feels right, I'm not trying to win the race, its not like I'm zipping around at 95mph, I just go from point A-B in what feels like a safe and reasonable manner.
i like to drive like im racing, especially when im on I-440 or i-95 with medium traffic. i normally keep it around 75-80 :driver:

j/k, sort of.................. :lol:

Honestly I don't even look at speed limit signs or my speedometer.

i dont either, i just make sure im not the fastest person on the highway. that strategy has worked well for me so far. lol
 
Was it a "rookie cop" or "Trooper Richardhead"?

I assume you got the ticket as you came into Asheboro, didn't you see the 55 MPH signs with the bright orange stripes? I don't see how anyone would claim that area is a speed trap with as well as it is marked.

As you enter the Asheboro area from the north or the south on Hwy 220 the speed reduces to 55 MPH. The "REDUCE SPEED AHEAD" signs are posted well in advance of the 55 MPH zone. The 55 MPH signs as you enter the 55 MPH zone have bright orange stripes at the top and bottom of the 55 MPH signs. Most of the troopers around here will tell you that those signs and bright orange stripes were your warning.

Good luck with the ticket.

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CORRECTION: I came into Asheboro tonight via Hwy 220 south and the 55 MPH signs as you enter the Asheboro area no longer have the orange stripes at the top and bottom as they once did. There are however two sets of the REDUCE SPEED AHEAD signs that still have the bright orange stripes at top and bottom as you enter the "speed trap".

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gotta pay to play...
I appeared on your behalf in Asheboro, NC for your speeding ticket. The charge was reduced to an improper equipment non-moving infraction and a fine of $25. The improper equipment infraction, since it is a non-moving violation, has no effect on your insurance or dmv points. The total court costs and fines are $146.00 which will pay to the Court on your behalf. My fee and costs for handeling this matter is $135.10 .
Hence, please forward payment in the total amount of $281.10
 
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