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YotaOnRocks said:
Bored and playing with chatgpt tonight. Figured if they're going to destroy stokes county with a huge AI data center, I might as well make it worth it. LOL
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I don't get all the pushback on the data centers. Im not a fan of AI and mass surveillance that *some* are used for, but the buildings themselves are not a bad thing.
 
JSJJ388 said:
I don't get all the pushback on the data centers. Im not a fan of AI and mass surveillance that *some* are used for, but the buildings themselves are not a bad thing.
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Except for the massive amount of energy to run and cool them and the physical space they occupy that was once a cow pasture, me neither.

It’s like how photos used to be physical and subject to damage. Now every pic is a 3 sec video in 4k and is stored forever. Every kind of locational data is being tracked constantly, but housing and public lands are falling into decay or being developed into a subdivision.

Billions spent on data while food comes from consistently worse sources.
 
JSJJ388 said:
I don't get all the pushback on the data centers. Im not a fan of AI and mass surveillance that *some* are used for, but the buildings themselves are not a bad thing.
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Here is one good example


This is a bit coin mine, but same principle applies.

More and more data centers are being built off the electric grid powered solely by onsite generation. That will have a massive impact on fuel (diesel and NG) prices soon.

Currently 18% of all the NG consumed in SC igoes to 2 addresses for just this reason.

The new plant being built in FtMill requires 1 gigawatt of electricity.
 
Ron said:
Here is one good example


This is a bit coin mine, but same principle applies.

More and more data centers are being built off the electric grid powered solely by onsite generation. That will have a massive impact on fuel (diesel and NG) prices soon.

Currently 18% of all the NG consumed in SC igoes to 2 addresses for just this reason.

The new plant being built in FtMill requires 1 gigawatt of electricity.
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That's close to 1.21 gigawatts, which will allow a Delorean to time travel
 
JSJJ388 said:
I don't get all the pushback on the data centers. Im not a fan of AI and mass surveillance that *some* are used for, but the buildings themselves are not a bad thing.
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From what I've read, the data center in Stokes is supposed to require more power than the current residential power demand in the entire city of Greensboro. I'm almost certain Duke Energy will pass the required infrastructure cost onto us.

I'm not sure what kind of cooling equipment or process they will use, but I'm sure there will be potential for large amounts of nasty to wind up in the river a few miles upstream of my place, if there is a failure in their equipment.
 
Ron said:
Here is one good example


This is a bit coin mine, but same principle applies.

More and more data centers are being built off the electric grid powered solely by onsite generation. That will have a massive impact on fuel (diesel and NG) prices soon.

Currently 18% of all the NG consumed in SC igoes to 2 addresses for just this reason.

The new plant being built in FtMill requires 1 gigawatt of electricity.
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Interesting. I've seen a few varieties of data center, but not one like that. I'll have to dig into it.
 
YotaOnRocks said:
From what I've read, the data center in Stokes is supposed to require more power than the current residential power demand in the entire city of Greensboro. I'm almost certain Duke Energy will pass the required infrastructure cost onto us.

I'm not sure what kind of cooling equipment or process they will use, but I'm sure there will be potential for large amounts of nasty to wind up in the river a few miles upstream of my place, if there is a failure in their equipment.
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ChatGPT says peak demand for city of Greensboro is 800-900MW. Which to match that, depending on the client, would mean a DC campus of at least 12 buildings at their peak demand, which is quite large.
Again, depends on the client, some single build designs draw more than others.

Cooling processes are also client and requirement dependent.
 
YotaOnRocks said:
From what I've read, the data center in Stokes is supposed to require more power than the current residential power demand in the entire city of Greensboro. I'm almost certain Duke Energy will pass the required infrastructure cost onto us.

I'm not sure what kind of cooling equipment or process they will use, but I'm sure there will be potential for large amounts of nasty to wind up in the river a few miles upstream of my place, if there is a failure in their equipment.
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I agree that the responsibility for upgrades should be on the customer that needs it.

The cooling is not my specialty, but I dont think its anything any more nasty than the cooling for other industrial purposes.
 
JSJJ388 said:
I agree that the responsibility for upgrades should be on the customer that needs it.

The cooling is not my specialty, but I dont think its anything any more nasty than the cooling for other industrial purposes.
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That cooling will gobble up a tremendous amount of water though. Cant cycle that cooling tower water but just so many times.
 
awheelterd said:
That cooling will gobble up a tremendous amount of water though. Cant cycle that cooling tower water but just so many times.
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Most of them now are not as water intensive.
 
orange150 said:
Depends on use case and client. Some use WAY more water than others. Most AI DCs also depend on closed loop liquid to chip cooling. To @awheelterd point I'm not sure what the refresh rate is on those closed loop systems
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Im sure they use some sort of chilled glycol in the building, but the heat extracted from that glycol has to go somewhere. Not like they have a huge geothermal system. They seem to gloss over how they actually get rid of the heat from the building, just focus on how they are not using traditional air conditioning
 
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JSJJ388 said:
I dont think its anything any more nasty than the cooling for other industrial purposes.
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You'd be wrong.
A.I. racks use water cooled processor chips.
Where before, you'd be using hot deck/cold deck air to cool a rack, now you also have to inject cooling water/glycol into the processing chip inside the rack. Multiple chips per rack.
Not only is this calling for MASSIVE amounts of chilled water for air distribution, but now chilled water for processor cooling.
And the power that this data center must be reliable. Reliable means THEY GET POWER BEFORE YOU in the event of an outage or brown out.

Think of the ocean water processors in the movie oblivion
That's an A.I. data center. More resources than you could ever imagine go into making them function

*Ron, Oblivion is a Tom Cruise movie.....Tom Cruise is a famous actor. 🤣😎😘
 
CasterTroy said:
You'd be wrong.
A.I. racks use water cooled processor chips.
Where before, you'd be using hot deck/cold deck air to cool a rack, now you also have to inject cooling water/glycol into the processing chip inside the rack. Multiple chips per rack.
Not only is this calling for MASSIVE amounts of chilled water for air distribution, but now chilled water for processor cooling.
And the power that this data center must be reliable. Reliable means THEY GET POWER BEFORE YOU in the event of an outage or brown out.

Think of the ocean water processors in the movie oblivion
That's an A.I. data center. More resources than you could ever imagine go into making them function

*Ron, Oblivion is a Tom Cruise movie.....Tom Cruise is a famous actor. 🤣😎😘
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Real data centers are redundant utility fed from separate sub stations and have full on site back up usually to an n+3 level…gotta chase those 5 9’s or uptime institute will thumb their nose at you
 
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