Rivian electric truck

I'd love a small electric truck. My daily commute is 10miles round trip. I've done more driving this week than I did all last month and I've only gone 150mi since sunday.
 
agree that its ugly, and geez the price.... but sadly that's right around par for a new nice truck these days.
400 mile range is pretty darn far. Unless you're using for a long haul. That 2 weeks of normal driving for me, and the available power is nothing to sneeze at.

I get that electric cars are coming, and people seem willing to pay these ridiculous prices for cars - but it sucks that American auto companies are basically giving up on good old small cars.
Love my Mazda3.
 
Electric cars are a scam in my book. I mean 60% of our electricity is still generated with fuels like natural gas and coal..... If they really want to impact fuel consumption and carbon emissions they would put more into algae for an oil/diesel source and use CO2 to grow it.....
 
I get that electric cars are coming, and people seem willing to pay these ridiculous prices for cars - but it sucks that American auto companies are basically giving up on good old small cars.
Love my Mazda3.

They're going where the money is, and if the sales volumes are significantly smaller for anything other than trucks/SUVs, why sell them? Public opinion is really what's driving this. If the market was there because people were buying sedans, the decision would be different, but people don't want anything that isn't HUGE apparently. As long as Honda/Toyota/Subaru/etc., are still making cars, I'm not too worried. Trucks and SUVs aren't the slightest bit fun to drive, so I'll always want at least one smaller vehicle in the garage.
 
The logistics of scaling production to anything close to a meaningful volume is insane.
If they can put a man on the Moon and robots on Mars they can make it happen. If global warming is what they claim it is they would already be CO2 scrubbers all over the planet.....
 
Electric cars are a scam in my book. I mean 60% of our electricity is still generated with fuels like natural gas and coal..... ..

This is a point that I think many people miss. Just because you are driving an electric car doesn't mean you are not contributing to environmental pollution. When you plug that car in at night, the Belews Creek power plant 10 miles up the road throws more coal in the furnace.
 
They're going where the money is, and if the sales volumes are significantly smaller for anything other than trucks/SUVs, why sell them? Public opinion is really what's driving this. If the market was there because people were buying sedans, the decision would be different, but people don't want anything that isn't HUGE apparently. As long as Honda/Toyota/Subaru/etc., are still making cars, I'm not too worried. Trucks and SUVs aren't the slightest bit fun to drive, so I'll always want at least one smaller vehicle in the garage.
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This is a point that I think many people miss. Just because you are driving an electric car doesn't mean you are not contributing to environmental pollution. When you plug that car in at night, the Belews Creek power plant 10 miles up the road throws more coal in the furnace.
Yes, but with all the regulations on power plants, is the emissions really worse than fossil fuel cars?

But looking long term, electric cars becoming the norm means the power grid must get better. The most logical solution to that is putting solar panels on houses, other than waste generated by disposing of the batteries after they reach end of life.
 
I wouldn't mind one. With all that battery weight down low, it will probably handle pretty well. Be good for commuting if you have an elec hookup spot to park in. I like the Bollinger rig as well - it's electric and runs IFS/IRS with portals.
 
Yes, but with all the regulations on power plants, is the emissions really worse than fossil fuel cars?

But looking long term, electric cars becoming the norm means the power grid must get better. The most logical solution to that is putting solar panels on houses, other than waste generated by disposing of the batteries after they reach end of life.

I don't know which produces more pollution, the car burning gasoline or the power plant burning coal, but either way pollution is happening. They both have regulations on them. I get tired of hearing the green/zero emission crap when it isn't true.

The only car that is zero emissions is this one:

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The power grid is another good point I too have brought up before. If every house has 2+ cars plugged in every night, can the power lines buried down the side of the road handle that load?
 
I don't know which produces more pollution, the car burning gasoline or the power plant burning coal, but either way pollution is happening. They both have regulations on them. I get tired of hearing the green/zero emission crap when it isn't true.

The power grid is another good point I too have brought up before. If every house has 2+ cars plugged in every night, can the power lines buried down the side of the road handle that load?

The grid is a real problem. One that is going to get more attention in the next 5 years. Areas of SC are tapping capacity now. Brownouts happened this summer in select areas of Spartanburg County. "Allegedly" certain utility providers created maintenance blackouts to hide brown outs.

Coal is definitely a polluter, but what about Hydro? What about Nuclear?

In SC for example
Nuclear is 58%
Hydro is 2%
while
Natural Gas is 17% and Coal is 22%

NC by contrast
Nuclear is 33%
Hydro is 3%
Solar 3%
Natural Gas is 30%
Coal is 29%

Back-asswards SC leads the nation in Nuclear utilization for energy.

They're going where the money is, and if the sales volumes are significantly smaller for anything other than trucks/SUVs, why sell them? Public opinion is really what's driving this. If the market was there because people were buying sedans, the decision would be different, but people don't want anything that isn't HUGE apparently. As long as Honda/Toyota/Subaru/etc., are still making cars, I'm not too worried. Trucks and SUVs aren't the slightest bit fun to drive, so I'll always want at least one smaller vehicle in the garage.

Its a weird self-fulfilled prophecy. Car companies spent the 00's pushing larger SUVs, Trucks and crossovers because profit margins were better. Now that people have bought the marketing hype...the car demand is waning.

Yes, but with all the regulations on power plants, is the emissions really worse than fossil fuel cars?

But looking long term, electric cars becoming the norm means the power grid must get better. The most logical solution to that is putting solar panels on houses, other than waste generated by disposing of the batteries after they reach end of life.
The grid has to get better for sure. But Im not sure solar is the answer. Not the way we use it today. Forget batteries. Its the cells themselves that are such a huge environmental burden. Producing the necessary silicate loads is way more harmful than typical fossil fuel emissions...and that says nothign about disposal of old PV cells.
 
If they can put a man on the Moon and robots on Mars they can make it happen. If global warming is what they claim it is they would already be CO2 scrubbers all over the planet.....
The reason those first two things happened is b/c the people and gov put a HUGE focused effort behind it.
There aren't CO2 scrubbers everywhere b/c so many people in the right positions of power don't listen to the scientists, and no consolidated effort has been made.
Humans can pull off amazing shit, but it takes consolidating effort and having the support of the government (and $$$$$)
 
This is a point that I think many people miss. Just because you are driving an electric car doesn't mean you are not contributing to environmental pollution. When you plug that car in at night, the Belews Creek power plant 10 miles up the road throws more coal in the furnace.
Yes, buuuut the difference in the ultimate sources is important.
While most of our electricity is from non-renewable sources, some percent of it is not, and as @Ron pointed out in SC even ah uge part is nuclear (we can debate if that is a good environmental source or not)
Meanwhile, 100% of petroleum used as a propulsion is a non-renewable source. So there is still that benefit.

And more importantly - where are the suppliers of each?
100% of our electricity sources originate in the US. And at least comes from your region of the country, so you're employing only local guys. Meanwhile when you buy gas, it may or may not have originated in Mexico, Venezuela, or even the much loved Middle East, so you are also employing those guys.
So there is a difference is domestic security as well.

re: solar, part of the problem is how we use electricity. Although our houses and distribution methods are based on AC, most of the devices we use every day that make life wonderful are based on DC, so they have their own AC/DC converter. But solar is inherently DC, and has to be stored via battery, then to fit the current house usage, converted to AC (there is always an inefficiency loss here), only to be changes right back at the device level.
That's just dumb and a huge waste.
I'm wondering how long it will be before the construction and electronic standards industries gets the point we can just make all-DC houses...
 
The only car that is zero emissions is this one:

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Still not emissions free... Fred needs energy to yabadabadoo the car down the road, he pulls into a drive through and gets a dino-taco and 30minutes later has the bubble guts. Relieves the pressure and out comes methane gas, an ozone depleter.

I have always wondered where these EV owners think that the power comes from...
 
The grid is a real problem. One that is going to get more attention in the next 5 years. Areas of SC are tapping capacity now. Brownouts happened this summer in select areas of Spartanburg County. "Allegedly" certain utility providers created maintenance blackouts to hide brown outs.

Coal is definitely a polluter, but what about Hydro? What about Nuclear?

Back-asswards SC leads the nation in Nuclear utilization for energy.


The grid has to get better for sure. But Im not sure solar is the answer. Not the way we use it today. Forget batteries. Its the cells themselves that are such a huge environmental burden. Producing the necessary silicate loads is way more harmful than typical fossil fuel emissions...and that says nothign about disposal of old PV cells.

Nuclear for whatever reason still scares the shit out of people, yet they are effective plants. There is risk with all of these power plants but people just choose to cherry pick whichever one to support that most likely aligns with their beliefs or level of uneducation. Sounds familiar in today's society.

A few clients and I were having a similar conversation at a show earlier this year as they are in the power testing field and every single one brought up the fact that everyone seems to miss the impact of silicate and lithium mining and its impacts on the environment. Its almost as if the majority just think that these batteries just magic themselves out of low environmental impact components. One of the biggest things that I found interesting is that they regularly see drops in a PV panel's efficiency between the time that it is built and the time it is actually hooked up in an array, essentially shortening its lifespan. Which in turn does no good if the panel sits on site at an array inactive for an extended period of time before it actually generates power into the array and subsequent grid. Cyclical problem of heavy environmental impact to produce, claimed lifespan, actual lifespan and needing to replace that piece. Another integral piece of info that is not really passed along to the masses.
 
Still not emissions free... Fred needs energy to yabadabadoo the car down the road, he pulls into a drive through and gets a dino-taco and 30minutes later has the bubble guts. Relieves the pressure and out comes methane gas, an ozone depleter.

I have always wondered where these EV owners think that the power comes from...
Energy aside, electric vehicles fit the American population of today much better. Think no oil, no gas, no brakes, no tune up, no emissions equipment. All those things that disrupt your daily life that most people don't want to do and tend to neglect. While the current battery replacement cost might make it all a wash over the long run, many EV owners likely won't have them long enough to see that.
 
Since we're kinda on the subject of alternate fuels. I've been binge watching the show Mountain Men on Amazon prime. There is a episode where Eustace Conway (the guy that lives in Asheville) converted his Toyota truck to run off of fire wood. When I first seen it I was like there is no way this shit would work, and it's all for a TV show. But a quick Google search says that it's actually a real thing people can do. I haven't dug much into it on how it actually works or how much it costs, just found it interesting. Anyone else heard of this or possibly had any experience with it?

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I’ll do my part in helping the environment by NOT buying a new vehicle. I’ll keep driving my 94 Toyota pickup. It’s only carbon footprint anymore is the gas and oil it uses.

How much energy was used to manufacture these new vehicles? Raw materials, component assembly, transportation to the assembly plant, energy used at the component assembly and main assembly plants, transportation to the point of sale, energy used by the dealer, and all of the people involved in the manufacture of every single piece driving to work and back.

I would almost bet a paycheck that me driving my old POS for the next 10 years will be more environmentally friendly than buying a new electric vehicle.
 
Since we're kinda on the subject of alternate fuels. I've been binge watching the show Mountain Men on Amazon prime. There is a episode where
Conway (the guy that lives in Asheville) converted his Toyota truck to run off of fire wood. When I first seen it I was like there is no way this shit would work, and it's all for a TV show. But a quick Google search says that it's actually a real thing people can do. I haven't dug much into it on how it actually works or how much it costs, just found it interesting. Anyone else heard of this or possibly had any experience with it?

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Hate to burst your bubble, but every single thing on that show about turtle island is fake. Eustace started out with great intentions, but became a business man many years ago. He is a crook, and has done so many questionable things in the last 5 years I hate to admit he lives up this way, not in assville.
 
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