Security Cameras

Most of what I see has small storage. I want at least 6tb of memory do I can record an entire week.
 
If the camera can't read a license plate at 50ft under all lighting conditions, you're wasting your money.
 
I've installed a few of these, ranging the high end (Bosch), mid range (Honeywell) and the cheap ebay/walmart ones. Spend a little more...only invest in 1080 w/ night vision and get a decent drive. They claim 30 days recording at 1080 usually when it is in a "motion activated" mode...which lends itself to miss things. Also, how many cameras are you planning to run? More cameras require a larger storage drive. You can also change the fps to extend record time, but you want good quality. Crappy video will just prove that somebody did steal your stuff! Chances are you can do a very clean and professional install yourself. Nowadays, pretty much ANY of the systems are going to allow you to remote monitor via computer/tablet/smartphone. I'd look to a good midrange system (samsung, honeywell, etc)...
 
I went with 2TB, records only motion. However, the drive stays full of moving leaves, bugs, snakes, deer, raccoons and FedEx/UPS drivers. I was surprised how many people (and stray dogs) walk up to my door during the day.
 
Planning on 6-8 cameras for house and garage. I may end up with a cheap eBay set for inside garage but for now I've borrowed a couple of game cameras
 
The way I see it. If I'm a typical thief driving by, I look and see a "security cameras" sign and see the actual cameras (especially lit up at night), I think I would be 99% inclined to pass...

The best system is a barking dog inside but they can be maintenance.

The next thing to consider is a sign posted saying something about "Protected by Smith and Wesson".

Thiefs are usually greedy bastards that think they can bust in and be out in 3 minutes and make enough money to buy that night's whore / crack refill / whatever. The last thing they actually want is confrontation with an owner risking their lives over the whore / crack.

That said, since I was broke into in broad daylight with hands down looks of "NOBODY'S HOME COME ROB ME", I ALWAYS keep a car or 4 in the driveway now.

Also my heavy solid wood doors I replaced the wimpy fiberglass ones with will tell me the next greedy bastard for they will have a limp the rest of their fk'n life...

My fiberglass front door only took 1 blow by a foot that was like a size 6-7. Kid punk with no job I'm sure. But it just buckled and split at the seams in half. Didn't even mess my door jam up.
 
Keep in mind without the sign posted that is visible from the entrance, you have nothing in court according to the police men that investigated me. Cameras usually don't come with that.
 
6BangBronk said:
Keep in mind without the sign posted that is visible from the entrance, you have nothing in court according to the police men that investigated me. Cameras usually don't come with that.
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I'm not finding any evidence, legally, to back up your statement.

Three conditions have to be met for the footage to be admissable.

In short:

Footage has to be kept securely, with limited access, to ensure it has not been tampered with or edited, and must include a date and time stamp.

The audio from such footage may or may not be admissable due to one party consent law interpretation.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim?

I definitely agree, the posted signage and a dog definitely help, as well as appearing that someone is home.


Any of the experts on here, can you recommend sites to purchase equipment from?

I'm capable to install my own system, and willing to source different cameras and drives, just not sure what are the better things to look for and buy, and where from.

My specs, not to hijack the thread:

I want 4 to 8 cameras, night vision, etc, enough storage for a month, and ability to monitor remotely.

This kit has all of that, but I don't know if it's worth the $$ or find build my own kit.

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Hmmm. It is stated for 13 states specifically but I could not find NC. Just going on what my local enforcement told me that day.

Since I couldn't find anything specifically for NC, each his own I guess if you're a gambler... I'm the type that likes to cover my ass in every way possible. But that's just me? Sure would ruin a day if the judge that specific day asked if I had a sign posted before kicking out my video...

Until someone can come up with better judgment, Scout's motto applies here.
 
6BangBronk said:
The way I see it. If I'm a typical thief driving by, I look and see a "security cameras" sign and see the actual cameras (especially lit up at night), I think I would be 99% inclined to pass...
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I guess you've never heard of YouTube? They have shit tons of videos that people have posted of their junk getting stolen. You can barely identify what sort of vehicle it is, much less recognize a face or read a license plate.

My favorite was the dude that stole somebody's trailer out of their driveway seconds before the homeowners arrived.

I looked at it about a year ago, and figured I'd have to spend $2-300/ea minimum per camera to have something that was useful in court. That's not counting $100 for the POE router, cables, or adding hard drives to the server.
 
shawn said:
I guess you've never heard of YouTube? They have shit tons of videos that people have posted of their junk getting stolen. You can barely identify what sort of vehicle it is, much less recognize a face or read a license plate.

My favorite was the dude that stole somebody's trailer out of their driveway seconds before the homeowners arrived.

I looked at it about a year ago, and figured I'd have to spend $2-300/ea minimum per camera to have something that was useful in court. That's not counting $100 for the POE router, cables, or adding hard drives to the server.
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So it's safe to say the thieves now days keep ladders so they can climb up on roof eaves to read what brand / type of cameras you have before deciding if it's a good idea or not to risk breaking in.
 
My cheap Chinese camera clearly identified a Duke Energy logo from a side of a truck doing at LEAST 55-60 mph from about 60-70 feet.

Until I get broke into again, I'm going to safely insist that my cameras with sign posted did the job.
 
Disclaimer: Havent researched or reviewed this in 10 years for NC. It may have changed. It was 100% accurate in 2003, I actually sat on the NCASLB (NC Alarm System Licensing Board) when we were asked by Raleigh to help draft the verbiage. I know SC but not important to most and its is confusing so I'm skipping it.

In NC as of 2003 inside a private residence where you were not explicitly invited by one of the homeowners you had no assumption of privacy and anything recorded was admissible.

Translation: Break in is admissible. Cheating wife invites duder in, husband cant use video as proof of adultery.
(I suspect this is where your cop got confused)

Outside the residence things get tricky. If the camera can only see your private property then it is unilaterally admissible as above, so long as you weren't invited. If it can see public property, I.E. the road, then a good lawyer gets the entire footage thrown out because of voyeurism laws.

Sound easy enough. EXCEPT...since it cant see the public area it cant see when the bad guy enters the no fly zone and he has all sorts of alibis. "I heard a child crying" I thought I heard someone scream help."


Oh yeah. Even on your own land, do not record audio outside. This gets really tricky and is actually legal in NC. However it can be a violation of federal anti wire tapping laws to record anyone's conversation without their knowledge. That is why all the phone systems say "This call may be recorded"...in NC and SC for example the law only requires 1 party to know they are being recorded. (I.E. the recorder) for it to be legal. But if the transmission system crosses a state line at any point (and in the internet network environment we currently live in it ALWAYS does) it becomes a federal matter not a state matter.
 
Ron said:
Disclaimer: Havent researched or reviewed this in 10 years for NC. It may have changed. It was 100% accurate in 2003, I actually sat on the NCASLB (NC Alarm System Licensing Board) when we were asked by Raleigh to help draft the verbiage. I know SC but not important to most and its is confusing so I'm skipping it.

In NC as of 2003 inside a private residence where you were not explicitly invited by one of the homeowners you had no assumption of privacy and anything recorded was admissible.

Translation: Break in is admissible. Cheating wife invites duder in, husband cant use video as proof of adultery.
(I suspect this is where your cop got confused)

Outside the residence things get tricky. If the camera can only see your private property then it is unilaterally admissible as above, so long as you weren't invited. If it can see public property, I.E. the road, then a good lawyer gets the entire footage thrown out because of voyeurism laws.

Sound easy enough. EXCEPT...since it cant see the public area it cant see when the bad guy enters the no fly zone and he has all sorts of alibis. "I heard a child crying" I thought I heard someone scream help."


Oh yeah. Even on your own land, do not record audio outside. This gets really tricky and is actually legal in NC. However it can be a violation of federal anti wire tapping laws to record anyone's conversation without their knowledge. That is why all the phone systems say "This call may be recorded"...in NC and SC for example the law only requires 1 party to know they are being recorded. (I.E. the recorder) for it to be legal. But if the transmission system crosses a state line at any point (and in the internet network environment we currently live in it ALWAYS does) it becomes a federal matter not a state matter.
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So then should the video camera sign also include disclaimer for audio/video recording on theses premises?

Thanks for the info.
 
all my comments assume no sign.

Honestly a sign is worthless for admissibility in my opinion. It is not worthless for deterrence.

No matter what your sign says its going to be picked apart by a good lawyer.
 
Ron said:
It is not worthless for deterrence.
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This...

We had issues for years straight where I work in Raleigh. Survey trucks broken into overnight repetitively with their batteries stolen, building glass was busted once for a laptop grab and on SEVERAL occasions the first one into the parking lot had to keep a phone handy to show the boss who they found asleep under the trees out front due to a major homeless hub right down the road. They placed 2 "video in use signs" up 2 years ago and have not had a single instance since.
As for what system got installed??? :smokin:

:shaking::shaking::shaking:

I'd rather not even get to the point of having to defend video in court... Nip it in the bud before it even happens.:beer:
 
Which leads me to fall back on the better option all together here is an alarm system of some kind consisting of the sounds of LOUD BARKING DOGS IN THE HOUSE!!! If not the real thing.

Problem solved for everything inside anyways. Outside still left with the dilemma.
 
6BangBronk said:
So it's safe to say the thieves now days keep ladders so they can climb up on roof eaves to read what brand / type of cameras you have before deciding if it's a good idea or not to risk breaking in.
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Don't post stupid shit. Go back and read my post. Now post the screen grab from your camera that shows how it can read a license plate parked at an oblique angle to the camera in spite of the setting sun causing solar flare on the lens. That's the point. Cameras are everywhere. Damn near everything that we design gets covered in them. But most of those cameras are useless for conclusively identifying a person or vehicle in a court of law.

If you think signs and cameras are deterrence enough, then go buy a sign and a bunch of fake cameras. They're a lot cheaper than the real ones.
 
you might be surprised how many times a camera CAN help.

I mean I dont need a tag to see a Silver Dodge truck with a creased bedside.
And if I can then find my shit at the home of said truck...
Your point is very valid, though you might be surprised how good cheap auto PTZ cameras have become
 
If they are so useless in court why does the news and police post video of suspects ask the time?
 
GotWood said:
If they are so useless in court why does the news and police post video of suspects ask the time?
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Do you think Captain Higgins would be on crime stoppers if he could tell who that is?

 
GotWood said:
If they are so useless in court why does the news and police post video of suspects ask the time?
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b/c things don't have be court admissible evidence to release it in the press!
We see that all the time...

Just b/c something isn't "court evidence" doesn't mean it's not useful
 
To get this back on topic I currently have a outdated sort of working indoor camera system that go's to a dedicated pc with 2tb drive the cameras are non HD and there for liability only so they run during my business hours 11am to 9 pm they do work but they suck and it's a pain to search through them and can't upgrade past windows xp or everything crashes and three remote view option is crap I want something new but need 8 cameras and need to store for a long time but motion only is fine for my situation. But really don't want to spend the 6k company's will charge me so let's hear some opinions again indoor only but 10,000 sqf so some runs will be long thanks for your help
 
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