Self Defense Classes

adman02

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Location
Durham, NC
Serious question on the heels of the Mollie Tibbets case: what's a good option for women's/girl's self-defense classes? I live in Durham.

Thanks.
 
adman02 said:
Serious question on the heels of the Mollie Tibbets case: what's a good option for women's/girl's self-defense classes? I live in Durham.

Thanks.
Click to expand...

I’d reach out to the guys at RangerUp. They regularly post up about open grappling sessions for all skill levels. They may be able to turn you on to someone locally with some decent credentials.
 
adman02 said:
Serious question on the heels of the Mollie Tibbets case: what's a good option for women's/girl's self-defense classes? I live in Durham.

Thanks.
Click to expand...

Send me a pm I own a karate school in Raleigh and have a female teacher that dose this at the local collages and can come do them for you


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Personal opinion, concealed carry. Find a good (former military) (blue ridge marksmanship) weapons instructor. Not only will eliminating the threat save your loved one, it will most likely save many others.
 
BrianGreen said:
Personal opinion, concealed carry. Find a good (former military) (blue ridge marksmanship) weapons instructor. Not only will eliminating the threat save your loved one, it will most likely save many others.
Click to expand...


While I agree whole-heartedly with this, the understanding I have with the Mollie Tibbets case was that she went out for a jog. She appears to be a rather petite girl and in jogging attire would have been pretty obvious that she was carrying. I've seen some holsters that can be concealed in jogging attire for women, but they don't look like they would be comfortable on the jog itself. Any suggestions?
 
ManglerYJ said:
While I agree whole-heartedly with this, the understanding I have with the Mollie Tibbets case was that she went out for a jog. She appears to be a rather petite girl and in jogging attire would have been pretty obvious that she was carrying. I've seen some holsters that can be concealed in jogging attire for women, but they don't look like they would be comfortable on the jog itself. Any suggestions?
Click to expand...


With the holster options today, you can hide a gun any where. ANY. WHERE. A good friend of mine carries a Kharr 9mm in a belly band around her waist and a NAA 22 mag on a necklace down her bra for a backup. Youd never see either of them til she shot you!

I dont know anybody around durham for good training.
 
Last edited:
That said, I also highly reccomend some hand to hand training, at least enough to break free from someone long enough to give them lead poisoning. If someone has a hold of you, itll be hard to get your gun. You need at least the basics to be well rounded in your defense.
 
karatejosh said:
Send me a pm I own a karate school in Raleigh and have a female teacher that dose this at the local collages and can come do them for you


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...


This, and if you have children. This three times. My daughter is a brown belt in Shodokan, she achieved this at the age of 9. I know as a child, the actual knowledge is limited. She has the basics, and can still defend pretty well.


And carry a weapon at ALL TIMES.
 
Jeff B said:
This, and if you have children. This three times. My daughter is a brown belt in Shodokan, she achieved this at the age of 9. I know as a child, the actual knowledge is limited. She has the basics, and can still defend pretty well.


And carry a weapon at ALL TIMES.
Click to expand...
Even a good blade is better than nothing. Just remember, there are no winners in a knife fight.
 
BrianGreen said:
Personal opinion, concealed carry. Find a good (former military) (blue ridge marksmanship) weapons instructor. Not only will eliminating the threat save your loved one, it will most likely save many others.
Click to expand...

Both. I don't know the OP, but if he's thinking about a wife who can't carry at work, or daughter in school, or under 21, CC is out.
 
ManglerYJ said:
While I agree whole-heartedly with this, the understanding I have with the Mollie Tibbets case was that she went out for a jog. She appears to be a rather petite girl and in jogging attire would have been pretty obvious that she was carrying. I've seen some holsters that can be concealed in jogging attire for women, but they don't look like they would be comfortable on the jog itself. Any suggestions?
Click to expand...
Looking at her missing poster, at 5'2" and 120lbs, she had a good 25lbs on my wife, and similar height. Using a soft pocket holster or compression shorts holster, she is able to appendix carry with almost zero print with a small .380. Neither of us have been very active in a while, but are trying to get back into it. She never mentioned any discomfort, though I would imagine that positioning would be a bit in the way during stretching, sitting, etc. She typically has the kids with her and just throws it in a pocket of the stroller.

That being said, I really do like the idea of investing in some hand to hand self defense for her and my two girls.
 
JSJJ388 said:
That said, I also highly reccomend some hand to hand training, at least enough to break free from someone long enough to give them lead poisoning. If someone has a hold of you, itll be hard to get your gun. You need at least the basics to be well rounded in your defense.
Click to expand...


I agree. Most statistics back this up as well. You need to get distance between you and your attacker to give you the few seconds you need to ready your weapon and punch some holes.
 
Wow! Thanks for all of the responses. My wife is small (5'3" and 120lbs - similar to Mollie Tibbetts) and my daughter is only 13 (taller than her mother already). I just want both of them to be feel prepared and capable if/when something like this occurs.
 
I always carry a knife, even at the gym or running. I dunno, I guess it's cause I'm from the mountains? Just seems unnatural to not have one at all times?

But I recommend getting your womenfolk a gun they like, in a caliber they like to shoot.

For example, my wife's gun is a .22 Bersa Thunder. She's a little odd in the sense that she has a muscular disease which makes her weak and she is very recoil/ka-boom shy. But she loves shooting it. (Heck, I love shooting it.)

My point is, if your wife/daughter likes the gun and enjoys shooting it, they are more likely to carry it and become proficient. And if they dislike the gun, they won't carry or practice. And what good is owning a hammer - if you never have it when you need it, and don't know how to swing it?

There's something with husbands buying their wives snub-nose .38s and sending them to Conceal Carry classes with no prior shooting experience. For the love of all that is good, please stop.

And yes, folks can poo-pah the little .22 all they want.

But I'd rather shoot a would-be rapist in the face with that caliber than try to gouge their eyes out with my thumbs any day.
 
Atla said:
I always carry a knife, even at the gym or running. I dunno, I guess it's cause I'm from the mountains? Just seems unnatural to not have one at all times?

But I recommend getting your womenfolk a gun they like, in a caliber they like to shoot.

For example, my wife's gun is a .22 Bersa Thunder. She's a little odd in the sense that she has a muscular disease which makes her weak and she is very recoil/ka-boom shy. But she loves shooting it. (Heck, I love shooting it.)

My point is, if your wife/daughter likes the gun and enjoys shooting it, they are more likely to carry it and become proficient. And if they dislike the gun, they won't carry or practice. And what good is owning a hammer - if you never have it when you need it, and don't know how to swing it?

There's something with husbands buying their wives snub-nose .38s and sending them to Conceal Carry classes with no prior shooting experience. For the love of all that is good, please stop.

And yes, folks can poo-pah the little .22 all they want.

But I'd rather shoot a would-be rapist in the face with that caliber than try to gouge their eyes out with my thumbs any day.
Click to expand...
Same here. Always a knife. I just feel naked without it. People scoff at the 22, but theres been a lot folks killed and a lot of deer poached with the 22s. Carry a little NAA 22mag daily.

My great aunts son bought her a Walther P22 two years ago, loaded it, and set it on her wardrobe. Told her "if someone breaks in, just point it and start shooting"..... I found it the other week when I was helping her with something and she didnt even know where the safety was. I spent the evening giving her a basic gun safety course and by the dark she was popping drink cans at 5 yards with that little gun. Ive been back weekly to shoot with her and teach her some more in depth stuff. Blows my mind the stupidity of some folks.
 
JSJJ388 said:
Same here. Always a knife. I just feel naked without it. People scoff at the 22, but theres been a lot folks killed and a lot of deer poached with the 22s. Carry a little NAA 22mag daily.
Click to expand...

Many years ago, I came across some statistics that more police officers were killed with a .22 than any other caliber. I reckoned it was due to commonality of the caliber.
 
I think taking a concealed carry class and additional firearms training as well as self defense should be in order. I have been working with my wife and a few things. But I usually care 1-2 knives on me at all times as well as a firearm. Never know when your primary source of defense may fail and need a back up.
 
Just tell them to put on some weight. You never hear about fat girls getting abducted. Not sure if because they don't want them or they can't tote them but either way they're normally pretty safe.
 
Guys I’m a avid shooter also but your can’t count on that in most cases like this she would not have time to get the weapon out or it would most likely be used against her (look up the statistics) the next thing to bring into play is fight or flight or freeze these are the 3 natural emotions humans have when attacked women freeze almost always without training as well as a lot of males there is nothing wrong with them it’s natural to panic you must train so that what ever form of defense you choose is as natural as walking we are talking hundreds of hours here for the body to naturally react in a state of panic I always tell people if you want a weapon to work it needs to be in your hand not in your truck or your purse


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
mommucked said:
Pepper spray and stun guns are nice too, they also can be held in the hand while walking/jogging etc.
Click to expand...

There was a case, meh, about 12 years ago a few towns over.

Guy tries to abduct woman, she pepper sprays him, manages to get in her car, he shoots and kills her even though he can barely see.

Not saying that pepper spray doesn't have it's place, it does for non-lethal crowd control. But for personal protection, I don't think so. I figure, pepper spraying someone is an 'assault' on their person. Kind of like kicking someone in the groin. Except kicking someone in the groin is more likely to work than pepper spraying. (Buy one of those shitty key chain cans and give it a try.) If the situation didn't warrant it, expect to be sued. If the situation DID warrant it, you should be in fear of grievous bodily harm(assault/rape) or death(which is permanent) - which is sufficient for either sticking a pistol in someones face to make them stop or pulling the trigger on them until they do.

Anyone worth pepper spraying, is worth shooting.

Anyone worth tasering, is also worth shooting.

karatejosh said:
Guys I’m a avid shooter also but your can’t count on that in most cases like this she would not have time to get the weapon out or it would most likely be used against her (look up the statistics)
Click to expand...

What statistics are you using? Because that is the sort of incorrect information that leads to people making wrong decisions that may save their life.

Back in the 1990's, the CDC did a study and squashed it after the results didn't fit the narrative of the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban that sent people to jail for years for having one more cosmetic feature than allowed. Like a bayonet lug. Never mind that no one in America has been bayoneted since the Civil War era... Got one AND a detachable magazine AND a collapsible stock? GASP!

Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. See you in 5 to 10 years.

But I digress.

NARRATIVE FAIL: Newly Discovered CDC Surveys Demolish Anti-Gun Talking Points

The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995). .... CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.
Click to expand...

Let's do some math. Women make up 50.8% of the population. (I'm guessing because they don't do stupid stuff when they are young like men do. Like sticking firecrackers in their butts and playing superman off roof tops).

Using the CDC numbers... 2.46 million divided by 50.8% equals 1,249,680 women who have 'admitted' to defensively using a firearm per year. (By the way, I suspect this number is low because we gun owners have an inherent distrust of government and answering questions about our guns. ALSO, I suspect women made up a larger percentage of the total, as they are the most likely to carry pistols and most likely to be subjects of violent attacks and creeped out by potential attackers.)

Taking the basic majority of 'most likely to be used against them'.. so 51% of 1,249,680 women - 637,336.8 women have their gun taken and used against them every year. I reckon that 0.8 lady almost, but not quite, gets the gun back from her assailant. Tough luck lady.

Knowing the numbers, do you think over 630,000 women have had their guns taken from them and used against them PER YEAR?

the next thing to bring into play is fight or flight or freeze these are the 3 natural emotions humans have when attacked women freeze almost always without training as well as a lot of males there is nothing wrong with them it’s natural to panic you must train so that what ever form of defense you choose is as natural as always tell people if you want a weapon to work it needs to be in your hand not in your truck or your purse
Click to expand...

Agree and disagree.

Owning a gun doesn't make you a gun fighter, but it is a basic requirement. Practicing regularly doesn't make you a gun fighter either. But having one on you and knowing how to use it certainly increases the odds of survival in a gun fight you may find yourself in.

I highly recommend both of those things.

And there are TWO natural emotions. Fight or flight. People naturally lean one way or the other and the situation has some influence as well. My wife leans towards flight, because she's a pacifist. I lean towards righteous violence. Because I'm not much of a people person.

(Edit - I noticed you said Freeze as the third. Missed it somehow... I think you make a good point there. And searching real quick, I see that is what they are calling it now. Makes sense. Thanks for pointing that out. I was wrong. :()

Exhibit A.

 
Last edited:
Back
Top