Since NC4x4 board is where I get all my legal advice... (Donald Trump recording)

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So CNN just dumped the first recording on us between Trump and Cohen. Initially, things look BAD for old Donald. He acknowledges that there will be a payment to that guy about that thing. So I listen to the whole recording, and things start to look bad for Mr Cohen. (in my less-than-law-school-education impression).

Here's the rub, as I see it:

So, there is no indication as to where the conversation took place, which is relevant to determining if Donald's consent was needed to record him. Taking a scientific-wild-ass-guess, I'd figure it took place in New York since he lives there and Donald has a lot of business dealings in New York. Well, New York is a one-party-consent state - which looks good for Cohen..........


Except that in the tape, there is a side conversation that is recorded between Donald and another party that has walked in the room to interrupt the conversation. That means that Cohen recorded a conversation to which he was NOT a party to....... OOPS!


What say you, oh NC4x4 legal scholars?
 
no fucks given and would not waste my time with it.
 
Frankly, I dont really care if he screwed her. And I dont care if he paid her off to keep quiet. There are a few reasons as to why I dont really care.

1. Not my dipstick, not my wife, not my problem...

2. He was not president at the time of the erm, encounter.

3. Other than the left trying to sling $h!t, it has exactly zero bearing on his presidency.

4. Nothing in the tapes indicates anything illegal transpiring. Is any of it "right" by my moral compass? No, not really. Do I think everyone has to live by my moral compass? Not a chance. If anything happened, it was clearly two consenting adults, and all parties involved lived to tell the tale, even if the werent legally supposed to...
 
I'm not sure what they are trying to get at besides a captian obvious award - Billionaire bangs models, holy moly! If he used campaign funds to pay for it, there's a problem, but you'd think by now they'd have that part figured out. The whole "we have 12 tapes!" coupled with the slowly leaking them one at a time really does nothing for the credibility of the "illegal" claim, as it only serves to draw out the reputational attack for the sake of a reputational attack. And his reputation is shit already, especially to those who aren't his fans, so I don't really get it. It's exhausting and it really serves nobody more than the president and keeping bullshit on the front page and essentially buries any other potential "real news".

On a semi-related side note, I think one of the reasons the economy is doing so well right now isn't that his policies are amazing, but that Trump keeps all the heat on Trump, and corporations can pretty much do whatever as he doesn't seem too interested in bolstering the various regulatory agencies. So the heat and eyes are off of them and they feel confident because of it.
 
Unless he paid her with campaign funds, what does it matter. He cheated on his wife, he paid some chick hush money. No one is questioning that he's not some massive sleazebag.

Now, if he used campaign funds or lied about it under oath that's another thing.

FWIW, I hate that motherfucker. I like some of what he's done but damn he's such a massive douchebag asshat.
 
Blaze said:
Unless he paid her with campaign funds, what does it matter
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This

Otherwise, no different than:
Gennifer Flowers
Juanita Broaddrick
Paula Jones
Kathleen Willey
Leslie Millwee

Time for the left to devise another scheme to overcome "Trump derangement syndrome" and move on

This only serves to prove the cheeto is no different than a klinton. I.E. different sides of the same coin
 
Back to the original question...
- Not a legal expert, but I don't think it is a legal concern that there was a recording of that second conversation between Trump and the 3rd party, because (implied) consent was given already to Trump by being on the call. When the 3rd person walks in, it's essentially a 3-way call at that point. Trump was still there. It's not like he hung up the phone or muted it and still had the recording take place. Just like a 3rd person walking into your conversation, if you don't shut up or walk away then that new guy is now part of it.

- I agree w/ all above, this is kind of irrelevant and a big "so what" aside prom proving he's a douche and a liar. Who the hell didn't know that already?

But what I find most interesting is that the release here either shows that Mueller's team really are idiots OR really are not specifically out to try and trap Trump, and also that CNN is not smart enough to play the long game.
By letting knowledge of these tapes out, and especially releasing to the public, it shows their hand and what info they have on him. If they wanted to nab him on a perjury charge, they would keep this shut tight, and ask I'm under oath about it, wait for the lie, THEN provide the evidence of the lie, so he could be charged. Now instead he knows what they have and if he has half a brain, won't lie (which, well, lets face it, may be hard for the guy b/c it seems to come instinctively for hi mto deny everything) or he'll just plead the fifth on everything.

It's just funny to me how left-leaning people/orgs are so hungry to spill dirt on Trump that they haven't figured out that if they just keep tight lipped long enough, and sit back and wait, he will inevitably bumble into breaking some law on his own. It's clear he's learning where all the legal boundaries are by just pushing against them as he goes along, not having had any experience w/ working in the Federal system OR having a team/cabinet of people who do, he's just doing what he wantes until getting negative feedback and then knowing where to stop. It seems if they had not been so eager to bring up all this stuff from his candidacy, and just waited longer he would have likely broken some much bigger law. But instead, now he knows he's under the microscope for everything.

In short... CNN et al are blowing their wad way too soon and missing the real opportunity they want so badly.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Back to the original question...
- Not a legal expert, but I don't think it is a legal concern that there was a recording of that second conversation between Trump and the 3rd party, because (implied) consent was given already to Trump by being on the call. When the 3rd person walks in, it's essentially a 3-way call at that point. Trump was still there. It's not like he hung up the phone or muted it and still had the recording take place. Just like a 3rd person walking into your conversation, if you don't shut up or walk away then that new guy is now part of it.

- I agree w/ all above, this is kind of irrelevant and a big "so what" aside prom proving he's a douche and a liar. Who the hell didn't know that already?

But what I find most interesting is that the release here either shows that Mueller's team really are idiots OR really are not specifically out to try and trap Trump, and also that CNN is not smart enough to play the long game.
By letting knowledge of these tapes out, and especially releasing to the public, it shows their hand and what info they have on him. If they wanted to nab him on a perjury charge, they would keep this shut tight, and ask I'm under oath about it, wait for the lie, THEN provide the evidence of the lie, so he could be charged. Now instead he knows what they have and if he has half a brain, won't lie (which, well, lets face it, may be hard for the guy b/c it seems to come instinctively for hi mto deny everything) or he'll just plead the fifth on everything.

It's just funny to me how left-leaning people/orgs are so hungry to spill dirt on Trump that they haven't figured out that if they just keep tight lipped long enough, and sit back and wait, he will inevitably bumble into breaking some law on his own. It's clear he's learning where all the legal boundaries are by just pushing against them as he goes along, not having had any experience w/ working in the Federal system OR having a team/cabinet of people who do, he's just doing what he wantes until getting negative feedback and then knowing where to stop. It seems if they had not been so eager to bring up all this stuff from his candidacy, and just waited longer he would have likely broken some much bigger law. But instead, now he knows he's under the microscope for everything.

In short... CNN et al are blowing their wad way too soon and missing the real opportunity they want so badly.
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Youre right. Being an outsider, he has no clue where the lines between politician and Clinton are. Being that he clearly likes to push the bounds, he likely would have ended up suicided.
 
Trump has become a huge embarrassment. He is not fit to be the president, but then neither was Hillary.
 
RatLabGuy said:
In short... CNN et al are blowing their wad way too soon and missing the real opportunity they want so badly.
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Such a rush to be "first"...reminds me of this

Denzel said:
What a responsibility you all have; to tell the truth, not to just be first, but to tell the truth
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UTfball68 said:
Hasn't the president basically been the equivalent to the Queen of England since like 1996???
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Among others, One HUGE exception: SCOTUS appointment
 
CasterTroy said:
This

Otherwise, no different than:
Gennifer Flowers
Juanita Broaddrick
Paula Jones
Kathleen Willey
Leslie Millwee

Time for the left to devise another scheme to overcome "Trump derangement syndrome" and move on

This only serves to prove the cheeto is no different than a klinton. I.E. different sides of the same coin
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I beg to differ. Trump was a private individual who had consensual relations with other adults. Bill Clinton was repeatedly accused of sexually harassing and raping women while in a position of power and influence. Harvey Weinstein has nothing on WJC when it comes to hierarchical abuse of power.
 
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Nothing more than political cock-waggling from the whiney-ass liberal snowflakes who are butthurt because they didn't even get a participation trophy in the presidential election.

Matt ( yes, I failed the PC/sensitivity training class)
 
And just like that... no one cares about the Putin meeting.

Or those illegal immigrant children from two weeks ago...

Or...whatever was before that. I don't even remember. Stormy Daniels? North Korea? EU Tariffs? UN defense? Stepping in front of the Queen in England? (GASP! SHOCK! INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT ALERT!)

It's irrelevant. The left/media/hollywood/my sister run around screaming like Chicken Little about something different every week. They get so spun up thinking that they FINALLY have a means of separating Trump from his Supporters... Meanwhile Trump's approval keeps going up as they fail miserably to make a difference.

The tape doesn't mean anything. Just because the TV tries to make it out to be a big stink, or tries to spin the muffled and mysteriously cut audio that Trump was saying pay cash (Which some talking heads are trying to mean proves his automatic guilt of... being a mobster or something) doesn't mean any of this matters.

The scenario is simple and common.

Man is popular.
Ex-GF comes forward to act like an... Ex-GF. She says she will spread truth/lies/semi-truths/scandalous/salacious things to the media.
Man realizes this will hurt his popularity. And doesn't want to deal with the drama and such to shut her down and prove her wrong.
Man gives her money to go away.
She signs documents, pockets money, and goes back to Gold Digger Ho-tel.

Nothing illegal about this, and nothing unusual. It's very common.
 
Blaze said:
Unless he paid her with campaign funds, what does it matter. He cheated on his wife, he paid some chick hush money. No one is questioning that he's not some massive sleazebag.

Now, if he used campaign funds or lied about it under oath that's another thing.

FWIW, I hate that motherfucker. I like some of what he's done but damn he's such a massive douchebag asshat.
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Atla said:
And just like that... no one cares about the Putin meeting.

Or those illegal immigrant children from two weeks ago...

Or...whatever was before that. I don't even remember. Stormy Daniels? North Korea? EU Tariffs? UN defense? Stepping in front of the Queen in England? (GASP! SHOCK! INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT ALERT!)

It's irrelevant. The left/media/hollywood/my sister run around screaming like Chicken Little about something different every week. They get so spun up thinking that they FINALLY have a means of separating Trump from his Supporters... Meanwhile Trump's approval keeps going up as they fail miserably to make a difference.

The tape doesn't mean anything. Just because the TV tries to make it out to be a big stink, or tries to spin the muffled and mysteriously cut audio that Trump was saying pay cash (Which some talking heads are trying to mean proves his automatic guilt of... being a mobster or something) doesn't mean any of this matters.

The scenario is simple and common.

Man is popular.
Ex-GF comes forward to act like an... Ex-GF. She says she will spread truth/lies/semi-truths/scandalous/salacious things to the media.
Man realizes this will hurt his popularity. And doesn't want to deal with the drama and such to shut her down and prove her wrong.
Man gives her money to go away.
She signs documents, pockets money, and goes back to Gold Digger Ho-tel.

Nothing illegal about this, and nothing unusual. It's very common.
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I did find it funny that they made out a cash payment to be some kind of mobster tie. Ummmmmmmmmm didn't Obama send a whole plane full of pallets of cash to Iran to "buy back" some hostages? That wasn't figurative "cash".... that was actuall cash!
 
Atla said:
The scenario is simple and common.

Man is popular.
Ex-GF comes forward to act like an... Ex-GF. She says she will spread truth/lies/semi-truths/scandalous/salacious things to the media.
Man realizes this will hurt his popularity. And doesn't want to deal with the drama and such to shut her down and prove her wrong.
Man gives her money to go away.
She signs documents, pockets money, and goes back to Gold Digger Ho-tel.

Nothing illegal about this, and nothing unusual. It's very common.
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Nothing illegal unless she signed a contract to not tell, in which case its a breach of contract. Why does the left care so much about Trump's dick?
 
jeepinmatt said:
Why does the left care so much about Trump's dick?
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They think it's an Achilles heel of the right.

And normally it is, they've destroyed numerous Republicans by exposing affairs in the past. The right tends to care more about things like morality more than the left. Whenever one on the right side strays the path, they usually get ruined, shamed, or voted out of office. The left... well - they walk on sewage like Jesus walked on water. Ted Kennedy, JFK, Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Robert Byrd, etc.... The turds of the left float to the top. ;)

But we all knew Trump was a playboy when we voted for him. So this has zero effect on us.

Really, we would be shocked if this sort of stuff HADN'T happened.
 
Everyone says he’s an embarrassment.
What has he done? Stick to his word?
Not be the worlds butt-lickin lapdog like he last one?

And as far as the “Queen” goes ...... simply a figure head. No real power. The British PM is seat of power in England.

IMHO- he should walk in like he owns the place.
 
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