tarheel 4x4

eXJunkie

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hey guys, just thought id let you know Im new to the Charlotte area and love 4 wheelin. Ive been workin hard as hell on my 88XJ tryin to get my dana 44s hooked up. I went there and spoke with Ron the owner and decided that i would have them set up my gears. I liked it that they were local. first i had a locker and gears thrown in the rear and i threw her in the jeep, it leaked. no biggie, sh&^ happens, i get it.

Then i figured id have them do the front ,droped it off and over 2 weeks went by, no call, nothin. After i had to make a stink about getting it done they finally got it done. it took almost 3 weeks to get it done. i went to pick it up and they "loaded" it in my truck. they didnt even put it back together, no diff cover on it or nothin' missing parts and they just threw the greasy ass parts inside my jeep, got grease all over everything back there, they threw a caliper holder right on top of a tranny cooler i WAS getting ready to put in and i took a look at the gears (cause they didnt put a cover on it) and discovered that they set up my new gears and bearings in a filthy nasty diff. they did NOT clean it at all. The guy that set up the gears said "i did the best I could " ....

There is way more to it I just dont want to think about how bad I feel, my butt is still sore.

Buddy, if I knew, I would never have chose you.
 
:popcorn:
 
I personally know, they have done great work,, in the past! I haven't needed any work in a few years. I know Ron, & Steve is/was?, head of the shop! There's usually 2 sides to every story;
I'd like to hear Ron, or Steve's, side, if he's still there.:confused:
 
Here we go again..... :popcorn::beer:
 
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I'm guessing we are waiting on the reply or settlement in this public court.........?
 
I'm guessing there is MUCH more to this story than we have been told.

Only been to Tarheel a handful of times, my experiences were good, and knowing they recently picked up one of the most well known persons on this site, let alone the Charlotte area 4x4 scene,

IF the things that were stated in OP's post were anywhere near accurate, it had to have been one hell of a show.

wonder if Paul Harvey will show up with the " Rest of the story "

more suspect is the OP has only been registered on this site just over a month.

wonder which way this will go ?
 
Could go either way really. I know Andy is there and personally the only thing I hear about tarheel anymore is "they're still in business?" (Not in a bad way). But while we are on the subject, there are plenty of 4x4 vendors and shops around the country that shit people daily and you never hear about it on the internet because of the fanboy backlash. (Not directed at any members here)
 
well at least you took a jeep to them. my experience and a few of my friends that did not have jeeps that went there was not good at all. The rule of thumb is if you have a jeep then tarhill is not a bad place to go. any other vehicle go somewhere else.
 
There are definitely 2 sides to the story. Here are the facts of the entire transaction.

This particular customer called to state he was bringing in a 1982 Waggoneer D44 front for us to put new gears (D44 4.56 thick gears to save money on a carrier). We had rebuilt a damaged rear XJ 44 he had bought used a couple weeks prior. I discussed with him what he wanted us to do to it (the original list before he made additions). We discussed that he wanted to convert it to 5 on 5.5 and we discussed his options for doing so. We decided to wait and see which spindles his axle had.
I told the customer that he could save himself some money, etc. to drop it off disassembled since he was going to get the Ford brake/hub parts on his own so we would not be able to reassemble it. He chose to bring in a 1982 Waggie D44 completely assembled with no personal knowledge of what condition the internals were in.
We pulled the axle down. We found the spindle lock nut (inner ring with the pin) on one side was broken and the lock rings otherwise had the standard "I want to use a punch and not the correct tools" damage. The rest of the axle was filled with a mix of water, dried gear oil film, 30 year old gear oil, metal, etc. We tore it completely down, drained it out, cleaned the inside with 3 or so cans of brake cleaner, and blew it out with air in between sprayings to get the inside as clean as possible for a 30 year old axle(without steam cleaning or the like). We put the parts we were not going to reuse for reassembly in a box since the customer was going to complete the 5 on 5.5 conversion with his own parts. All nuts, bolts, stock brake parts( that were included in the original junkyard axle), and spindle nuts, etc. were put in the box.

Once we figured out the axle did not in fact have the small bearing spindles the customer had been hoping for he was called and we discussed his options. He chose to wait longer to have the stock spindles machined to match the small bearing spindles rather than purchasing the new small bearing spindles we had in stock.

The customer came by and we discussed what he wanted to do for the differential cover. I gave him a price on a Solid cover and he stated he could get it online cheaper so he was going to do that. We had some covers on order so I told him we would have one by the time he needed one if he changed his mind.

The gears that had been ordered the day the customer originally called were installed in the axle and we waited for the spindles to be machined. The shop has been pretty busy lately and Steve took a little longer to machine these than we would have liked. It took about 2 weeks to get this finished up. The customer called multiple times, and we told him the axle was complete minus the spindles and if he wanted the new spindles we could have it ready to go at any time or we would try to get the other spindles machined.

I spoke with the customer during one of the calls after a week or so of waiting on the spindles and asked him what we were doing about the diff cover . He stated he would take one of the D44 Solid covers we had in stock. We also discussed his steering options because the customer thought he was going to bolt up his stock steering. I stated that would not work and we could get him a crossover steering kit that would work but he would need to bring us his pitman arm to be reamed. We would be happy to do that for him. We agreed to get him the steering kit and have it ready for him to install, still offering to ream his pitman arm once he was ready.

At this point we have a D44 housing that has had new gears, bearings, and seals installed and a box of parts. The cover was off because he was going to install a SOLID cover when he got it, the axle shafts were out because they needed to be cleaned up (customer was going to do this), and the spindles, brakes, etc. were off it because the customer was doing the 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern conversion. We also had the Solid cover in its original box and the steering kit parts in a box ready for the customer to assemble. The customer was also going to clean off the stock perches and weld on a TNT bracket kit/truss to "bolt in" the axle to the XJ once he got it back.

The day the spindles were complete we were VERY busy. The customer came to pick up the axle. He came to the front counter, was given a total and then stated "Is that with my military discount?" He got an attitude about getting a discount that he had not been promised or even alluded to at any point in our prior discussions. Ron reworked his bill to include a discount to try and make the customer happy. The axle and all associated parts were loaded into his Jeep. The inside of the jeep was full of garbage, an old tire, parts, mud, etc. and was a dirty mess long before the diff was loaded in the Jeep. The customer grabbed the inside of the diff housing and his hand came out dirty from the little bit of remaining 30 year old dried gear oil residue (and probably some new gear oil from the new, oiled bearings) that was still in the diff even after cleaning. The customer started getting very agitated, unwilling to listen to any discussion about the residue. After being told multiple times that the little bit of residue was no issue and that after he did the required gear break in and changed the gear oil everything would be good he was still stuck on that bit of residue. After a heated discussion, I took the axle in the back of the shop, sprayed the inside down and wiped it out with a rag to try and make the customer happy. While I was doing that the customer went in and discussed the situation with Ron who apologized for the situation. When I went into the front to have the customer look at it to make sure he was happy with how I had wiped it out, he refused and just told us to load the axle back up and he would be on his way.

That was approximately 2 weeks ago and it was the last time we have heard from the customer that I know of.

I apologize that the spindles took too long to machine, that is completely our fault. It definitely took longer than we would have liked. We are sorry for the fact the customer was unhappy with the little bit of 30 year old diff oil film that was left in the axle. Unfortunately, I am not sure even pressure washing the housing would have gotten that out. I thought the customer understood that he was about the break in new gears with metal, etc. in the oil and that little bit of film would be no issue once he cleaned the housing out again after the gear break in and gear oil change.

Hopefully hearing both sides of the story will bring a little more light to the situation and we are looking forward to continuing to serve the NC 4x4 community. We are making a lot of changes (including a lot of expansion of our capabilities and services) and are looking forward to seeing everyone out at Uwharrie for the event in a couple weeks. We will be set up as a sponsor of the event.

Thanks
 
Great explanation! I'd say the customer got into way more than he had researched. It ended up costing him more in parts & machine work. After spending more than he had panned he tried complaining for a discount. He should be lucky Tarheel knew enough to try and point him in the right direction of what it would take to complete the project.

You know it always takes a turn for the worste when someone is told it's going to need other parts & they go online to save a few $$. The Internet is for doing the work yourself. If you want to claim to support your local shop, do so. That's why they stock parts to begin with. They offer parts in stock with the know how & ability to install. Experience cost something, pay it or try your luck at Google.
 
<----is so amused.
 
Sounds like tarheel IMO

Worst CS ive ever seen in 4wd community




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What sounds like Tarheel? The first post or the reply? Your statement is vague..
 
Man, ya'll made the guy at Tarheel work on his day off defending himself!

I ain't never had an issue dealing with them.
 
the work was fine, just not happy with the service.

This makes no sense given your points of the leaking rear axle and the non-cleaned front housing. Personally, I'd go to Tarheel before anywhere else if I needed gears setup here locally (but I do my own). I know both Steve and Andy and they're both first rate guys. I do plan on having Andy do a D60 front for me, as I don't have setup bearings for it.

To me, a lot of your 'issues' sound like a case of pinching pennies at the expense of spending dollars.
 
There is way more to it I just dont want to think about how bad I feel, my butt is still sore.

Buddy, if I knew, I would never have chose you.

Say what?
 
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