The "Eli stealing photos" thread

Wow!
 
Lol... Some whiny bs. Its a picture, you posted it on the internet. Welcome to the real world, other people may use it, by posting it on the internet, you are taking that risk.
 
1) While viewing the original photo put your watermark image on there.
2) Go top of the window and click on "file" and select "save as"
3) rename photo when the window pops up
4) click save

if you follow these steps then you have successfully saved a copy of your original photo with a watermark on it. This will allow you to sell the original photo as a print without the watermark but also allows you to advertise the photo with a watermark while making sure you get your glorious credit.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm calling SOPA, their going to shut down this website.
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THIS !

is what it is all about,

to the OP, how many pictures, songs, movies and "other" digital media are you in possession of ?

Eli, this is WHY SOPA is trying to do what they are, how many " it's just a picture, they won't mind " opportunities before those who make their living end up NOT making a living because of rampant abuse like this ?

either way you look at it, there is no true " winner ", unfortunately, it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
 
this thread sucks, The op should have pm'ed Eli first. We all have dirty laundry & make mistakes. Seems like there is a lot of sore aginavay's here lately.

Just more Drama...
 
XJfreakHO said:
Its a picture, you posted it on the internet. Welcome to the real world, other people may use it, by posting it on the internet, you are taking that risk.
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Its a car, you parked it in your drive. Other people want it. YOu deserve to have it stolen by buying the car you took that risk.
 
Ron said:
Its a car, you parked it in your drive. Other people want it. YOu deserve to have it stolen by buying the car you took that risk.
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You missed out on some pretty delicious margaritas.

Of course, now I'm behind on my chores... so I'm going to have to get up at 6 to get shit set up... some jerkhole scheduled the UTVs to start at 8AM.

Also... this thread is probably my fault. :rolleyes: Shoulda just deleted the whole thing instead of spinning it off into its own thread.
 
oleblue said:
The title of this thread is ridiculous. One of my first trips to URE I met Eli and he got me hooked on the workdays before I had to leave for college. So he cropped a picture of yours for a temporary "web construction" page? Did you expect him to paypal you for it? Eli has represented himself as a responsable fellow and to trample him on this is pointless. You got him chief!:handed:
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The title of this "thread" was NOT made by me, neither was this "thread". Someone took a conversation in another thread and moved it here. No doubt in an effort to CREATE drama. I never intended to create any drama. The dude asked if there was any site concerns and I expressed my concern. What is wrong with that? I never got hostile, or made any personal attacks, simply stated facts. Whomever split this from the other thread and made this and made it look like I posted it is the one whom all this hate needs to be directed to. I did no trampling, I have been volunteering with the FS long before I even remember Eli and the "Friends of URE" was started.
 
13bullets said:
Is is copyright protected, or is it just a picture you took and put on the internet?
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The act of me taking the photo automatically gives me a copyright on it.

Tech11 said:
Also arent call outs supposed to be in the garage? Or is that only when you question someones genetic make up and or the sexuality/fatness of their mother?
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This "thread" was not made by me, blame whomever moderator or administrator that split this off from another thread in an effort to create drama.

twistedjeepster said:
WOW all this drama over a picture. If you post pictures online then you run the risk of someone taking them regardless of having a copyright or watermark on them. For the record if you are good enough at photoshop you can remove all of that while making it look as if it didn't have one at all. If you don't want people taking your pictures without your "permission" don't put it on the internet and if you do, put the biggest dadgum watermark you can on it. Not a teeny tiny one in the bottom corner; I had to actually go back and look at it again when it was mentioned because I didn't see it the first time. I don't know you ( phatmax95 ) or Eli so I have no sides one way or the other but I do think you could have approached this a little different. This reminds me of 2 children chasing each other one saying "HE TOOK MY TOY!!!!". It's not like he went to your house took your camera and then stole the pictures and gave the camera back he just copied and pasted it. To be completely honest I don't think it's that great of a picture anyway, not one to fight over anyway.

my .02
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Yes this is crazy stupid that someone would move split a thread and move it gen discussion, obviously they wanted drama. Yes I know I run the risk of it, which is why I put a watermark, I know people will crosspost it, but at least I get some sort of credit or a trace back. Yes someone can photoshop it out but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't do it. I'm glad you didn't see the watermark the first time, I didn't try to make it intrusive, it is just for credit- so someone can contact me if they want.
 
Valkyrie45 said:
My question is did you get permission from Eli to even take his picture? if you did not then you are in the wrong as well. i can not stand photographers that are so stuck up on their pictures. Eli the next time you get on a bobcat and Want a picture. i will take it and not complain if you use it. That way you do not have to worry with this guy.
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I don't need permission, it is in public. Try using google. I am absolutely not stuck up on my pictures, it just rubs you the wrong way when you see a picture you took, posted somewhere on an events website, cropped and chopped, with no reference at all to the creator. If he had asked, I would have said sure no problem use it. He knew who to ask as my name was right there on it, I made it easy for him to do so.
 
trailhugger said:
If a photo has a watermark, it should stay. It doesn't matter how good of a photo it is, that's promotional material for that photographer's work and it's common courtesy. Eli should've asked or given credit.

I, personally, don't like the big ones that obscure the image so you can't really see it... besides the decreasing likelihood that photos will sell as prints. Which is why ours are in the bottom corners. It's fine if they end up elsewhere on the internet, because the "photo credit" is still attached.

Seems like a "teaching moment."
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Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
 
Valkyrie45 said:
After hearing this my opinion of photographers ranks up there with my opinion of lawyers, politicans, and car salesmen. Maybe it would not be so bad if he discussed it with Eli before doing this public nonsense. If you are that stuck up to take pictures and want credit for every little thing then maybe we should throw you a pity party and you can be the head of honor. I mean serious of all the things in the world to get upset about and worry about, a picture of himself was used. o_O Please do me a favor and do not take anymore pictures on workdays that I am there. i do not want to you to have to work hard carrying a camera.
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This looks way worse than it is considering like I have already stated, this thread was not created by me. He asked on a public forum if there was site concerns, and I expressed a concern. I didn't even know Eli was the site creator, I had no idea, I just asked on their thread and he lead in.. if he never wanted it there, he should of contacted me via PM. But that seems silly since this is a public forum, isn't that the point? There was no name calling or hard feelings, just an honest mistake and what wrong is there in telling the guy he shouldn't do that? I was not upset, I was not worried.. did I say I was? A full frame DSLR with zoom lenses tend to weigh more than a point and shoot, also running up and down the trails, up the hill climbs, back and forth, just to get pictures of other peoples rigs, while not getting any of your own when you do the hill climb, is what I mean by working hard to get the shot. I don't complain about it, because I mostly enjoy it. I have the equipment, so why not use it? Anyone who knows me, knows how lax I am with my pictures. Not to mention the time it takes to transfer hundreds of images over to the computer, do slight edits if necessary, upload them, etc.. it takes alot of time, and to have someone yank one, and use it on an events website, just feels wrong.
 
Jeff B said:
this thread sucks, The op should have pm'ed Eli first. We all have dirty laundry & make mistakes. Seems like there is a lot of sore aginavay's here lately.

Just more Drama...
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I was not the OP. I simply replied to a thread, expressing a concern. Whomever made this thread and tried to make me look like the bad guy, is the one who wants drama. I hate drama with a passion. I just wanted whoever created the site to be aware that doing what he did is not the correct thing to do. And as it turns out it was Eli, and as it turns out he didn't know that was a bad thing to do. It should and could have ended there..
 
shawn said:
You missed out on some pretty delicious margaritas.

Of course, now I'm behind on my chores... so I'm going to have to get up at 6 to get shit set up... some jerkhole scheduled the UTVs to start at 8AM.

Also... this thread is probably my fault. :rolleyes: Shoulda just deleted the whole thing instead of spinning it off into its own thread.
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Well, don't go deleting it now, it is too good :) (and I spent too much time typing responses)
 
kaiser715 said:
I'll stick up for phatmax. Yanking pictures is a big thing. I find one of mine every once in a while, usually on facebook, and don't like it either. Its so simple nowadays to zip off an email and ask permission. ESPECIALLY if they are watermarked, you know who to ask.

I usually don't care about day-to-day pics, but I do have some that I will market. 98% of them don't get on the Internet. Ones that do get a big obnoxious watermark right in the center because of 'stealing'.

From the following linked article: "[...] The mere act of taking a photograph means the photographer holds the copyright for that picture. Sharing it on a social media site does nothing to limit or reduce that fundamental right, according to digital rights expert Mary Luria."
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/...-space-shuttle-photo-when-is-sharing-stealing

13bullets and braxton, there is nothing you have to do to "copyright" a photograph. Yes, you can register that copyright, which does give you additional protection, but you own the copyright as soon as you release the shutter.

Valkyrie45, in a public place (which the National Forest is), a person has no expectation of privacy, and may be freely photographed, and no permission or release is required. Commercial use (not editorial (news) or artistic) does require a release. A photograph can be used in a magazine (article) without a release, and use in the same magazine (advertisement) would require a release.

Now, all that said, I kind of put my photographs into three categories. Day-to-day life kind of stuff, like this workday example. I may or may not watermark it, and would freely let anyone use it, but really would appreciate you asking. (Also, most galleries like that I license under Creative Commons). Second category is the good shots, that wouldn't ever sell, but are pretty neat. These are the ones I post online, usually watermarked in the corner. Please ask. Third, is the stuff I may sell; the good stuff. I have an established value, and will go after that.

From me in this case...would probably have contacted Eli directly with a "hey, this isn't cool" message. Maybe a few people will learn a bit from this thread, though.

(photo stealing tip of the day, if you want to post pics, and don't want folks running off to walmart and printing out copies, Walmart requires 540x360 pixels...so make your jpg 536x354 and they can't print it.)
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Thanks for explaining it and understanding where I am coming from. I never would have created a thread like this, my post that turned into its on thread was about the same as PM'ing him.. but yes you are right, hopefully this will be more of a learning experience for some people.
 
braxton357 said:
Not that i think he's right or wrong, but you realize that adding a watermark to a photo doesn't constitute a copyright...right? I think most of all you're making yourself look like a dick. Do you make your living off of photography?
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Of course I know that, that is not the intention of a watermark. The watermark is so that when someone takes it and posts it somewhere, you can know who took and it get in contact with them. Like previously stated, the copyright is automatic. Sorry I come off that way, as I wrote earlier, I never intended to be a prick about it, I assume this "thread" is why it looks way worse than it really is.
 
Hey Phaty, you can stop defending yourself. Whats done is done. Pm the admin and ask the thread to be deleted.

Papajon knows that will happen anyway.


This thread still sucks, should have never been pulled from a conversation.

It's set up drama...
 
Knowing phatmax didn't create this thread makes a world of difference.

Big difference between a car and a photo, not even going to signify that with a response, laws on car theft are very clear, laws on picture use on the internet is much less clear, as are most laws regarding the internet... Though lately they have been on it

Edit: sorry, any majot typos are due to autocoreect.
 
phatmax95 said:
Whomever made this thread and tried to make me look like the bad guy, is the one who wants drama. I hate drama with a passion.
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FWIW, I was just trying to clean up Scott's thread. :beer:
 
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