The "Eli stealing photos" thread

phatmax95

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DRaider90 said:
The website has been completely re-designed to keep up with the size of this event (which keeps growing). If you haven't checked out the website, or haven't seen seen the new updates check it out here:

http://uwharriejamboree.angelfire.com

If you are having any issues with the website just let me or Scott know and I will address them. :beer:
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Where did you get this picture of Eli in the Bobcat?

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Tyler your are correct that I used the picture of myself in the T190 for the under construction hold page on the website. I also used the image for the Volunteering/USFS Booth page. I figured since the main goal of this event is to promote volunteering why not use some images from one of the workdays. If there is an issue with using one of your photos just let me know and I will have to find one of my own/other volunteers photo's from the workday.
 
DRaider90 said:
Tyler your are correct that I used the picture of myself in the T190 for the under construction hold page on the website. I also used the image for the Volunteering/USFS Booth page. I figured since the main goal of this event is to promote volunteering why not use some images from one of the workdays. If there is an issue with using one of your photos just let me know and I will have to find one of my own/other volunteers photo's from the workday.
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Granted I haven't been all over the site or threads pertaining to this event, but the only vibe I got from it was that this was a for-profit event. Coming from you I would expect more.. you should know that you can't just yank someones picture and use it wherever you want, especially cropping out a watermark.. that should be a red flag right there. IF you would have asked I would have had no problem letting you use the picture. The reason I put the watermark is that I know people share/crosspost images all over the web, so this way credit stays where credit is due. I'll let you use the picture on the volunteering page if you give credit, and with a link back to the cfsjc.com site.
 
phatmax95 said:
Granted I haven't been all over the site or threads pertaining to this event, but the only vibe I got from it was that this was a for-profit event. Coming from you I would expect more.. you should know that you can't just yank someones picture and use it wherever you want, especially cropping out a watermark.. that should be a red flag right there. IF you would have asked I would have had no problem letting you use the picture. The reason I put the watermark is that I know people share/crosspost images all over the web, so this way credit stays where credit is due. I'll let you use the picture on the volunteering page if you give credit, and with a link back to the cfsjc.com site.
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The goal of the event per the mission statement:

"Bringing all Uwharrie OHV users together to aid in recruiting volunteers
and to raise awareness to TREAD Lightly! so that the Uwharrie National
Forest OHV Trail System can develop and be maintained."
Uwharrie OHV Jamboree - Mission Statement

The only people being charged at this event are the Swap Meet vendors, and that looks like it will just cover costs like the police, porta-jons etc.

In all the past public volunteer workdays I have never ran into any issues using images posted outside of their use for sharing online etc. If we were talking about pictures from an event like the ECORS races or King of Hammers, or any other money making venue I could see an obvious issue. This is coming from my perspective that I wouldn't ask anyone to get permission from me to use any image I post on here from the workdays, or even wheeling trips. Because that is all they are, pictures from a trip. Its an image of myself, in a Bobcat on a workday.

I didn't crop out the water mark (which I have never seen on any other pictures posted from workdays etc beyond yours) by chopping off the bottom of the image and then use it. The watermark was removed with the rest of the image that wasn't the Bobcat, and it would have (and will be) the same for the replacement image as apart of the graphic design element. I apologize for making the above assumptions, and using the image. It will be removed from the website and I will attempt to find another one that maybe I took to use.

This is a real eye opener for me that we are to the point of having IP issues about pictures of the workdays we participate in. This blind sighted me, and worries me to be honest.
 
It honestly has nothing to do with if this is a volunteer campaign or not. It doesn't matter if this was at an official event or not. Worries you? Have you never heard of image copyright law? This is a big problem that photographers face. People think you can just use any image you find for whatever reason. You're right, we don't get paid to volunteer at Uwharrie. Same as I don't get paid for taking pictures at every event. But I work hard hauling that camera around for other peoples enjoyment, so they can see decent looking images of the workday- that in itself should promote the volunteering efforts. But then when someone takes a picture I took, without my permission, and crops it down and takes out the watermark, is just a slap in the face. Try stepping back and looking at this situation from my point of view, from a photographers point of view.

Look man, I am not trying to be a prick, I am not trying to throw mud on this event, I am just 'opening your eyes' to the fact that you need to be more careful. I almost did not say anything, but everyone else said I should.. and they are right. The funny thing is, if you had asked, I would have cropped it down to where you wanted it, and sent you a high res file.
 
phatmax95 said:
It honestly has nothing to do with if this is a volunteer campaign or not. It doesn't matter if this was at an official event or not. Worries you? Have you never heard of image copyright law? This is a big problem that photographers face. People think you can just use any image you find for whatever reason. You're right, we don't get paid to volunteer at Uwharrie. Same as I don't get paid for taking pictures at every event. But I work hard hauling that camera around for other peoples enjoyment, so they can see decent looking images of the workday- that in itself should promote the volunteering efforts. But then when someone takes a picture I took, without my permission, and crops it down and takes out the watermark, is just a slap in the face. Try stepping back and looking at this situation from my point of view, from a photographers point of view.

Look man, I am not trying to be a prick, I am not trying to throw mud on this event, I am just 'opening your eyes' to the fact that you need to be more careful. I almost did not say anything, but everyone else said I should.. and they are right. The funny thing is, if you had asked, I would have cropped it down to where you wanted it, and sent you a high res file.
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Is is copyright protected, or is it just a picture you took and put on the internet?
 
There is a picture of me in my black LJ on the main flyer of this event.
It isn't a problem for me, just a surprise that it is there.
Glad my jeep was awesome enough to be shown on a flyer for this event.:rockon:

Ricky
 
The title of this thread is ridiculous. One of my first trips to URE I met Eli and he got me hooked on the workdays before I had to leave for college. So he cropped a picture of yours for a temporary "web construction" page? Did you expect him to paypal you for it? Eli has represented himself as a responsable fellow and to trample him on this is pointless. You got him chief!:handed:
 
My question is did you get permission from Eli to even take his picture? if you did not then you are in the wrong as well. i can not stand photographers that are so stuck up on their pictures. Eli the next time you get on a bobcat and Want a picture. i will take it and not complain if you use it. That way you do not have to worry with this guy.
 
Not that i think he's right or wrong, but you realize that adding a watermark to a photo doesn't constitute a copyright...right? I think most of all you're making yourself look like a dick. Do you make your living off of photography?
 
I've done "work" on other websites that was posted on the internet that didn't get alot of notice, then ebaumsworld comes along, removes the websites watermark, slathers ebaumsworld.com all over it, and it gets seen all over the place. I got my "screen name" mentioned at the original website, and nothing mentioned when ebaums hijacked it. All I got was a warm feeling knowing "I did that".

And the pictures were taken for a workday, I don't understand tagging them with a club specific watermark. If it was of your club members,their vehicles, or something like that maybe, but Eli in a bobcat on a workday? I don't get it. :confused: I take pictures, as do a lot of people, and upload them, for others, I don't expect any thing from it, just "hey, here's us doing things", or maybe I'll get a cool pic of my jeep or me in my jeep doing something, odd, dumb, cool, etc.
 
I'll stick up for phatmax. Yanking pictures is a big thing. I find one of mine every once in a while, usually on facebook, and don't like it either. Its so simple nowadays to zip off an email and ask permission. ESPECIALLY if they are watermarked, you know who to ask.

I usually don't care about day-to-day pics, but I do have some that I will market. 98% of them don't get on the Internet. Ones that do get a big obnoxious watermark right in the center because of 'stealing'.

From the following linked article: "[...] The mere act of taking a photograph means the photographer holds the copyright for that picture. Sharing it on a social media site does nothing to limit or reduce that fundamental right, according to digital rights expert Mary Luria."
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/...-space-shuttle-photo-when-is-sharing-stealing

13bullets and braxton, there is nothing you have to do to "copyright" a photograph. Yes, you can register that copyright, which does give you additional protection, but you own the copyright as soon as you release the shutter.

Valkyrie45, in a public place (which the National Forest is), a person has no expectation of privacy, and may be freely photographed, and no permission or release is required. Commercial use (not editorial (news) or artistic) does require a release. A photograph can be used in a magazine (article) without a release, and use in the same magazine (advertisement) would require a release.

Now, all that said, I kind of put my photographs into three categories. Day-to-day life kind of stuff, like this workday example. I may or may not watermark it, and would freely let anyone use it, but really would appreciate you asking. (Also, most galleries like that I license under Creative Commons). Second category is the good shots, that wouldn't ever sell, but are pretty neat. These are the ones I post online, usually watermarked in the corner. Please ask. Third, is the stuff I may sell; the good stuff. I have an established value, and will go after that.

From me in this case...would probably have contacted Eli directly with a "hey, this isn't cool" message. Maybe a few people will learn a bit from this thread, though.

(photo stealing tip of the day, if you want to post pics, and don't want folks running off to walmart and printing out copies, Walmart requires 540x360 pixels...so make your jpg 536x354 and they can't print it.)
 
kaiser715 said:
I'll stick up for phatmax. Yanking pictures is a big thing. I find one of mine every once in a while, usually on facebook, and don't like it either. Its so simple nowadays to zip off an email and ask permission. ESPECIALLY if they are watermarked, you know who to ask.

I usually don't care about day-to-day pics, but I do have some that I will market. 98% of them don't get on the Internet. Ones that do get a big obnoxious watermark right in the center because of 'stealing'.

From the following linked article: "[...] The mere act of taking a photograph means the photographer holds the copyright for that picture. Sharing it on a social media site does nothing to limit or reduce that fundamental right, according to digital rights expert Mary Luria."
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/...-space-shuttle-photo-when-is-sharing-stealing

13bullets and braxton, there is nothing you have to do to "copyright" a photograph. Yes, you can register that copyright, which does give you additional protection, but you own the copyright as soon as you release the shutter.

Valkyrie45, in a public place (which the National Forest is), a person has no expectation of privacy, and may be freely photographed, and no permission or release is required. Commercial use (not editorial (news) or artistic) does require a release. A photograph can be used in a magazine (article) without a release, and use in the same magazine (advertisement) would require a release.

Now, all that said, I kind of put my photographs into three categories. Day-to-day life kind of stuff, like this workday example. I may or may not watermark it, and would freely let anyone use it, but really would appreciate you asking. (Also, most galleries like that I license under Creative Commons). Second category is the good shots, that wouldn't ever sell, but are pretty neat. These are the ones I post online, usually watermarked in the corner. Please ask. Third, is the stuff I may sell; the good stuff. I have an established value, and will go after that.

From me in this case...would probably have contacted directly Eli with a "hey, this isn't cool" message.

(photo stealing tip of the day, if you want to post pics, and don't want folks running off to walmart and printing out copies, Walmart requires 540x360 pixels...so make your jpg 536x354 and they can't print it.)
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13bullets and braxton, there is nothing you have to do to "copyright" a photograph. Yes, you can register that copyright, which does give you additional protection, but you own the copyright as soon as you release the shutter.
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ding ding, copyright is just an idea that you own something.
What matters in court is having proof that you were the one to come up with/own something, whether its an idea, picture, text, whatever. Hence people do things liek add watermarks to photos, or even the cheesy old-school method of mailing a copy to yourself so there's a postmark stamp date on it.
 
RatLabGuy said:
ding ding, copyright is just an idea that you own something.
What matters in court is having proof that you were the one to come up with/own something, whether its an idea, picture, text, whatever. Hence people do things liek add watermarks to photos, or even the cheesy old-school method of mailing a copy to yourself so there's a postmark stamp date on it.
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For me, I only post JPEGs online. I got the camera RAW files, from which the JPG files are derived, on my server. That's proof enough...you can make a JPG from a RAW...but you can't make the RAW file from a JPG.

In simpleton terms....the RAW file is pretty much what a 'negative' used to be...it's all the data straight off the camera sensor.

Few consumer point and shoots have raw though. Some do, some can be modded for RAW data. Most all DSLR's have RAW.
 
WOW all this drama over a picture. If you post pictures online then you run the risk of someone taking them regardless of having a copyright or watermark on them. For the record if you are good enough at photoshop you can remove all of that while making it look as if it didn't have one at all. If you don't want people taking your pictures without your "permission" don't put it on the internet and if you do, put the biggest dadgum watermark you can on it. Not a teeny tiny one in the bottom corner; I had to actually go back and look at it again when it was mentioned because I didn't see it the first time. I don't know you ( phatmax95 ) or Eli so I have no sides one way or the other but I do think you could have approached this a little different. This reminds me of 2 children chasing each other one saying "HE TOOK MY TOY!!!!". It's not like he went to your house took your camera and then stole the pictures and gave the camera back he just copied and pasted it. To be completely honest I don't think it's that great of a picture anyway, not one to fight over anyway.

my .02
 
After hearing this my opinion of photographers ranks up there with my opinion of lawyers, politicans, and car salesmen. Maybe it would not be so bad if he discussed it with Eli before doing this public nonsense. If you are that stuck up to take pictures and want credit for every little thing then maybe we should throw you a pity party and you can be the head of honor. I mean serious of all the things in the world to get upset about and worry about, a picture of himself was used. o_O Please do me a favor and do not take anymore pictures on workdays that I am there. i do not want to you to have to work hard carrying a camera.
 
Also arent call outs supposed to be in the garage? Or is that only when you question someones genetic make up and or the sexuality/fatness of their mother?
 
If a photo has a watermark, it should stay. It doesn't matter how good of a photo it is, that's promotional material for that photographer's work and it's common courtesy. Eli should've asked or given credit.

I, personally, don't like the big ones that obscure the image so you can't really see it... besides the decreasing likelihood that photos will sell as prints. Which is why ours are in the bottom corners. It's fine if they end up elsewhere on the internet, because the "photo credit" is still attached.

Seems like a "teaching moment."
 
twistedjeepster said:
WOW all this drama over a picture. If you post pictures online then you run the risk of someone taking them regardless of having a copyright or watermark on them. [...] If you don't want people taking your pictures without your "permission" don't put it on the internet and if you do, put the biggest dadgum watermark you can on it.
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2nd place Winner for the thread.
 
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