Trail etiquette

bronco slim said:
Terry(hot dog guy) I agree this thread is a negative rant but and I too have helped an injured guy by providing splinting and riding his atv out while we carried him out. In our case of the tickets you can not compare driving down that dirt road in a buggy SLOWLY to get to another trailhead to riding down I-40 with no tag or insurance. There has to be some common sense and leneincy to how the violations are dealt with. My group has yet to bring alcohol to the park, even though it would be refreshing, out of respect for the park rules and safety of others. While we were stopped, how many drunks with coolers went by? Set up the road blocks if you think that is what is needed but give consideration to the guys who have built big time rigs to be able to drive sensibly from trailhead to trailhead without tags WITHIN the park only. If they hit 109 to go to the outpost in them, then its fair game for POPO. By the way, BEST DOGS I EVER HAD! Thanks
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Doesn't make much sense to say you abide by the laws of no alcohol but complain when you get pulled for not having a tag on a buggy. No matter if you are driving fast or slow, it is illegal to drive on the roads with a non-liscensed vehicle. The rangers don't know you from any other person out there, and I assure you your buddy was not the only one to get a ticket. I drove my buggy on a section of road from Falls Dam to Dickey Bell (where Dickey Bell crosses the road) because I was having fuel issues and didn't want to get stuck farther from the truck. Sure enough the buggy cut off on the way there so I was sitting on the side of the road. A ranger drove by, asked why I didn't have a tag, told him the issue and he was cool about it. Had I been moving it may have turned out different I do not know, but had a buddy in front of me to tow if need be.

If they say buggies can ride the roads, that would mean the ATV/dirtbike guys could as well. I can assure you it is a much better place to keep ATV's OFF the roads as well as unlicensed vehicles. I for one will admit I would probably drive faster than I should on the gravel roads if I was allowed to, as I am sure many others would. Makes for increased wear/tear on the road.
 
Can anybody find out about the CB channel idea? A buddy and I both thought of that idea the other day and reading about it here makes me realize I'm not the only one. I don't know the rangers personally otherwise I would but that seems like a great idea and could be easily implemented. There really should be a better way of contacting the Rangers when you really need to.
 
Another idea, but there would have to be good cell service, is to take a cell phone pic of the offending party. Not so much in their faces, but get a shot of the person/persons say blazing trails and send the picture to the ranger, or to the head office that can forward the picture to the ranger in the field. I know there are alot of people who do not want to "get in the offenders face" especially if there are multiple offenders and one good person. This may give the option of being a volunteer ranger without having to get up close.
 
DanStew said:
Another idea, but there would have to be good cell service, is to take a cell phone pic of the offending party. Not so much in their faces, but get a shot of the person/persons say blazing trails and send the picture to the ranger, or to the head office that can forward the picture to the ranger in the field. I know there are alot of people who do not want to "get in the offenders face" especially if there are multiple offenders and one good person. This may give the option of being a volunteer ranger without having to get up close.
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I have a picture of a Jeep and good pic of his license plate when he decided to be stupid and drive around a guy that was broken down in the trail (was there for a VERY short period). It was from last year though, I just forgot to try and get it to the right people.
 
on saturday my wife and two little girls were with me and i broke a bolt on my trac bar. we were just down at the three way intersection on top of kodak rock. there were several atv and a black truck and three jeeps that stoped to help out. the guy in the truck was going to give me one of his locker bolts. after pownding in the bolt and zip tying it in the three jeeps let me follow them and checked on me untill we were at the road. on the way we met to different groups coming up and were able to get out of the way. and some got out of our way. some atvs turned around so i could back to a safe place to be out of the way. i guess im just saying it could have been a bad day for me in the middle of the woods with two little girs and a wife if it wasnt for those guys. if you act like a adault and think well it could be me next time every one will have a better time. if anyone know the guys im talking about let me know i want to say thanks again. the girls all had a great time on there first camping and first off road trip.
 
woodpd said:
on saturday my wife and two little girls were with me and i broke a bolt on my trac bar. we were just down at the three way intersection on top of kodak rock. there were several atv and a black truck and three jeeps that stoped to help out. the guy in the truck was going to give me one of his locker bolts. after pownding in the bolt and zip tying it in the three jeeps let me follow them and checked on me untill we were at the road. on the way we met to different groups coming up and were able to get out of the way. and some got out of our way. some atvs turned around so i could back to a safe place to be out of the way. i guess im just saying it could have been a bad day for me in the middle of the woods with two little girs and a wife if it wasnt for those guys. if you act like a adault and think well it could be me next time every one will have a better time. if anyone know the guys im talking about let me know i want to say thanks again. the girls all had a great time on there first camping and first off road trip.
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Good to hear :beer:
 
Hey Woodpd, Hikers on the Appalachian trail call that kinda of thing 'Trail Magic' to describe small, unexpected, remarkable events that lifted a hiker’s spirits and inspired awe or gratitude. I think we should a share some stories about those moments as well!
 
my wife was happy and that we got out. i had the stuff but not the idea to use zips. ive only been going trail riding for a few years but ride bike allot and its the same way. i strongly beleive in never leave a man behind. oh and too the hot dog guy i know you see alot of people but me and my girls had some of your dogs on saturday and they were just what we needed. my little one loves dogs..
 
Well like I said in the beginning, I'll probally step on a few toes BUT. I'm friends with Mr. Foote, he's the security officer in the Tahoe. He's a great guy and I'd do anything to help him. I've seen him help a lot of people in many different ways. He's just doing his job and I'm glad he's there. We could have a lot worse because I've dealt with worse in NF! But there's a lot of helping going on and I just tried to bring some to the surface, and I thank the ones that helped me do this. If we got a rant thread, we need a praise thread! thanks again for playing along.
 
Your Hot Dog Guy! said:
Well like I said in the beginning, I'll probally step on a few toes BUT. I'm friends with Mr. Foote, he's the security officer in the Tahoe. He's a great guy and I'd do anything to help him. I've seen him help a lot of people in many different ways. He's just doing his job and I'm glad he's there. We could have a lot worse because I've dealt with worse in NF! But there's a lot of helping going on and I just tried to bring some to the surface, and I thank the ones that helped me do this. If we got a rant thread, we need a praise thread! thanks again for playing along.
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x2, he really is a great guy. I always make it a point to spend time talking with him when I see him. Heck, I even got a ticket for expired tags on my trailer last year and spent time cutting up with him and the police officers at the road block while I waited on my citation. They're just doing their job and if they weren't then URE wouldn't be as nice of a place to wheel as it is.

I haven't read through this entire long thread yet and don't know if this has been said yet or not, but how about:

- Drive slowly past the double parking lot where Your Hotdog Guy has his cart set up because I really DISLIKE the taste of dirt in my dog. In fact, if you see anyone at all, how about slowing down so you don't kick up so much dust. Kinda sucks.. K thx, bai.
 
the CB thing is a great idea. I see idiots all the time up there. just them setting up cooler checks is a good idea too.
 
My .02 lots of talk about folks helping each other. That's great to hear, I always try to ask stopped folks if they are ok and if they need anything.. I will add to it, if someone offers help consider your current situation, people with you, what tools/materials you have and the skills you have. What might seem like a day ending event to you could be a 10min fix to someone offering you help.
 
okay I have a few more cents to add while we're on the topic of helping eachother.

I went out opening weekend and drove past a girl on an ATV, we stopped an asked how she was. She said it was over heatin and she wanted directions out and that she'd creep it out slowly. It was her first time there....
So we went up dutchjohn and RML and circle around to back out to show off rock and out the same way we came in.
We passed the same folks on the way out with a trailer and asked if they were waitin on her.
Hell it was late prolly around 11. They said yeah and we obliged to go back in and get her out. Luckily she did follow directions and we only had to go back about a few hundred yards to yank her out.
But one thing stuck out. We were the ONLY ones to stop and ask how she was.
WTF.
You see anyone stopped by themselves don't matter what they drive - ask whats up.
dang. Hell of a first time there. Gotta lend a hand. Hell I'd want one if I was stranded.
 
I will not ever leave anyone on the trail. I dont care if i know them or not white,black,green,yellow,brown. I have pull bolts out of my rig to help a guy I didnt know. Me and brett help a group out one night took like 3 hours but we didnt leave untill they where up and running. If you pass by some one broke down and dont stop to help your a turd and a waste of space in my book
 
:popcorn:I like how this turned out.
 
nothing special here, but I was able to help out a Cherokee that had broken down on Kodak last year around 11pm. He was swapping out his spare and didn't have the right tools to take off his lugs. Luckily we had just rolled up and I had pretty much my entire tool chest in the back of my jeep. My buddy yelled to me to grab my impact and and some sockets and we had him back rolling in 5 minutes flat! Felt good to help a guy out and it justified me carrying all those tools.
 
It seems like every time I go to URE I end up helping someone off the trails or helping out in some way. Part of the reason I love the place so much. There are those few who sort of piss you off and ruin things for you, but if they were broke down I'd help them too.
 
General trail etiquette guidelines for all users from Blueribbon Coalition:

• Respect all trail restrictions and use only trails open to your mode of transportation.
• Be considerate of others on the road or trail.
• When traveling on shared use trails, watch for other types of recreationists.
• Slow down when sight lines are poor.
• Keep speeds low around other recreationists.
• Keep noise and dust low.
• Downhill traffic yields to uphill traffic.
• Keep right, pass left.
• Stay on designated trails.
• Never ride alone.
• Maintain a safe distance between riders.
• Leave gates as you find them.
• Carry out your trash and some others’ as well.
• Keep your ears open – no ear buds for an iPod or MP3.
• Keep pets under control.
 
Not trying to say its Terry's job or volunteering him but he would be a great person to hand out that list JC.
And also have it posted at the Mt Mrkt and the Outpost.
 
thought this should be here also

allenc229 said:
Last Saturday on April the 10th. I made the fateful decision to try the mudhole at the entrance to the Falls Dam trail. Well I did not make it :shaking: I got tons of help and pulled out by a guy in a Jeep. I did not get any names but thanks to everyone. Now there were a lot of pictures taken and I would like to have one. So if anyone here has a picture of the Bronze/Gold/Muddy 91 Range Rover stuck in the mud on Saturday I would love to have it. You can e-mail me at allenc229@gmail.com, or I will be checking back here. Once again thanks to everyone for the help, you guys saved me from a very nasty swim. Charles Allen
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I always stop and ask people if they need help/tools whatever.
Was up at ure opening weekend seen a couple yota boys, broke down at the top of dainel, stopped, said yall fellas need any help tools anything. yall good. Thay looked at me like they wanted to kick my ass. and said no. Wow no thank you anything. I said cool yaw let me know if you need any help i'll be up here for a min.
Kinda sucks seems like they had a toyota vs Jeeps ego problem.
ole well, wont let it stop me from tryin to help other people, Kill em with kindness.
 
mattb6679 said:
I always stop and ask people if they need help/tools whatever.
Was up at ure opening weekend seen a couple yota boys, broke down at the top of dainel, stopped, said yall fellas need any help tools anything. yall good. Thay looked at me like they wanted to kick my ass. and said no. Wow no thank you anything. I said cool yaw let me know if you need any help i'll be up here for a min.
Kinda sucks seems like they had a toyota vs Jeeps ego problem.
ole well, wont let it stop me from tryin to help other people, Kill em with kindness.
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Sometimes you just catch them at the wrong time, I have been there my self. But seems like you handled it well.
 
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