VW Emissions scandal

Not really but seems they programmed the ECM to read as emissions all operational when computers are plugged in or something like that
 
News this morning said 3 suits have already been filed here in Chattanooga. Shit is about to get REAL bad for zee germans.

The EPA fines will be huge, but the individual/class action suits for false advertising, luring buyers based on false pretenses, etc. will be on a whole different level.

I've got two friends that bought one of the affected models specifically for the clean-ness. Neither are pleased, to say the least.
 
The news said they set aside 7.5 billion to pay for it. IMHO if you set that aside already, you knew the day of reckoning was going to come. I bet it's even for than that by the time it's all said and done. People will end up in prison. I think the CEO already resigned.

EPA is going to look at other manufacultures and see if anybody else is trying the same stunt. I'm curious to see if other brands have done something similar.
 
redneckjeep87 said:
Yes. My wife and i have a 2014 jetta tdi. Waiting on a call back from a lawyer. We will not be forced into any recall bs. I refuse to lose power and milage bc of this.
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That's nice and all, but the state will just refuse your registration renewal until you can prove the car is compliant with federal law.
 
I read 27,500 fine per x 11 million worldwide


...or $4kper vehicle for DEF install/recall




I wonder which they'll choose?:shaking:
 
The whole things sounds like something a couple NC4x4 guys would come up with sitting around the shop, except the engineers at VW actually did it!
 
ecoast said:
I read 27,500 fine per x 11 million worldwide


...or $4kper vehicle for DEF install/recall




I wonder which they'll choose?:shaking:
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Not worldwide.
No regs in lots of plaxces.
EPA rules US only. EU rules europe.
Asia, SA, Africa no emission regs
 
ecoast said:
I read 27,500 fine per x 11 million worldwide


...or $4kper vehicle for DEF install/recall




I wonder which they'll choose?:shaking:
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EPA could levy up to $37,000 per car in fines. That's for what they did, and is independent of teh cost to actually fix it. However it's unlikely they'll actually pay that full amount
There's no way Volkswagen will pay the US $18 billion in fines for cheating on emissions tests
on top of that you have the cost to fix per car - which, from a mechanic's manpower standpoint, shouldn't be expensive - pretty much a software patch or chip install - but the other challenge is how the hell they're going to convince people to go do it in the first place. That's a major campaign and coordination w/ state agencies, IF it comes down to things like @shawn said
shawn said:
That's nice and all, but the state will just refuse your registration renewal until you can prove the car is compliant with federal law.
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...although I'm not sure how that would even be coordinated? Currently you just go get your test, and you pass by default. An un-patched car will pass. In fact, in NC do you even have to get a recurring test? In MD diesels are exempt. So that would require a bunch of people to actively seek out everybody that has an affected model and make them provide proof to... whom?... that it's been fixed. Logistics of implementing that are not trivial. I sure as hell don't see a cash-strapped DMV putting forth the effort. But who knows, maybe VW will be sued by the states to covert he cost?

The big cost will be the civil lawsuits. Maybe even forced buybacks. But keep in mind, the feds & courts can't make the cost too heavy b/c VW could just say, "well, now we're bankrupt (in the US) and can't afford to fix this, too bad", the EPA and lawyers have to decide whether they would rather VW actually be able to go back and fix the pollution problem created by this (ahem, to whatever extent it really is a problem.... given the relative % pollution share it really is...).
 
RatLabGuy said:
...although I'm not sure how that would even be coordinated? Currently you just go get your test, and you pass by default. An un-patched car will pass. In fact, in NC do you even have to get a recurring test? In MD diesels are exempt. So that would require a bunch of people to actively seek out everybody that has an affected model and make them provide proof to... whom?... that it's been fixed. Logistics of implementing that are not trivial. I sure as hell don't see a cash-strapped DMV putting forth the effort. But who knows, maybe VW will be sued by the states to covert he cost?
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The car has to be inspected every year in NC regardless. And recall data is already shared with the NHTSA and other government agencies. You can go to the NHTSA's website, plug in your VIN, and it will give you a list of every recall ever applied, including whether or not the repairs were completed.

The states can just put a registration stop on the affected vehicles until they provide documentation that they have been repaired. Pretty simple, really.
 
I loved how the head VW DB the other day referred to this as "a problem". Hmmm, 11 million acts of fraud and it's a problem. That's one way of looking at it.
 
tkeaton said:
News this morning said 3 suits have already been filed here in Chattanooga. Shit is about to get REAL bad for zee germans.

The EPA fines will be huge, but the individual/class action suits for false advertising, luring buyers based on false pretenses, etc. will be on a whole different level.

I've got two friends that bought one of the affected models specifically for the clean-ness. Neither are pleased, to say the least.
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They have needed to file suits over the false MPG claims they have given for cars/trucks over the last 10-15 years.
 
RatLabGuy said:
(ahem, to whatever extent it really is a problem.... given the relative % pollution share it really is...).
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Exactly. Every time I roll coal in my truck, it exceeds the pollution of 1,000 VW 4 cyl TDI's...
 
1-tonmudder said:
They have needed to file suits over the false MPG claims they have given for cars/trucks over the last 10-15 years.
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Who, VW TDI's? Or EVERY other maker of "fuel efficient" cars?
 
Maybe in a year or so, when this all shakes out, I can buy a "repaired" on the cheap since it's performance and economy will be crap. Then, use an aftermarket tuner to make it better than stock.
People already do egr, dpf, etc delete kits for diesel pickups.
 
I don't see the big deal unless they make you change it or like shawn said, the state won't renew your registration. People chip and program their trucks and cars all the time. I don't really care to say the least. I'm not one of these people that believe in global warming, oh excuse me, "climate change". The world is millions of years old and we've been studying weather for the last 200. I'm not ready to point the finger at a little VW rolling coal. Emissions are for Californians.
 
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