Welder power source!

[C.Berry]

Picked up the ole Vulcan 220 was running stick on it yesterday on 110v and it kept flipping my breaker in basement which is two 15amp breakers pic for reference! I’ll admit I have no man card for electricity and won’t play like I do bc shit can be dangerous, with that being said what do I need to do to run my welder without tripping breaker only shop lights on the breaker and bench grinder!

Also while in electricity can I run this welder off of a 7000watt generator at 220v or 110v bc it’s my power source over on the hill where my project is located! I have power pole over there so I may have a breaker put it if generator won’t do the job thanks in advance while I cuss my electrical ignorance...

 

[C.Berry]

This is breaker that keeps tripping the two 15s...

 

[WARRIORWELDING]

First, is the welder a dual voltage input?
220 and 110 are two different animals.

If your wire to two legs on two separate breakers I am guessing you are trying for 220 single phase. If that is in fact what your trying to achieve you need a dual lug heavier breaker like the stacked 20 below it. And to the tune of most likely 50 amps and a heavier gauge wire.

What does the plug end look like on the unit?

 

[C.Berry]

First, is the welder a dual voltage input?
220 and 110 are two different animals.

If your wire to two legs on two separate breakers I am guessing you are trying for 220 single phase. If that is in fact what your trying to achieve you need a dual lug heavier breaker like the stacked 20 below it. And to the tune of most likely 50 amps and a heavier gauge wire.

What does the plug end look like on the unit?

Yes dual voltage I was just running it on 110v plug in tho to test it out and see how terrible my welding has become, on that panel can a 220 be added or will I need a dedicated breaker just for welder? Here’s the amps welder pulls I’m gonna have to learn all this electrical stuff apparently bc electricity and welding go hand in hand...

 

[Jeff B]

What does the plug end look like on the unit?

Post a picture of the plug end, also the tag on the welder that states the power requirements and duty cycle

 

[Jeff B]

Yes dual voltage I was just running it on 110v plug in tho to test it out and see how terrible my welding has become, on that panel can a 220 be added or will I need a dedicated breaker just for welder? Here’s the amps welder pulls I’m gonna have to learn all this electrical stuff apparently bc electricity and welding go hand in hand...View attachment 274239

Just as I responded..

 

[C.Berry]

Apparently all the 110 plug ins and lights in basement are run off the 2 15amp breakers so I’m assuming welder is overloading it with anything else on it!

 

[C.Berry]

Post a picture of the plug end, also the tag on the welder that states the power requirements and duty cycle

I’ll post plug end in a min, baby feeding stops all progress in my shop now lol

 

[C.Berry]

Had one fella tell me the breakers could be old!? They trip when I run table saw and it gets in bind as well

 

[Jeff B]

Had one fella tell me the breakers could be old!? They trip when I run table saw and it gets in bind as well

when the saw stops it's pulling more to get started again. Thus pulling more power then the breaker is rated for.

I suspect the same for your welder.

 

[C.Berry]

when the saw stops it's pulling more to get started again. Thus pulling more power then the breaker is rated for.

I suspect the same for your welder.

That’s what I was figuring no bueno! I’m gonna go check to see if I can put a breaker on the lot my projects on I’m not sure if I have a meter over there still but use to have power and water so may get lucky!

 

[C.Berry]

when the saw stops it's pulling more to get started again. Thus pulling more power then the breaker is rated for.

I suspect the same for your welder.

And the 2 15 breakers are as big as I can put in there right? Without changing wire out through our entire basement and shop? Sorry I feel like I’m asking question a 18 year old would be asking and I’m 34 lmao

 

[zuke]

Assuming those are the only breakers in the 200 Amp panel (Going by the main breaker), Add a new set of breakers specifically for the welder, and add a plug for it just below the panel, Make a long 220v extension cord to reach the welder. This will cost more than running regular romex to a plug near where you weld now, but the extension gives you a lot more flexibility in where you use the welder in the future, and you can take the extension with you between places you weld....

I set mine at the shop up using 50amp household dryer plugs, so if I need to weld at home in the driveway, I take the welder and extension home, and plug it into the dryer plug at the house...

 

[C.Berry]

Inside sub panel! So I can have a electrician come throw breakers in this panel and then those breakers will be only for the plug I put in correct? I’m trying to figure this out I watched some videos a slow talking country fella made for installing sub panels and it kinda helped but still not sure how the hell everyone knows where ground, neutral and hot wires go

 

[C.Berry]

Plug end for 110 I was using

 

[Jeff B]

Doesn't look like you have room for another breaker in that box. You can add a small box with a 50amp main, then add a 20 amp breaker that will feed a 110V plug in just below to feed your welder. However I think you should have a licensed electrician come help you I believe @Ron is pretty good with this type residential electrical.

 

[zuke]

What Jeff B. said, New Sub Panel, or upgrade that entire Subpanel, and a licensed Electrician should be able to tell you the best/most economical way to do it...

 

[C.Berry]

Doesn't look like you have room for another breaker in that box. You can add a small box with a 50amp main, then add a 20 amp breaker that will feed a 110V plug in just below to feed your welder. However I think you should have a licensed electrician come help you I believe @Ron is pretty good with this type residential electrical.

After looking it didn’t seem like I had room either I’ve seen smaller sub panels with 6 breaker places tho so thought I had two spots left

 

[zuke]

After looking it didn’t seem like I had room either I’ve seen smaller sub panels with 6 breaker places tho so thought I had two spots left

Yeah, Big box with a really small Bus Bar... seems like a waste, but on the other hand all that space would be nice while working on the four circuits it does provide

 

[C.Berry]

Yeah, Big box with a really small Bus Bar... seems like a waste, but on the other hand all that space would be nice while working on the four circuits it does provide

You mean that space as in wiring it up instead of 1000 wires to have to tuck in behind and stuff? I’m assuming that’s what happened there! So if I run another sub panel it has to go up to main box and can’t tap into the one down here correct? I’ll eventually figure this crap out I swear fellas lol

 

[C.Berry]

Or if I run another sub panel like the one in pic I could set it up with 2 15amp breakers for 110v plug and then have 2 20amp for 220v plug in that would only be used for my shop area I I use a 200 amp main breaker??Am I gettin this right? Lol if I setup panel and run all wires and recip and just let electrician come plug it up that wouldn’t cost much of anything would it? If I’m correct in my assumption lol

 

[C.Berry]

Basically clone that one and have it dedicated to shop!?

 

[zuke]

Basically clone that one and have it dedicated to shop!?

Sounds like a plan, If you can contact the electrician before you do anything, that would probably be best... some electricians aren't going to be willing to hook up wires that you ran.

 

[C.Berry]

Sounds like a plan, If you can contact the electrician before you do anything, that would probably be best... some electricians aren't going to be willing to hook up wires that you ran.

Ohh wasn’t aware of that! Luckily my neighbor is cert electrician that Can probably get this going! Now I gotta get power 200yards away to where the project is gonna be built lol

 

[C.Berry]

Thanks fellas I’ve learned something sorta gonna go more in depth when I have someone that knows what their doing it’ll be easier to learn in person hands on imo!