what axles....built toys or 1 tons

jeepcj3a

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been thinking about what im going to do with my project when i get back from abroad next summer if it doesnt sell before i leave. If it doesnt sell i will be selling the wheels/tires to get some money in my pocket. And its got me thinking about at that point switching from the toy axles to 1 tons before I put alot of money into the toy axles.

So im looking for any advice or input about my two options.

Option 1) toy axles(4.37 gear) with 30 spl., hub gears, chromo shafts in the rear, front trussed, welded rear and 35-37" tires

Option 2) dana 60 4.10 open (stock shafts), 14bff 4.10 w/detroit, 39.5" tires---- Or even a dana 70 rear, not set on a 14bff


Im a junior in college, dont have a tow rig or trailer, and dont see either happening in the next few years. So the truck has to be able to drive 1 hr. (URE when im home, and Gulches when im at school) have fun out there, and make it the 1 hr. back without any major problems. BTW its a '85 toyota with 4.3/th350/duals and will have leafs all around with either option.

Ive roughly come up with some numbers as to what i can sell my parts for and what i will have to spend to swap in 1 tons(ie. skys kit, 1 ton mc, driveshaft mods, steering) minus what it will take to build the toy axles with 30 splines/hub gears ect. and all said and done id spend about $800 more to swap in the 1 tons. [budgeted 2000 for 4.10 stock axles with xover or highsteer, 1000 for wheels/tires, 240 for sky kit, 300 for misc.]

Is that ~800 bucks worth it to go ahead and get the 1 tons so i can further build them in the future as needed, or should that extra money be put into more upgrades to the toy axles or elsewhere in the truck and keep the toy axles?


Thanks in advance, ive put alot of time into planning out how i wanted to build the truck, and so far am happy with it, just dont know what to do about the axles.
 
To be honest I say rockwells, IMO going to 1 tons is just a waste nowadays, and there's no reason you can't be streetable with a rockwell.

Rockwells end up costing bout the same as a geared and locked set of 1 tons, I guess if you ran the tons w/o gearing them then yea youd save money over rockwells thou.

Alot of people will say Rockwells are unpractical but after going throu 1/2 tons, 3/4 tons, 1 tons, and now rocks, I really don't see it being worth anyones time and effort not to just go strait to Rockwells.

That being said if your hellbent on yota's or tons, go with the tons, I am Mr. El cheapo himself I will try anything if it saves me money then I always end up spending much more than I would have going right in the first place. But for some reason I always still go the cheapo route . . . . . :shaking:
 
im gonna be the one to say yotas.

-They are light
-They are STRONG (with longs, your shafts will be stronger than that 60)
-3rd member. Cheap, easy to replace, with 4.10 gears you can blow up a ring gear and it only costs you $50
-Narrow enough to do well on a street driven mild build


Rockwells are retarded to drive on the street. Too wide, too heavy, need a motor to push them, need custom wheels, hard to stop, etc etc. They are not a DD type of axle.

One tons could be DD if you built them right.

Main difference being tire selection here. If you are running 40s, chances are they are gonna be a bias, trail only style tire (=$$$$). You can run them on a toyota (many do) very easily. Rockwells...same thing. You said with the yota you were gonna run 35-37...there are alot more options in that size range for a streetable tread.


Go with yotas. Dont look back.
 
jrraw23 said:
To be honest I say rockwells, IMO going to 1 tons is just a waste nowadays, and there's no reason you can't be streetable with a rockwell.

Rockwells end up costing bout the same as a geared and locked set of 1 tons, I guess if you ran the tons w/o gearing them then yea youd save money over rockwells thou.

Alot of people will say Rockwells are unpractical but after going throu 1/2 tons, 3/4 tons, 1 tons, and now rocks, I really don't see it being worth anyones time and effort not to just go strait to Rockwells.
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Holy shit.. Just ignore his whole post.. it's got bullshit in every paragraph, and I'm tired of explaining it. Ricky, you're an OK kid, but you really shouldn't be offering anyone advice, especially since you have 'built' a totally UN streetable rig on rockwells.

I think the 'tons will take more abuse, but you've forgotten a few things.. like, a 4.3 trying to push 39" tires with 4.10 gears at highway speeds is just going to bake the transmission, and might never be able to do it well..

Keep what you've got for now, especially in light of no tow rig.
 
Rich said:
I think the 'tons will take more abuse, but you've forgotten a few things.. like, a 4.3 trying to push 39" tires with 4.10 gears at highway speeds is just going to bake the transmission, and might never be able to do it well..

Keep what you've got for now, especially in light of no tow rig.
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curious, because i dont know. but why would it bake the transmission? I used novaks calculator and with 65 mph, 39" tires, 1:1 tranny, 1:1 high, and 4.10 gears the engines rpms would be 2296 which were within the range they said was good for a v6 or v8 (2200-2700 rpm). I was under the impression that if the engine was running at acceptable rpms, then it shouldnt put more stress than usual on the tranny.

And if i was to go with 1 tons im not set on 4.10 gears i just looked around and would be able to get a set with 4.10 or 4.56 for a more reasonable price. I do see though that ive overlooked other aspects of the swap.

If i end up having to keep the truck, i think i will change to 4.10 gears in the axles and get a spare 3rd or 2 just to be on the safe side.
 
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Z71 X infinity. I really wish Ricky would get some axles from a huge ass volvo center piviot dump truck...and some 10' tall terra tires. He would then have to move to the swamp lands to find big enough holes pitts to play in.
 
jrraw23 said:
Thank you, at least someone else appreciates the absolute dynasty that is the invunerable, mantasticular, Nastisimmal, quinticism that is the Z71
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isnt that thing broken?
 
getstucksome said:
ricky is the don king for Z71's everywhere
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Matt
 
damn there went chad's thread....

Anywho, Rich is spot on. Cruising along you MAY be ok, but acel/decel much in town and you are gong to have the slush box hating life. The nature of the TC causes it to build heat. hell the whole shooting match is controlled by pressurized fluid, when you pressurize a liquid by definition it heats up.
 
well im with these guys saying that youll hate 4.10s with 39s on the road... the thing that the calculator doesnt add in, is the extra weight involded in turning the bigger tires...

but with either setup and 4.10s, you could get ~35" street tires for DD purposes and change for the trail...


and im with slravene on sticking with the yotas... get some 30spls and chromo rears... maybe even cryo the gears, and getta extra 3rd with your ratio... i wouldnt go much deeper geared then you are now with yota axles
 
Something you may want to consider in the yota versus ton comparison is once you get tons, you can build them pretty close to the strength of a stock rockwell, but there's only so much you can do with yota axles.
 
yeah, ive decided that its going to come down to money, and how much each option is going to realistically cost me because i dont want to end up having the truck on jackstands an extra month or two just to swap in one tons or vise versa. so im going to come up with a budget and post it on here and hopefully some people will tell me where ive gone wrong or if im on the right track. And i realize now about the 4.10 gears and the tranny so if i was to go with one tons im going to look for at least 4.56 or like paradisePWoffrd said just get 2 sets of tires, one for the road and a less expensive set for offroad.
 
You can ride on stock tons until they break and have fairly good success with them (then upgrade), ride on longfield'd yota axles from the get go, or just jump straight to a rockwell. The rockwell option really isn't there for a DD.. but one ton axles come from one ton trucks (as we all know)... and are very commonly driven on a even 265 size tire, so streetability with them isn't an issue in my opinion, seeing as how many one ton chevys, fords, and dodges there are on the road. I guess one thing you also need to decide is the desired width you want. I would have to say that a 4.56 is a good idea.
 
Well

Built toy axles with ARB in the rear and 35s. Spend the rest on getting your suspension and steering beefed/done correctly.
 
if i keep the toy axles, these are the parts i would buy and install: 30spl longs, hub gears, knuckle rebuild kit(while the axle is apart, prob. a good idea), upper gusset, diff guard, knuckle ball gussets, chromo rear axles. those parts all new will run around 1372 including tax. And id be running 35's to 37's, and switch to 4.10 3rds. that wont include having someone with a press install the rear axles and getting help installing the rest of the stuff myself.

i know there are other parts out there to strengthen the axle but for my application would anyone suggest anything else for the axles?
 
already running an ifs rear with 4.37 welded. suspension is chevys rear/rears up front and ifs box is already tapped for hydro so im not going to be changing anything with my suspension with either axle setup
 
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