What is needed? Engineer or Architect?

WARRIORWELDING

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Got rough plans in my head for a container based stucture for studio/shop/storage. Building with power. Building with piers for foundation corners and floating deck/center floor area. Sides walls also support upper level storage and outer wall which roof trusses tie into to bridge open span of before mentioned deck/center. Center must support lift. Inner side walls double for small clear span crane. Ends closed in with draw bridge front deck entrance, and rear with opposite raised door effect for a open free flowing back deck feel. Complete with deck/grill/entertaining area.
Thanks. Got ideas and no clue on permits etcetera.
 
Willing to pay appropriate fees if reasonable to make this process bearable at the govt offices. Self built and contracted. Built on farm land and shooting for listing as farm structure...or something like that.
 
Willing to pay appropriate fees if reasonable to make this process bearable at the govt offices. Self built and contracted. Built on farm land and shooting for listing as farm structure...or something like that.
Drawings prints ect. A must have. Its the only way to communicate what I want and win my wife over to my adventure. She is very visual and my last experience let alone time is slim. My last auto cad used a digitizer pad, lol! :(
 
Are you going to act as GC?

With all the structural you have you will need a structural engineers seal. If you hire a GC to pull permits and hold liability they will secure the structural requirements. But if you are building and acting as GC you'll need an architect and structural seal.

@shawn and @trailhugger have connections and can offer better advice. I know a few retired structural engineers in Winston that dabble in residential if you can't find anyone
 
Wife will require architect to see it, county will require engineer for structural reasons. It's possible you can build it without an engineer's stamp if it is a "farm" building, but based on the intricate loading you want, I'd recommend having it math'd up by an engineer anyway.
 
Drawings prints ect. A must have. Its the only way to communicate what I want and win my wife over to my adventure. She is very visual and my last experience let alone time is slim. My last auto cad used a digitizer pad, lol! :(


Sounds like you need a revit model so she can do a navisworks walk thru.

I've got a guy in my office that MAY be interested in a hussle (side work on office software after hours) but he may be $40 hr or so. This will transfer to cad and to any arch/engineer for them to tweak but it also gives a virtual tour of what you are envisioning
 
Are you going to act as GC?

@shawn and @trailhugger have connections and can offer better advice. I know a few retired structural engineers in Winston that dabble in residential if you can't find anyone

Yes, I will be GC. Or at least dude doing 90% of the work. Permiting in my name.

Wife will require architect to see it, county will require engineer for structural reasons. It's possible you can build it without an engineer's stamp if it is a "farm" building, but based on the intricate loading you want, I'd recommend having it math'd up by an engineer anyway.

This entirely. Also will help weed out inherent bugs I don't foresee.

Sounds like you need a revit model so she can do a navisworks walk thru.

I've got a guy in my office that MAY be interested in a hussle (side work on office software after hours) but he may be $40 hr or so. This will transfer to cad and to any arch/engineer for them to tweak but it also gives a virtual tour of what you are envisioning
That's a start. I work with these better.
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Hardest part is going to be finding an SE that will work with sea containers. They're just a huge unknown.
 
Hardest part is going to be finding an SE that will work with sea containers. They're just a huge unknown.
As is the general thoughts from articles I have read. Also the primary reason for the inquiry. I can only imagine the looks I would get walking into the zoning Planning office with my "pole barn description". :confused:
Yet a lot has been done with them in various configurations. And a lot more in hopped up renderings of course.
 
If you just need a rendering or concept drawings, a designer can likely fit that need instead of an architect for that part of it. Depends on how simple the design is, and how much you want to spend to go from concept to final plans.

I'm going through a similar thing, but not with shipping containers. I decided to go with an architect instead of designer because I wanted something very creative of a particular style, but if I was just making a simple traditional garage I would have saved money and went with a designer instead. A designer is doing the bulk of the CAD work either way...

There's a container prefab company that used to advertise in Dwell, I can't remember the name. Good place for ideas though.

I would do so research on shipping container structure; there usually has to be a lot of reinforcement if they're stacked at anything other than corner-to-corner (directly aligned with each other), or if they are cut more than a little bit.

It somewhat sounds like youre building a pier-supported pole barn that will just be skinned with container sides? You likely need a separate structural floor support system if it's more than one container wide and needs to support vertical and bending point loads for the lift in a floating floor section. Also columns or poles to support the roof structure.

I've always been fascinated by them, but it seems that it rarely makes sense to make anything but small or very partitioned buildings because of the amount of extra structure involved to cut apart and use a few of them together. They're only structural when they're whole and stacked properly..

I really think the bulk of the project will be the structural engineering, because modifying and reinforcing the containers is the entire key to using containers. You're taking structural things, making them not structural, and then making them structural again together by reinforcing them.


It sounds really cool though...
 
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Got rough plans in my head for a container based stucture for studio/shop/storage. Building with power. Building with piers for foundation corners and floating deck/center floor area. Sides walls also support upper level storage and outer wall which roof trusses tie into to bridge open span of before mentioned deck/center. Center must support lift. Inner side walls double for small clear span crane. Ends closed in with draw bridge front deck entrance, and rear with opposite raised door effect for a open free flowing back deck feel. Complete with deck/grill/entertaining area.
Thanks. Got ideas and no clue on permits etcetera.
All I know is I'd like to see a rendering when you have one
 
All I know is I'd like to see a rendering when you have one
Anybody got an old drafting table with the mechanical arm or parrallel bar? I used to be damn good with one. My first love was buildings, then UNC Charlotte told me during my interview I didn't have what it took for their program. As a high school kid who never struggled at any subject it literally crushed my ambition. I haven't drawn a serious floor plan or rendering since.

This however has bounced in my brain for 10 years now...
 
Found this picture, thought it was pretty cool. Seems like they would be best suited for exterior walls storage/work areas. What kind of size are you shooting for?


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Found this picture, thought it was pretty cool. Seems like they would be best suited for exterior walls storage/work areas. What kind of size are you shooting for?


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2 forty footers, with walls on the outside edges doing what those top 2 accomplish. Use the tall versions too. Regular roof like a ranch house design. Clear span between the boxes min 20 feet. So I estimate 40 by 36/40 foot print plus the back deck area.
 
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Just saw that on the book of faces. Made me think of this thread.
Damn skippy! I like it. Now since I'm no carpenter how's this compare price wise to traditional trusses or engineered metal for the same spans??
 
If I read the description right (20x56), you would need 2 of their sections to get the coverage you want.....so there's $14k plus. I just bought 8 trusses ( covered 15') that span 30' with 4:12 pitch for about $1200. I think prices increased after pitch got steeper than a 6:12. Not sure how price increases with length, but I would say less than $5000 for just the trusses would cover you. You will have about 2700 square feet of roofing if you do 6:12, probably about $3500 worth of materials if you used shingles (I don't know metal prices). Maybe somebody else can help confirm my numbers....
 
Found this too, it was in the Tron movie Not the style you are shooting for but I thought it was cool.


EDIT: Exactly the style you are shooting for :D

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As a steel detailer I can say, you NEED a STRUCTURAL engineer as well as someone to design it. Draftsman/designer can design but something like that needs to be calced and stamped.
 
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