Why American Consumers can't add

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Its been a bit slow around here so i thought Id get everyone thinking a bit with an article I read on another site I frequent.
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/12/wh...alked-about-systemic-hidden-fee-fraud-al.html
WHY AMERICAN CONSUMERS CAN'T ADD
Posted: Tuesday, December 29 2009 at 06:00 am CT by Bob Sullivan
When I published "Gotcha Capitalism" two years ago, I was in for a big surprise. As I talked about systemic hidden fee fraud all around the country, many, many friends (and even co-workers) found me and asked in hushed tones, “What’s a mutual fund?” “What’s comprehensive and collision?” “What’s a mortgage point?”
It was obvious from these conversations that millions of Americans are severely lacking in financial basics, and this shortcoming played a major role in the housing bubble and the resulting economic collapse. I wanted to know why.
I'm the hidden fee guy, the “Gotcha” guy. People like me usually rant about dreadful banks are and how unfair big companies are, about how corporate greed caused our economic collapse and about how rampant unfairness built the house of cards that just collapsed all around us and sent the world into a global recession.
But it's impossible to ignore the fact that individual consumers made a lot of really bad choices in the past decade. They bought homes with $2,000 mortgages when they only earned $3,000 a month. They borrowed money at 30 percent interest to buy granite countertops. Aren’t they to blame for their own demise? To be an honest journalist, I had to ask: Why are American consumers so gullible, so seemingly out of control? Is there something wrong with us?
Yes, several things. But most important is this: Americans are terrible at math.
I know you know that. But my research shows we are far worse at math than you think.
Exhibit A: Think about the last time you had lunch with four or more friends. What happened when the bill came? Everyone pulled out calculators, there was a lot of murmuring and head scratching and still some of your friends just ended up throwing down a $20 bill and hoping for the best. Now, imagine that crowd in a car dealership or with a mortgage broker. They wouldn’t stand a chance.
Turns out, there's an entire field of study -- albeit a small one -- devoted to this subject. It's called “innumeracy” -- or mathematical illiteracy. It’s a hidden epidemic in our society. And the consequences are dire.
Just as there is a hidden epidemic of people who are functionally illiterate in our country, there is big problem (bigger, by my reckoning) with people who can’t do basic math. There’s no way to function in our society without understanding money, percentages, interest calculation and so on. Yet in a recent government study, less than one in seven American adults ranked “proficient” at math.
Here are a few examples of innumeracy in action:
According to the Department of Education’s National Assessment of Adult Literacy, U.S. adults are terrible at solving real-world math problems, like calculating tips or comparing prices in grocery stores. Some dismal results:
*Only 42 percent were able to pick out two items on a menu, add them, and calculate a tip.
*Only 1 in 5 could reliably calculate mortgage interest.
*1 in 5 could not calculate weekly salary when told an hourly pay rate.
*Only 13 percent were deemed “proficient.” Worse yet, only 1 in 10 women, 1 in 25 Hispanics and 1 in 50 African Americans made the grade.
*Americans are terrified of numbers when it counts most: 20 million Americans pay someone to file their 1040EZ, a one-page tax form with around 10 blanks to fill out.
Also, these numbers show up in U.S. student math scores, which are abysmal:
*The U.S. ranks 25th among 30 industrialized nations in math scores, down near Serbia and Uruguay. U.S. students thought they had the highest grades of any nation in the study, however.
*Half of 17 year olds couldn't do enough math to work in an auto plant, according to President's National Mathematics Advisory Panel.
*Study after study shows U.S. achievement falls off the cliff during middle school, when subjects like fractions and percentages are introduced -- exactly the skills you need as a consumer or, for that matter, to move on to algebra, calculus and advanced sciences.
But here’s another essential point. How can Johnny learn to add if Johnny’s teachers can’t?
*In 18 U.S. states, not even one elementary math class is required for certification.
*Some teaching colleges allow admittance as long as students have math skills equal to their future students -- that is, as long as they could pass a 5th grade math test.
*It's possible in some states to pass the teacher certification exam (Praxis) without answering a single math question correctly.
*In Massachusetts, there's a special program to reacquaint teachers with math. The man who runs the program says half of teachers can't answer basic questions involving fractions and has concluded that many elementary teachers are "phobic" about math.
*Teachers seem to be math-averse from the start. College bound seniors headed for elementary education have math SAT scores significantly lower than the national average (483 vs. 515).
There are many, many other reasons why U.S. consumers tripped and fell down a mine shaft during the past two years. In my new book, "Stop Getting Ripped Off," I lay out a series of other explanations: Greed, laziness, lack of government regulation and magical thinking. And I offer up my own handy guide to solving today’s consumer puzzles, from buying a home to saving for retirement. But innumeracy is the biggest culprit.
Two years ago, I would have had to lay out a doomsday scenario to draw attention to this ticking time bomb. Well, the bomb’s gone off. People who were bad at math could hardly have been expected to see through the consequences of an adjustable-rate mortgage, or to make a sound bet on their future earnings potential. These consumers didn’t stand a chance against mortgage brokers, real estate agent and an overheated market. They can’t fight with financial planners over fees that are swallowing one-third of their retirement savings. Heck, they can’t even stop taking out 250 percent APR payday loans, 1,000 percent overdraft protection loans or paying tax preparation firms $100 for three minutes work to fill out simple tax forms. Now, millions of individuals are losing their homes and are on pace to become destitute in old age.
If I only shine a light on only one topic with this book, I hope it will be the hidden epidemic of innumeracy in America. Because if we can’t add, if we continue suffer from an extreme lack of mathematical self-confidence, any recovery we begin is surely doomed.
 
*Only 1 in 5 could reliably calculate mortgage interest.


Wow, i never thought that many could do it. I sure as hell can't.
 
Have you ever bought fries, total bill is 0.96, you toss 'em a buck and a penny...McClerk gives you the deer in the headlight look.
Sad but true
 
*Only 1 in 5 could reliably calculate mortgage interest.

Wow, i never thought that many could do it. I sure as hell can't.

WOW - really? That is sooo easy.
Yes it gets a little complicated if you need to compound intereso monthly and calculate a total APR, but I reseriously doubt that's what they mean, and even so, if you have teh equation it's just plug 'n play.

My Mom used to teach math at Wake Tech, a few years ago she transfered to Halifax CC in Roanoke Rapids. The thinsg she tells me about her students flat out blows my mind and scares the shit out of me. Yep, lie kabove, she often hast hem that can't even reduce fractions or add anything with a decimal.

I was one of thosek ids who *hated* math (much to Mom's chagrin) but now I really see the value of it... yes I'm in a pretty select occupation, but I literally use some form of it almost every day.
Personally I'm a big propoent of teaching more applied math - showing kids every day applications where it comes up, and practicing those. as much as everybody hates them- more "word problems"! And... less calculators!
Every time I fill up my gas tank, I calculate my MPGs in my head while driving to the next place... just for the practice... often I can balpark it faster that Wifey can type into a calculator.
it's like any skill, practice practice practice...
 
Well I am glad to say the one area I excel in school was Math.. and it has helped me a lot through the years..
 
Blame it on Calculators IMO, going through school you get to a certain point where you go from studying basic math to the more complicated problems . . . at which point they let you use a calculator . . . once that happens all basic math can be thrown out the window - why do it in your head when you can use a calculator?

Because of this all the easy basic math that you could have rattled off at a younger age is lost. I am a front and center culprit, I seriously have to pause everything and create a sort of chalkboard in my head to do simple math because I used calculators so much. So I quite literally don't even try anymore - I just flat out tell people I can't math in my head anymore in a conversation and let someone else rattle off the numbers.

And its easy to tell who is going to be the one to rattle off said numbers . . . somebody older. Somebody who is 10 or so years older per say (I'm 24). People my age are rarely not in the boat where they can't do simple math in their heads, whereas someone just a few years older can always rattle it off.

I say blame the problem on the education system - they just don't care about basic math at any level. I've been out of school for bout a year and a half and the last time I can remember having to use basic math was back in Middle school like they mentioned in the article. So for 8+ years of schooling in high school and college there was no need for basic math when you could use a calculator.

Why would anyone remember how to do basic math when you haven't been required to do it for 8 years?

But then of course all through high school and college you have to tediously study physics and calculus type math . . . Unless that was someone's specific job either performing or teaching (and I can only think of one or two people, out of all the people I know) I really don't know anyone in my age group who uses those kind of calculations in their life or job, glad they made us spend so much time studying it . . . .

Which is why I'm glad my concentration in College was Finance and I minored in Accounting, those classes taught me all I needed to know bout how the real world worked and how retarded all of the financial systems the entire Country uses really are.













Granted I still have to use a calculator thou to do any of the calculations :shaking:
 
funny story... kinda related to this subject.

Went to the pul-a-part on N. Tryon in Charlotte (near Tarheel 4wd) to look for a truck cab. I noticed that there was a large sign saying no cell-phones while in line, and a girl behind the counter taking money while talking on her cell-phone. It came my turn to pay a buck to look, handed the girl a 10, she gave me 19 back without ever looking up. I started to return the money, but was kinda pissed about the stupidity of the sign combined with the rudeness of the employees complete disregard of the rule they expected me to follow.

I didnt find what i was looking for, but i made 9 bucks.
 
Blame it on Calculators IMO, going through school you get to a certain point where you go from studying basic math to the more complicated problems . . . at which point they let you use a calculator . . . once that happens all basic math can be thrown out the window - why do it in your head when you can use a calculator?

Because of this all the easy basic math that you could have rattled off at a younger age is lost. I am a front and center culprit, I seriously have to pause everything and create a sort of chalkboard in my head to do simple math because I used calculators so much. So I quite literally don't even try anymore - I just flat out tell people I can't math in my head anymore in a conversation and let someone else rattle off the numbers.

And its easy to tell who is going to be the one to rattle off said numbers . . . somebody older. Somebody who is 10 or so years older per say (I'm 24). People my age are rarely not in the boat where they can't do simple math in their heads, whereas someone just a few years older can always rattle it off.

I say blame the problem on the education system - they just don't care about basic math at any level. I've been out of school for bout a year and a half and the last time I can remember having to use basic math was back in Middle school like they mentioned in the article. So for 8+ years of schooling in high school and college there was no need for basic math when you could use a calculator.

Why would anyone remember how to do basic math when you haven't been required to do it for 8 years?

But then of course all through high school and college you have to tediously study physics and calculus type math . . . Unless that was someone's specific job either performing or teaching (and I can only think of one or two people, out of all the people I know) I really don't know anyone in my age group who uses those kind of calculations in their life or job, glad they made us spend so much time studying it . . . .

im in exactly the same boat. i can do the math, just not in my head. if i write it out, i can get it done but its not quick or easy. my grandfather on the other hand can add subtract multiply and divide any set of numbers you throw at him in his head.

i agree again about having to learn how to to all that crazy useless math. for the life of me i cant think of one instance in my life where i will every need to know how to use all the crap i memorized for calculus class then forgot.
 
:shaking:I'm still amazed at the people that can't read a tape measure and add and subtract fractions or find the center of measurements!
 
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