Wood stove inserts

Loganwayne

Loganwayne

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I’ve got a 80’s something insert in my house now. I got a letter for a pilot program where American lung association is giving a credit to replace the stove with a new epa certified stove. My dad replaced his stove a few years ago for around 2500 installed with all the bells and whistles, not bad when the credit is for 750.00. Kicker is I can only use 1 of 3 places to get a stove and use the credit and the first one I talked with said it would be north of 5,500 to install (which is required for the credit). I think that’s stupid high and they are gouging people with the credit. That said I’m looking into other options and just sell my old stove to recoup some of the cost. I’m going to look at some Appalachain stoves next week, but looking at some of the big box stores stoves as well. Does anyone have a stove from Lowe’s, northern tool, ACE or anywhere else like that? How was the stove and it’s function. I realize there is gonna be a difference in a 750-1200 stove and a 2500-3000 stove but I’m wondering if there is a big enough difference to justify the cost difference.


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Loganwayne said:
I’ve got a 80’s something insert in my house now. I got a letter for a pilot program where American lung association is giving a credit to replace the stove with a new epa certified stove. My dad replaced his stove a few years ago for around 2500 installed with all the balls and whistles, not bad when the credit is for 750.00. Kicker is I can only use 1 of 3 places to get a stove and use the credit and the first one I talked with said it would be north of 5,500 to install (which is required for the credit). I think that’s stupid high and they are gouging people with the credit. That said I’m looking into other options and just sell my old stove to recoup some of the cost. I’m going to look at some Appalachain stoves next week, but looking at some of the big box stores stoves as well. Does anyone have a stove from Lowe’s, northern tool, ACE or anywhere else like that? How was the stove and it’s function. I realize there is gonna be a difference in a 750-1200 stove and a 2500-3000 stove but I’m wondering if there is a big enough difference to justify the cost difference.


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WTH is on your mind?
 
I know the new epa stoves only want very well seasonal wood , so just keep that in mind...if not seasoned well the moisture will stop up the catalyst

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New stove new regulations. I also agree they are way more picky about fuel and have higher maintenance. I would repair or stick with what you have. Try pricing new water stoves that are EPA compliant. Between the cost and time needed to buy or cut wood you'd never save enough over other energy alternatives. I don't buy fully into the health or environmental concerns, I do see how utilities and other folks could lobby hard to keep the consumer buying other energy sources. Burning wood isn't rocket science and building a clean burning hot fire takes care of itself. I don't need a gimmick or engineer to over complicate the matter to get fewer emissions........then again I got that one neighbor who yearly fogs the entire area smoldering leaves. Perfectly unregulated.:shaking:
 
Loganwayne said:
not all of the epa stoves are catalyst, but all my wood dries for at least a year before i burn it.
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Any manufactured after a certain date has to pass new regs. How they do it from model to model is different. Some redirect the smock flow to a re-burn chamber of sorts. Still more parts and less life.
 
Tacoma747 said:
If you are concerned just go put a catalyst on it. For that $$$ I would stick with what you have.
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the Catalyst arent all what they have been hyped up to be my dads stove had one and he took it off due to clogging up. but the efficiency of his stove is way better than mine. we both use wood as the primary heat source during winter, his house is about 2800 SF story and a half with a big loft and vaulted ceilings. i have a single story house that's about 1000 SF and burn at least twice as much wood as he does now with similar sized stoves. i realized this after i started cutting wood for both of us the amount i was using compared to him was crazy. id say my old stove is 40-50% efficient and even the cheap EPA stoves are 75-80% efficient now
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
Any manufactured after a certain date has to pass new regs. How they do it from model to model is different. Some redirect the smock flow to a re-burn chamber of sorts. Still more parts and less life.
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most ive looked at are the Duel Burn or double burn depending on brand how they call it. i could really care less about the epa stuff. but after two years of cutting wood for myself and my dad im realizing i can cut the amount of wood i need in about 1/2 buy going to the newer more efficient stoves.
 
Loganwayne said:
the Catalyst arent all what they have been hyped up to be my dads stove had one and he took it off due to clogging up. but the efficiency of his stove is way better than mine. we both use wood as the primary heat source during winter, his house is about 2800 SF story and a half with a big loft and vaulted ceilings. i have a single story house that's about 1000 SF and burn at least twice as much wood as he does now with similar sized stoves. i realized this after i started cutting wood for both of us the amount i was using compared to him was crazy. id say my old stove is 40-50% efficient and even the cheap EPA stoves are 75-80% efficient now
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I'd like a link or "direct" to said efficient stove.....I don't mind reverse engineering something that works for myself. If its got thermostat controlled draft and air flow devices however I'm not interested.

edit... beat me to it im going to research those names. thanks
 
@Loganwayne got any specific brands? found one in the UK! nice but shipping would be a bitch!
 
I have a Buck 85 high efficiency but not catalyst stove in my house. The stove has some tubes in the top that are supposed to reburn ash and other smoke causing particles. Once the stove is up to temperature it emits almost no smoke. It took a little getting used to as it doesn't have a damper, just air vents. It will not tolerate green wood, at all. I love the stove now that I know what it likes. It will has a fairly small firebox but will hold a fire all day. It uses about a half of the wood that the older stove and puts out a lot of heat.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
I'd like a link or "direct" to said efficient stove.....I don't mind reverse engineering something that works for myself. If its got thermostat controlled draft and air flow devices however I'm not interested.

edit... beat me to it im going to research those names. thanks
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from what ive watched on the construction there are no extra moving parts just added pathways to keep the smoke heated longer for combustion to happen
 
My old craft stove insert burs pretty clean and will heat our house well. I can stoke it at bed time and still have hot coals and a warm house when I wake up. Once the house is warm I toss in a log every couple hours just to keep it rolling. But with the damper half closed and the drafts turned down, itll burn for a while and still make heat. I like the older, straight forward stoves better. Mine will burn most anything.
 
JSJJ388 said:
My old craft stove insert burs pretty clean and will heat our house well. I can stoke it at bed time and still have hot coals and a warm house when I wake up. Once the house is warm I toss in a log every couple hours just to keep it rolling. But with the damper half closed and the drafts turned down, itll burn for a while and still make heat. I like the older, straight forward stoves better. Mine will burn most anything.
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my stove doesn't hold fire very well over night. ive replaced all the seals on the doors and glass and no matter what i do it wont keep the house warm from when i go to bed and pack the stove at 11 to when i get up at 5:30 or 6. there will be coals but it takes a little work to get them going again once i add wood. this is one of the reasons i was strongly wanting to look at newer stoves. Im tired of getting up at 5:30 and it being 50 degrees (where i leave the thermostat at) if i didnt leave it there it would probably be colder.
 
Loganwayne said:
my stove doesn't hold fire very well over night. ive replaced all the seals on the doors and glass and no matter what i do it wont keep the house warm from when i go to bed and pack the stove at 11 to when i get up at 5:30 or 6. there will be coals but it takes a little work to get them going again once i add wood. this is one of the reasons i was strongly wanting to look at newer stoves. Im tired of getting up at 5:30 and it being 50 degrees (where i leave the thermostat at) if i didnt leave it there it would probably be colder.
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Yea, thats no bueno.
 
termitebuffet said:
I've heard guys up north , doing 2-3 years of seasoning on the cat style stoves..

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Idk what they are burning but all we cut is standing dead Locust. Most of it is dry when it’s cut and then it’s stacked and dried. But either way I don’t want a cat stove just another thing to break.


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Loganwayne said:
Idk what they are burning but all we cut is standing dead Locust. Most of it is dry when it’s cut and then it’s stacked and dried. But either way I don’t want a cat stove just another thing to break.


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These guys talk about seasoning oak 3 years....where you at ...in regards to the locust?? I've heard it's great wood..

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