Boooooo

He's in violation of holding the unassigned title. That's in there, too.

I quoted that one because of all the people saying that you don't have to assign a buyer in order to get it notarized. The law is clear, the instructions on the title are clear, just because the lady at the tag office didn't have a problem with you filling it out doesn't mean shit.
 
Ron said:
Shawn
Fuller never legally owner those vehicles. Only the owner can assign the title so the owner is the one who is fraudulent on your first part.

Re-read your last quote the seller is the one who fails to comply not the buyer. Legally speaking JF never owned any of those vehicles.
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Ron, I've tended to be memorized by your knowledge and skill since noticing you. Are you a lawyer as well?
Or have you just went through a lot of women. :smokin: Every woman I ever met was a natural lawyer and never forgot a single fact. You have to be a lawyer just to break up with a woman...
 
6BangBronk said:
Ron, I've tended to be memorized by your knowledge and skill since noticing you. Are you a lawyer as well?
Or have you just went through a lot of women. :smokin: Every woman I ever met was a natural lawyer and never forgot a single fact. You have to be a lawyer just to break up with a woman...
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Been married to my highschool sweetheart since I was 21 and with her since 15 so nope ont eh lot of women....
And nope not a lawyer.
But I did get busted selling too many vehicles once and learned my damn lesson.


On this particular one I sent my thought to a member of the NC bar to ask his opinion (and posted it) before I got into an argument with Shawn...

FWIW I actually researched the NC statutes about an hour the night it all went down trying to determin if he had actually committed a felony as someone stated. Couldnt find a felony but found a few other laws he broke...
 
And I actually inhaled too.:lol: So I've broken the law.

We all break laws daily and don't even know it. Sometimes it takes a lesson learned before you actually KNOW right from wrong. And it's best to be taught right instead of prosecuted on the spot.

Nothing else, we sure learned what will get you kicked out of this joint in a hurry!:flipoff2: I'll most likely NEVER dabble in posting any of my many build threads on any of my trucks now knowing "Anything I type can and will be held against me in the court of law".:shaking:

When I've exhausted all my learning on here and my fees expire (or if I accidentally type something wrong and get voted off), Ya'll can have this babyish NC specific type of bull-:poop:...

:beer:
 
6BangBronk said:
And I actually inhaled too.:lol: So I've broken the law.

We all break laws daily and don't even know it. Sometimes it takes a lesson learned before you actually KNOW right from wrong. And it's best to be taught right instead of prosecuted on the spot.

Nothing else, we sure learned what will get you kicked out of this joint in a hurry!:flipoff2: I'll most likely NEVER dabble in posting any of my many build threads on any of my trucks now knowing "Anything I type can and will be held against me in the court of law".:shaking:

When I've exhausted all my learning on here and my fees expire (or if I accidentally type something wrong and get voted off), Ya'll can have this babyish NC specific type of bull-:poop:...

:beer:
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We are all here to learn from eachother and have fun. JF asked questions, we gave answers, he ignored our advise over and over and over and over and even tried argueing it. You cant tell a kid not to pee on an electric fence 20 times and not laugh at him when he does. If anybody on here limped their rig to my house asking for help, I would back my junk out and help all day long (JF included). But I wont do unsafe/illegal stuff on purpose, you can pack your crap up and get out of my AO. There comes a time when you just cant help somebody when they wont listen.
 
6BangBronk said:
we sure learned what will get you kicked out of this joint in a hurry!:flipoff2:
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I don't know about "in a hurry" but he for surely wore out his welcome here. Maybe it was just me, but I thought he killed every thread he posted in, and I'm a pretty tolerant person.
 
Maybe I'm wrong...but every newer title I've seen the sellers signature is what's being notarized, not the buyers. That's why there's a section for the notary that states "I certify that the following person(s) personally appeared before me this day, each acknowledging to me that he or she voluntarily signed the foregoing document for the purpose stated heron and in the capacity indicated " then there is a line for the notary to print only the seller or sellers names...not the buyers. Then you have 28 days to fill it out or pay a late fee. It's different for dealers. Unless the DMV's website and all titles are wrong.

PS..... and the DMV officer who's standing here as I type...
 
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6BangBronk said:
And I actually inhaled too.:lol: So I've broken the law.

We all break laws daily and don't even know it. Sometimes it takes a lesson learned before you actually KNOW right from wrong. And it's best to be taught right instead of prosecuted on the spot.

Nothing else, we sure learned what will get you kicked out of this joint in a hurry!:flipoff2: I'll most likely NEVER dabble in posting any of my many build threads on any of my trucks now knowing "Anything I type can and will be held against me in the court of law".:shaking:

When I've exhausted all my learning on here and my fees expire (or if I accidentally type something wrong and get voted off), Ya'll can have this babyish NC specific type of bull-:poop:...

:beer:
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Look at this from the opposite perspective.
This website is actually a business that Shawn and Cyd own.
The information posted on this website is publicly accessible.
If a member posts that he conducts illegal activity and nothing is said then the inference is that this business condones and maybe even supports illegal activity.
In legal eyes I believe that is known as aiding and abetting.

The member in question has already been banned once before for publicly stating he was selling a stolen vehicle(not an open title but a stolen vehicle). He created a new name and snuck back in. Somewhere along the way it was determined he had done so and was basically given a free chance to remain..then he began bragging about the fact that he was conducting illegal business. As far as I can tell the owner's had no choice but to drop the hammer.
 
Ron said:
Look at this from the opposite perspective.
This website is actually a business that Shawn and Cyd own.
The information posted on this website is publicly accessible.
If a member posts that he conducts illegal activity and nothing is said then the inference is that this business condones and maybe even supports illegal activity.
In legal eyes I believe that is known as aiding and abetting.

The member in question has already been banned once before for publicly stating he was selling a stolen vehicle(not an open title but a stolen vehicle). He created a new name and snuck back in. Somewhere along the way it was determined he had done so and was basically given a free chance to remain..then he began bragging about the fact that he was conducting illegal business. As far as I can tell the owner's had no choice but to drop the hammer.
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I didn't know all the facts. I understand now. I was only posting towards this thread of holding an open title. And I'll stand behind the fact that it's not illegal. And a laughing matter at DMV for they always joke and tell me they can sign their name and not give it back to me when I forget. I always respond that they wouldn't want it if I gave it to them.
 
Ron said:
Look at this from the opposite perspective.
This website is actually a business that Shawn and Cyd own.
The information posted on this website is publicly accessible.
If a member posts that he conducts illegal activity and nothing is said then the inference is that this business condones and maybe even supports illegal activity.
In legal eyes I believe that is known as aiding and abetting.

The member in question has already been banned once before for publicly stating he was selling a stolen vehicle(not an open title but a stolen vehicle). He created a new name and snuck back in. Somewhere along the way it was determined he had done so and was basically given a free chance to remain..then he began bragging about the fact that he was conducting illegal business. As far as I can tell the owner's had no choice but to drop the hammer.
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nicer than I would've been...I wouldn't have let him stay.
 
well I saw last night he was banned, again. How many times is it now? anyway I wondered what I had missed this time. Im always a day late. yep, not even duct will fix stupid.
and yes. there is a fine line on the laws on titles. But for sure will get charged for the least of title skipping. seen a lot a young guys around here get that ticket. they come by our lot in a different ride all the time. and usually running a bad tag. so another ticket
 
Clif notes: If the sellers name is signed and the buyer's name is not and you aren't the person who signed as the seller = bad.
 
20-71. Altering or forging certificate of title, registration card or application, a felony; reproducing or possessing blank certificate of title.
(a) Any person who, with fraudulent intent, shall alter any certificate of title, registration card issued by the Division, or any application for a certificate of title or registration card, or forge or counterfeit any certificate of title or registration card purported to have been issued by the Division under the provisions of this Article, or who, with fraudulent intent, shall alter, falsify or forge any assignment thereof, or who shall hold or use any such certificate, registration card, or application, or assignment, knowing the same to have been altered, forged or falsified, shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be punished in the discretion of the court.
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person with fraudulent intent to reproduce or possess a blank North Carolina certificate of title or facsimile thereof. Any person, firm or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class I felony. (1937, c. 407, s. 35; 1959, c. 1264, s. 2; 1971, c. 99; 1975, c. 716, s. 5; 1979, c. 499; 1993, c. 539, s. 1251; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).


So, one must meet the criteria of section A or B to be guilty of a crime. Now if I sign my title have it notarized today and sell you my the car tomorrow, it will be impossible for anyone to say that I did this "with fraudulent intent" I have nothing to gain! Now if I buy a few cars from someone and the title is "open" then I leave it that way for a few months then sell the car and just pass on the title to the new owner, now I am guilty! I have "fraudulent intent" I am trying to get out of a retitleing fee, I am trying to make the car more valuable because it's still just a one owner or second owner....it is illegal to walk across the train tracks, you probably will not ever have anything said if you do it, but if ten of you are camping out all the time....it is alot of word games that we could argue about all night..personally I think JF had enough reasons to be banned a long time ago!
 
While it is true that the DMV does not require that the buyer info is filled out when you go to them to transfer a title and to register, this does not mean that you can hold a title open to resell to a 3rd party. This is "curbstoning", selling like a dealer but not licensed as a dealer. It is tax evasion and every state has laws against it. The DMV realizes that not everyone can get a notary together with the buyer and seller in all cases and gives this little bit of leeway to help make private sales easier ( I spoke with a person who is a family friend and a DMV employee).

People do it, take advantage of it, but it is still illegal. The law states that when you purchase/sell a vehicle that a transfer of title must take place. Taxes must be paid and a paper trail of owners must be recorded.



JF is a tragedy really. A person who I feel was sort of slow and had an interest in a great hobby. He made some truly colossal mis-steps and was hard headed when corrected, but I fear this was due to a lifetime of constantly defending himself. After a while, you stop listening when all you hear is negative, even when it's your own fault. What I hate is that this community was/is "hard" concerning people such as him. We tend to use his issues as an excuse to satisfy our desire to belittle and pick (pack mentality). I have done it to, so pointing at myself here as well.

I agree he was somewhat bullied. I hate that early on I had a hand in it. I realized after a while though that he couldn't help how he was any more than any other person with a learning disability.

All this is subjective, I realize some won't agree. Eating the weak doesn't make us stronger however.
 
Jody Treadway said:
I'm married to a "by the book" notary. I just asked her about this and she communicated that LEGALLY, both parties are to be present in front of the notary regardless. Sure people do and have done it other ways, but that doesn't mean it's legal.
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My wife is a notary also and she says only the seller has to be notarized. It's crazy that it's perceived differently with different notarys.
 
trailhugger said:
Bless y'all's hearts.

-HMFBIC
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Your house=your rules. (and that Hippy you are married to) LOL!
A few rules i live by are,
If you don't like it, leave.
If you don't like me, don't come to my crib.
If you need a beer and are hungry, stay awhile.
If you don't like a particular webz site, do not press the enter button thingy.
Kinda simple actually.
Flame away haters. I'll be @ The Dixie Run this weekend!
Signed,
Andre Rommele Young.
 
so are yall kepping him band or is this just a slap on the wrist for saying somthing on here thats illegal
 
madJeepJ10 said:
so are yall kepping him band or is this just a slap on the wrist for saying somthing on here thats illegal
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I have no idea where you get "ya'll" from. the decision came from the Admin.. Your question should be directed to @shawn, keeper of the realm..
 
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lol ok i thought it was a group thing my bad ok shawn the quiston is to you please thank you
 
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