Boirl Scouts

The name is changing to Scouts of America as it should have done along time ago when the organization started other programs like the explorers and venture scouts. The biggest problem I have seen with scouting trying to change to fit modern times is the old people not wanting to except the fact it has to change to survive. I saw this issue with any little thing we attempted to change at camp. Like wanting to move the climbing tower to main camp instead of it being rebuilt in the same spot where the old one rotted away a mile from camp. When it was that far away no one would ever hike to it so it wasn't being used. But the counter arguments of why not to move it was because it has always been there.

It wasn't just the board that voted on the issue of accepting girls into the scouting movement it also went in front of the youth representives at the yearly meeting. Change needs to happen in order to better serve the youth of America in this changing world.

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Keith Odom said:
Change needs to happen in order to better serve the youth of America in this changing world.
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I absolutely love this statement. Where I work and probably where a lot of you guys work too, old timers are always reluctant to change.
 
UTfball68 said:
Thank you...those were facts I was looking for, rather than nostalgia, opinion and feelings.
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yet you decided to inundate us with yours :rolleyes:
superman27344 said:
I have a question. I wasn't in the boy scouts and my sister wasn't in the girl scouts so I honestly dont know anything about them. Do the boy scouts not have the same or at least similar activities as the girl scouts do? I am just curious as to why a girl would want to be in the boy scouts or a boy in the girl scouts unless they actually had vastly different activities. I just always assumed that both organizations were about outdoors and camping and wearing really odd uniforms.
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I was going to ask the same thing about Jeeps in non-Jeep clubs.
 
Everytime to stop by to check this thread....
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JSJJ388 said:
When a 2nd grader thinks she is a he, you know that its not her talking, its the parents!
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I haven't gotten involved in a discussion on this board in a few months, but had to respond to this. You are wrong. You need to educate yourself on transgender people. That is all I am going to say about that.
 
UTfball68 said:
I figured precedent had been set, so everyone was allowed to talk out of their ass.
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that precedent was set here a very long time ago
 
drkelly said:
I haven't gotten involved in a discussion on this board in a few months, but had to respond to this. You are wrong. You need to educate yourself on transgender people. That is all I am going to say about that.
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I am educated on the matter. I have done plenty of research on it. "Transgender" is a mental disorder. You are either male of female. This is determined by your chromosomes and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change it. It is simple biology. Anyone who thinks that they are the opposite gender should be treated and helped, just like we should with any other mental illness. If you believe that you can change your gender, then it is you who needs to educate yourself, not me.
 
RatLabGuy said:
that precedent was set here a very long time ago
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UTfball68 said:
I figured precedent had been set, so everyone was allowed to talk out of their ass.
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Thanks fellas.....seems certain food and people make my belly grumble. Glad you could chalk my Ernest effort in the conversation as speaking from my ass.

I guess emotional connections and spiritual feelings will be chalked up to heartburn.

I can't debate well. But I am glad someone set the record straight on the complete shift to an entirely different focus. So it's safe to say the ol Boys club is dead. So in with No Special Program that's specific to your gender..........nothing special. No focus on your gender. No emotional, rational, spiritual tie to just being a group of young men or women on a common plarform...no room for argument. This is the core from which I stand firm. Boys and girls are special. I wish the changing dynamics that our resident brain fella made clear wasn't the case. I agree with the single parent delimas. I also feel the special line between being a young man or woman is diluted in the process. If anything remember my side as sincere.
 
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JSJJ388 said:
I am educated on the matter. I have done plenty of research on it. "Transgender" is a mental disorder. You are either male of female. This is determined by your chromosomes and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change it. It is simple biology. Anyone who thinks that they are the opposite gender should be treated and helped, just like we should with any other mental illness. If you believe that you can change your gender, then it is you who needs to educate yourself, not me.
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If you think it is always simple black and white/binary with the way that chromosomes are actually expressed, then you need to go back and do some real research.
Biology is messy. Mistakes happen. Phenotypic expression and genotypic definition are two very different things.
Yes, it is a "mental disorder": in the extent that abnormal physiology creates an abnormal mindset, and yes the best - and only - course is treatment. And sometimes that treatment is reassignment of gender.
And just to be clear, that's not just a random opinion, its a statement based on decades of experience as a scientist.

Now, are there a LOT of cases of people adding confusion to their kids' lives by pushing gender neutrality or transgenderism where it doesn't exist? Yes. It's a real problem. But that doesn't make "transgender" a non-real thing.
 
JSJJ388 said:
I am educated on the matter. I have done plenty of research on it. "Transgender" is a mental disorder. You are either male of female. This is determined by your chromosomes and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change it. It is simple biology. Anyone who thinks that they are the opposite gender should be treated and helped, just like we should with any other mental illness. If you believe that you can change your gender, then it is you who needs to educate yourself, not me.
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It reminds me of that dude who swore he needed his leg taken off. So he waited till the wife and kids left one day and put his leg in a cooler full of dry ice. It forced the doctors to remove it. After that, the dude was happy as a clam. The doctors ended up saying it was a mental issue that others face as well. I consider gender issues in that same boat. Why we don't focus on helping the mental state instead of encouraging it is beyond me. However, in contrast to that I do feel we over medicate society. If you go back in time you'll notice that some of mankind's greatest thinkers had some quirk that allowed them to approach the world differently.
 
JSJJ388 said:
Nope, not at all. What Im saying is that girls and boys need different things to mature. And that once mature, each has their own important role. In a Christian marriage it is the mans responsibility to provide for his family. Now, if a woman likes to hunt and fish then thats great! The more people out enjoying Gods creation the better! But, so long as there is a husband, she should not HAVE to go out and provide. Its not that she cant, its that its not her responsibility. I base my beliefs on the Bible, which clearly lays out who is to do what as a general rule. It all goes back to the way the sexes think and operate. You cant cater well to both with one style/structure/curriculum. Sure, we can teach both the same way, but it wont be effective. Im not really sure what is so hard to understand about this.
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The majority of my wife's coworkers husbands are stay at home dads. My wife's boss is a woman, and her husband was a stay at home dad. Times have changed.
 
RatLabGuy said:
If you think it is always simple black and white/binary with the way that chromosomes are actually expressed, then you need to go back and do some real research.
Biology is messy. Mistakes happen. Phenotypic expression and genotypic definition are two very different things.
Yes, it is a "mental disorder": in the extent that abnormal physiology creates an abnormal mindset, and yes the best - and only - course is treatment. And sometimes that treatment is reassignment of gender.
And just to be clear, that's not just a random opinion, its a statement based on decades of experience as a scientist.

Now, are there a LOT of cases of people adding confusion to their kids' lives by pushing gender neutrality or transgenderism where it doesn't exist? Yes. It's a real problem. But that doesn't make "transgender" a non-real thing.
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I well over 99% of people, there are no genetic abnormalities related to gender. The vast majority of people claiming to be another gender are just trying to cause a scene.


McCracken said:
It reminds me of that dude who swore he needed his leg taken off. So he waited till the wife and kids left one day and put his leg in a cooler full of dry ice. It forced the doctors to remove it. After that, the dude was happy as a clam. The doctors ended up saying it was a mental issue that others face as well. I consider gender issues in that same boat. Why we don't focus on helping the mental state instead of encouraging it is beyond me. However, in contrast to that I do feel we over medicate society. If you go back in time you'll notice that some of mankind's greatest thinkers had some quirk that allowed them to approach the world differently.
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I agree that we should treat it. But you are right that we are wayyyy overmedicated. We medicate BS and then leave the legitimate problems untreated.
 
drkelly said:
The majority of my wife's coworkers husbands are stay at home dads. My wife's boss is a woman, and her husband was a stay at home dad. Times have changed.
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Times might change, but the Word of God does not. You can do as you please, "but as for me and my house, we will serve The Lord".
 
My daughter attended cub scouts with her older brother for 5 years, stayed with the other boys in her age group and did everything they did, she just did not get the "badge" for it. When my son crossed over into boy scouts she was not allowed to attend, she joined the local girl scout troop. Not the same thing at all and she did not enjoy it. I did not pitch a fit when they would not let her attend, it is what it is. Re-directed her and that didn't work out, not a big deal, I call it LIFE and making the best of what you've got.
 
tlucier said:
This meme is pure genius! :beer::beer::beer: to you, good sir!
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I guess I'm dense.

It went over my head.

If it is genius please explain. That southern fella has a way with words, I just don't get what being put down on this one. Pm me,if it detracts from the obvious or ruins it.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
Thanks fellas.....seems certain food and people make my belly grumble. Glad you could chalk my Ernest effort in the conversation as speaking from my ass.

I guess emotional connections and spiritual feelings will be chalked up to heartburn.

I can't debate well. But I am glad someone set the record straight on the complete shift to an entirely different focus. So it's safe to say the ol Boys club is dead. So in with No Special Program that's specific to your gender..........nothing special. No focus on your gender. No emotional, rational, spiritual tie to just being a group of young men or women on a common plarform...no room for argument. This is the core from which I stand firm. Boys and girls are special. I wish the changing dynamics that our resident brain fella made clear wasn't the case. I agree with the single parent delimas. I also feel the special line between being a young man or woman is diluted in the process. If anything remember my side as sincere.
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For the record, that comment was more or less tongue in cheek. Was going to say last night I respect what you post, understood where you were coming from, and wasn't directed entirely at you. Some of your comments didn't seem to be congruent, I enjoyed the actual discussion going back and forth there, before it got sideways on other banter.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
I guess I'm dense.

It went over my head.

If it is genius please explain. That southern fella has a way with words, I just don't get what being put down on this one. Pm me,if it detracts from the obvious or ruins it.
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No sir, you are very undense.
I read stuff word for word and I notice that a few others do to.
The image symbolizes a warzone in which there are multiple yet undefined sides.
The cactus symbolizes a particular stance which each person could arm themselves with to take into this warzone.
I chose not to, and will not. I gave my interpretation on what the original idea of the BSA is and examples of how I take a similar approach just on a very small level. Mostly just talking out my ass, but still very factual. :lol:
If you remember back to HS and college English classes, Pathos, Ethos and Logos, who remembers that stuff?
 
Just in case it went unnoticed, I also included discreetly a philosophy that the one and only @UTfball68 tries very hard to pass around. "Be proactive, rather than reactive", and is very much a driving force behind what I said earlier. I also like to sit back and watch to see if anyone actually practiced what they preach. I could if I wanted to, write everything within a riddle that is completely incomprehensible, but it wouldn't do anyone any good, and I'm in this too.
 
UTfball68 said:
For the record, that comment was more or less tongue in cheek. Was going to say last night I respect what you post, understood where you were coming from, and wasn't directed entirely at you. Some of your comments didn't seem to be congruent, I enjoyed the actual discussion going back and forth there, before it got sideways on other banter.
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For the record, I did enjoy debating this with you. While your logic seems entirely flawed to me, especially considering your signature, your entitled to your opinion. Mine is based solely off of facts, sound logic, and the Word of God. No hard feelings on my end though.
 
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