Talk me out of '07 5.9 CTD

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Been test driving a few 07 CTD's. Im very particular, so my options are limited: SLT, 4x4, quad cab, diesel, 6spd manual, short bed, patriot blue.
I got the dealer down to mid $35k for exactly what I want w/the 6.7L, and mid $34k w/5.9L, both prices out the door with tag, tax, fees, etc.
Im leaning towards the 5.9 because it is a more proven motor, the fuel mileage is likely better, and there is no emissions crap.
What are the other advantages/disadvantages of the 5.9?

Also, the salesman says they can add grab handles directly above the door. Can anyone verify this? I would love to have some, but I dont' know if I really believe him.

The 5.9 will have to be delivered from another dealer, so I haven't seen/driven it. The sticker on the door says it has an additional 5.5 gallons of fuel. Does that mean it has a larger capacity tank?
 
What's the maintenance schedule on the BlueTech urea tank and the DPF muffler? How about reliability? There's probably some wisdom in the saying "never buy the first model year for anything".
 
There is no way in hell I would buy the 6.7 with all it's new untested emisions BS. Then again, there is no way in hell I would sign up for payments on a 35K truck.
 
RenegadeT said:
What's the maintenance schedule on the BlueTech urea tank and the DPF muffler? How about reliability? There's probably some wisdom in the saying "never buy the first model year for anything".
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Not sure. The 5.9 doesn't have any of that, it is non-catalyst if I understand correctly.

As far as payments go, what Im looking at with a 35k truck isn't too far from what I'd be looking at with a 25k truck thanks to interest rates on new vs used.
 
rockmafia said:
There is no way in hell I would buy the 6.7 with all it's new untested emisions BS.
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I've spent the last 2.5-3.0 yrs of my life working with the new 2007 emissions stuff, and I would not buy one. What does that tell you?
 
Well I'm supposed to be biased and drink the koolaid, but the 5.9 has a long history in automotive applications. the 6.7, not so much. I have ZERO doubt that the internals will be fine, they have been rocking aong in G drive and industrial apps for a while. Some of the "DODGE" parts though honestly do scare me a bit.

Only 2 drawbacks on the 5.9 that I can see.
1) If you plan on keepig the truck forever, understamd that motor will never be produced again. You can get yours rebuilt, but you will not have the option of a new replacement motor. Even if yours throws a rod through the side of the block at 32k. They just aren't allowed to be built (actually arent allowed to be sold in the US).
2) The motor was NOT designed for USLD. Now warranty should cover any issues, but be prepared for a few more nagging seal issues than previous 5.9 owners. This applies to all 5.9s not just 07

And MAJOR DITTO on the no way in hell would I finance a 35k truck, but thats an each his own thing
 
Does the 6.7L come with the exhaust brake? I've been hearing some good things about the factory brake and the 68RFE. You pretty much don't have to touch the service brakes unless you want to come to a complete stop.
 
I have a 07 with the 6.7 6spd with exhaust brake. I love it but it is not a proven system. With a 10 year 100k warr WTH do i care. This is not my DD so going over the mileage is not a problem so not much to worry about for 10 years:driver: Yes the Exhaust brake is the shit. Coming down 321 from Boone or Black Mountain put it in 4th gear keeps it around 45 to 48 MPH and in 5th gear I just have to touch the brakes a little to be around 55MPH.
 
SkyHiK5 said:
2) The motor was NOT designed for USLD. Now warranty should cover any issues, but be prepared for a few more nagging seal issues than previous 5.9 owners. This applies to all 5.9s not just 07
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What kind of seals rely on the sulfer in the fuel for sealing?

I understand the sulfer helping lubricate the pump (not an issue with 12v's), but seals?
 
Touche seal probably isnt the best word.
Specifically its O-rings in the fuel system (internal to the pump?) that are predicted to be the first casualties.

Ill go ask one of the engine guys this afternoon and get a better answer.
If they dont hang a generator off the ass end I dont pay much attentio to the TSB, or even the meetings TBH
 
tw89yj said:
From what a friend of mine, who is a Ford diesel tech, told me, the issue is that the ULSD is thinner than the older fuel.
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I have been told the same thing----but I would think that a maybe a metric o-ring with a slightly larger dia. would fix this
 
SkyHiK5 said:
Only 2 drawbacks on the 5.9 that I can see.
1) If you plan on keepig the truck forever, understamd that motor will never be produced again. You can get yours rebuilt, but you will not have the option of a new replacement motor. Even if yours throws a rod through the side of the block at 32k. They just aren't allowed to be built (actually arent allowed to be sold in the US).
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Sorry got to call BS on that one..... Just called a dealer and ask for parts to see if I could order a motor (Long block) for a 06-07 CTD and after looking and a price, yes he said I could but he would need to find the bottom line with truck shipping and I told him I was just checking, because what I was told. He said that they had many in stock and that Dodge and Cummins in this case will stock up like they have in the past every other time that a motor was dropped from the line up.
It can not be sold as new in a new car or truck line but it can be sold as new for replacement I'm sure. Don't you think more people would be talking about it with the 100's of thousands of trucks out that you could not replace a motor in it, if goes south . What would Dodge do with new trucks that they could not rebuild the CTD on. BTW I have never seen a Dodge dealer that rebuildes a CTD most just do a long or short block and its hard for them to do that....
And if what you are saying is the case for the 5.9 say 03 to 07 would that not be the case fo all diesel motors before 07 so all the old 12v and big truck motors and maybe that the regs have changed the old gas 350's with a carb and so on....

That is why I think it is just Bad info that they will never be made or sold anymore...........
 
I would steer clear of the emission crap on the new deisels. No tech to back my statement up or expert advice, just my opinion. I personally steer clear of everything new for the first year or 2. Case in point, the new ford deisels-lots of problems with the emissions crap on those. Look at the dodge when they changed the design back in (rough guess here) '93? Had tranny problems brake problems. Most everything will have a higher rate of problems when first released. There is know real way of testing for every situation. I personally would rather let other people be the test bed for new models. After they find the problems and solutions I will look into them. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.
 
I think they just can't make anymore of them, that does not mean you can't still get one.

Kinda like 30 rd clips. Just because they could not make them, didin't mean you couldn't get them.
 
rockmafia said:
Kinda like 30 rd clips. Just because they could not make them, didin't mean you couldn't get them
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Sorry But they never stoped making them ( the 30 rd clips )
They are still being made today and always were.
The only difference was that for a few years is that most were stamped with a date and also MIL/LEO only or just boxed for export but a lot of those were lost on the way to export from what was said from my local ATF guy. They would go out of the USA then people would mail order them back into the USA and you have all the mags you want........OR back dated bill of sales on boxes of mags. You could go to shows and years after the bans there would be 1000's of mags out there....
The Law for the mags had to do with SALE of NEW mags to the public, so that would also say that there can no longer be any new ons made for sale to the public, but it did not stop them from making them.
I would like to see what there is about the motor, I would bet it has to do with no new trucks built using the old motor and thats it.
Who knows.
 
I rebuild 30 year old mercedes diesel motors that they don't make anymore...but they do make the cylinder liners/pistons/etc....a 5.9 will be the same way..rebuild parts will be around forever (our lifetime). As for blocks, we aren't talking about an oddball motor, there will be plenty of good cores for years and years. I don't think I'd let that stop me from buying a 5.9.
 
MR. GADGET said:
Sorry got to call BS on that one..... Just called a dealer and ask for parts to see if I could order a motor (Long block) for a 06-07 CTD and after looking and a price, yes he said I could but he would need to find the bottom line with truck shipping and I told him I was just checking, because what I was told. He said that they had many in stock and that Dodge and Cummins in this case will stock up like they have in the past every other time that a motor was dropped from the line up.
It can not be sold as new in a new car or truck line but it can be sold as new for replacement I'm sure. Don't you think more people would be talking about it with the 100's of thousands of trucks out that you could not replace a motor in it, if goes south . What would Dodge do with new trucks that they could not rebuild the CTD on. BTW I have never seen a Dodge dealer that rebuildes a CTD most just do a long or short block and its hard for them to do that....
And if what you are saying is the case for the 5.9 say 03 to 07 would that not be the case fo all diesel motors before 07 so all the old 12v and big truck motors and maybe that the regs have changed the old gas 350's with a carb and so on....
That is why I think it is just Bad info that they will never be made or sold anymore...........
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Well I think I have pretty good info.
Pm me if you would like to know why.... :rolleyes:
There will never be another NEW 5.9 motor built that will be legal for sale in the US after 12/31/06 this isn't new.
The local distributor (Cummins Atlantic) individually has over 800 of these motors in stock still, but they sell on average 10-20/week from the Spartanburg branch. This motor sees less than 5% of its usage in Dodge trucks, it is an industrial work horse and can be found everywhere from dozers,chippers, to plant equipment to Power Generation (G-Drive) applications. And it can be used in any of these applications. The emission standards have NOTHING to do with automobiles and everything to do with ENGINES.

The federal government did not allow any excess stock up, it was specifically stated in the law that production speed could not be ramped up at year end last year. (they didn't however say anything about extending shift hours and all Cummins plants went to 24 hour shifts real quick like last year)

Yes you can buy sleeves, pistons rods everything needed to build one, but you can not buy a complete one.

Cummins owns RECON, you can still buy RECON remanufactured engines, you can not buy a NEW engine.
 
tw89yj said:
From what a friend of mine, who is a Ford diesel tech, told me, the issue is that the ULSD is thinner than the older fuel.
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Aaahhh, that makes sense. I was really scratching my head why a lack of sulphur would be bad on seals...

There's times that i really love my big dumb mechanically injected motor that needs only 2 wires to run.. :)
 
I don't see the big deal about not being able to get a new 5.9L engine. The chance you trash a 5.9L engine with standard maintenance performed is slim. If you do, a reman or used engine/block will work just fine for the length of time most people own a new truck to the time they sell it.

Buy the one you like the most. At least its a Cummins.
 
NC_Mog said:
I don't see the big deal about not being able to get a new 5.9L engine. The chance you trash a 5.9L engine with standard maintenance performed is slim. If you do, a reman or used engine/block will work just fine for the length of time most people own a new truck to the time they sell it.
Buy the one you like the most. At least its a Cummins.
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I agree 100% with this.
Honestly didnt post the not available as a major issue, more of just a point.

I especially concur on the at least its a Cummins, bit...

If I were buying today, it would be a used 12V, because I could pay cash, and I know the damn thing will run forever. And uh I have a pretty steady supply of parts
 
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