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I can't imagine the data is reliable for "incidence rate of DUIs among illegal aliens"
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benXJ
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wut?
so you think a random american grandma is OK being hit and killed by a drunk illegal alien just to stick it to ICE? my point was that they really aren't OK with it, but are so brainwashed that ICE = bad that they can't see it coming, and would in fact not be OK with what is happening if they had eyes and brains in the real world.
if their husband was killed due to a chain of purposefully evil decisions by others, I bet the tune would change.
your stats mean nothing when it hits you in the face.
so you think a random american grandma is OK being hit and killed by a drunk illegal alien just to stick it to ICE? my point was that they really aren't OK with it, but are so brainwashed that ICE = bad that they can't see it coming, and would in fact not be OK with what is happening if they had eyes and brains in the real world.
if their husband was killed due to a chain of purposefully evil decisions by others, I bet the tune would change.
your stats mean nothing when it hits you in the face.
CasterTroy
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Remember, even the honkies with farmers tan get lumped into "illegals" when the numbers work
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RatLabGuy
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Its actually pretty easy to calculate.
How many DUIs per year are by illegals?
How many illegals are there? (rough estimate)
Thats tells you the number. Same as any other crimes, and there are tons of stats on this easily available.
RatLabGuy
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Thats not at all what I said.
The math and date is very clear - for DUIs, you are more likely to be hit my a legal resident than by an illegal alien. And statistically if you're in an area that has more illegal aliens then you're actually SAFER and less likely to be hit by a DUI.
You're pointing the finger at the wrong attribute. The fact they are illegal is WAY less important than the fact they are DUI, and if you want to address that problem your energy is put in the wrong place. Go aftert he people that are actually the problem.
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RatLabGuy
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Well it must be a really big number because we're putting all this energy into getting rid of them.... right?
Otherwise how do you justify it?
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This has nothing to do with how drunk them messicans is and everything to do with the fact that are are more legal US citizens than non-legal ones. You're also more likely to get raped or molested by a taxpayer than a Congressman, but the incidence rate for rape and molestation by Congressmen is significantly higher.
RatLabGuy
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yep, this is one reason (among many) I don't hang around Congressmen.This has nothing to do with how drunk them messicans is and everything to do with the fact that are are more legal US citizens than non-legal ones. You're also more likely to get raped or molested by a taxpayer than a Congressman, but the incidence rate for rape and molestation by Congressmen is significantly higher.
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If someone wants you to go faster in a gas car, they say “gas it!” If they want you to go faster in electric car, do they say “zap it!”?
RatLabGuy
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I say "goose it" in any type of vehicle
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Just to be pedantic because - Do you know what I do around here - incidence rate probably isnt the right term in either case.This has nothing to do with how drunk them messicans is and everything to do with the fact that are are more legal US citizens than non-legal ones. You're also more likely to get raped or molested by a taxpayer than a Congressman, but the incidence rate for rape and molestation by Congressmen is significantly higher.
Reported rate is more likely the correct term for a number of reasons.
Statistically poorer and/or less educated women are multi fold less likely to report abuse than more educated and affluent women. (Again for a couple reasons - but lets leave that for the moment)
So if Jimbob and Bubba assault Mary Jo in the trailer park - she very likely doesnt report it.
If it happens in the projects or hood - again very likely to be reported.
If it happens on Capitol Hill much more likely to be reported.
Doesnt change the incidence rate...and without the report we really dont know the incidence rate.
Which is what makes all the illegal stats so humorous. We dont know for certain how many illegals there are. Hell do we even know how to define an illegal?
If we don't know the divisor/denominator its impossible to calculate an accurate percentile.
So if we set up the equation we have
(some unknown number of crimes based on reporting rate, and how they are classified) / (some unknown number of people depending on which political affiliate is trying to push which agenda = Some BS stat that someone will exaggerate in either direction and draw loose correlation to make a poorly connected point that the stupid masses will gobble up and spout or rail against.
benXJ
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The entire point is that these 'anti ice' useful idiots are arguing againist a system (overall increased border security and more efficient deportations) that is provable to keep American citizens safer.
If the dude had not been here (the case when the well funded and staffed system is allowed to do its job) then the hit and run death would not have occured.
I was asking (random question) if that same useful idiot 'potesting' against ICE would change the tune if their grandma had been hit and killed by an illegal alien, that should have not been here in the first place....and it just so happens that we have a giant tax payer funded dept. to actually prevent citizen deaths.
Crime is hard to prevent, but here we have a direct cause and effect.
Stands to reason that we should at least focus on crimes that are 100% preventable, then move on from there.
If the dude had not been here (the case when the well funded and staffed system is allowed to do its job) then the hit and run death would not have occured.
I was asking (random question) if that same useful idiot 'potesting' against ICE would change the tune if their grandma had been hit and killed by an illegal alien, that should have not been here in the first place....and it just so happens that we have a giant tax payer funded dept. to actually prevent citizen deaths.
Crime is hard to prevent, but here we have a direct cause and effect.
Stands to reason that we should at least focus on crimes that are 100% preventable, then move on from there.
RatLabGuy
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Agree with your sentiment, but for the point of accident-causing DUIs, we DO know that number because it's recorded by the police. This isn't something that requires people to come out and report.
Aftert hat its just a question of how many illegal aliens we have. If you ask the group that says they are a massive problem its 10s of millions. If you ask those that are less concerned, its smaller.
But as it turns out, if it really is a big number, then that just means its even LESS of a problem (per illegal) than if there were fewer here. Either way it makes it an overblown assumption of a problem.
skyhighZJ
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I’m surprised, you, as the science/numbers man you are accept that math equation as being so simple. You can’t just take DUI numbers and divide my X,Y,Z. There is no way that maths out. There have to be trends and so on that skew the number. Now, what those numbers/trends are? IDK but it can’t be just that cut and dried.
mbalbritton
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I love that word. 
RatLabGuy
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You're absolutely right, there are always etraneous variables. So why don't you name some that change the equation for this purpose?
The question is, are there variables that skew more for one group than another? Because if they don't, then they don't matter here.
Like are the Messicans so good at drinking that their probability of getting in a DUI accident is lower? Or do they have some magical way of not getting caught? I can't think of much that would make a difference for this specific example
Part of being a science guy is learning to listen to what the real data says, not just beliefs, conjectiure and feelings.
skyhighZJ
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And I agree. I didn’t cite anything cause I don’t know. What I would says is it just cannot be straight division as has been said in above comments
mbalbritton
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RatLabGuy
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... and generally there's a beer or two involved.
And some profanity when you break off that bolt. Then more beer.
But yet even that still somehow feels better.
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They actually kinda do.
The fake ID thing...Ive heard of folks getting arrested, bonding out and getting a new name before going on the run. Mason work can be hell on hands and impact finger prints
Yep, I know of a guy who owned a company and his helper got a DWI on Thursday and bonded out and left for a week and then came back as a different guy with different ID. I also used to do work for a lawyer who's main business was getting illegals, legal. He had 13 paralegals. He was known as an ace for getting them the proper ID and work documents.
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I agree with the paragraph ... but I must add that real world data is useless without real world observation.