random highway-use tax

lockedup5 said:
I've been a fireman/EMT for 10 years and most of the deadly wrecks I've seen have been from speed or a drunk driver speeding. So I'm curious what exactly causes most of your vehicle deaths in your area? hang nails? paper cuts?:flipoff2:
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According to saferoads.org: "Speeding - defined as exceeding the posted speed limit or driving too fast for conditions - is a factor in nearly one-third of all fatal crashes."

"Nearly one-third"... so over two thirds of fatal crashes involve driving at or below the posted speed limit. So by your logic which is safer?

How many miles are driven above the speed limit every day that do not result in an accident? The vast majority.
 
kdunc said:
According to saferoads.org: "Speeding - defined as exceeding the posted speed limit or driving too fast for conditions - is a factor in nearly one-third of all fatal crashes."

"Nearly one-third"... so over two thirds of fatal crashes involve driving at or below the posted speed limit. So by your logic which is safer?

How many miles are driven above the speed limit every day that do not result in an accident? The vast majority.
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This is the laziest, most flawed logic I've heard in a long time.
Know why it's only 1/3rd? Because many fatalities are NOT on behalf of the person that was speeding. There's collisions with other vehicles - and guess what - that other vehcile, and poor sap in it, might NOT have been speeding. The only way this number could be 100% is if speeding people only hit and killed other speeding people.
Just because something isn't the sole cause of something else, dosn't mean it's not a big problem. Speeding is still the single largest contributor to accidents (total, not just fatal), so it seems pretty logical that you'd want to limit it.
Lets see, only a small percentage of all deaths in the US are caused by cancer. Does that mean we shouldn't try to stop it?

How many miles are driven above the speed limit every day that do not result in an accident? The vast majority.
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Hm, lets see. Russian Roullette. 1 bullet in 6 chances. Odds are actually much better than speeding (according to your logic). Gee I could do that several times in a row and walk away.
 
RatLabGuy said:
it isn't JUST to generate revenue.
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... but the revenue doesn't hurt one bit. That's especially true in North Carolina, where the traffic courts are basically set up to keep attorneys and judges busy. Pay your lawyer the $250, he'll take care of the rest. :shaking:
 
RatLabGuy said:
This is the laziest, most flawed logic I've heard in a long time.
Know why it's only 1/3rd? Because many fatalities are NOT on behalf of the person that was speeding. There's collisions with other vehicles - and guess what - that other vehcile, and poor sap in it, might NOT have been speeding. The only way this number could be 100% is if speeding people only hit and killed other speeding people.
Just because something isn't the sole cause of something else, dosn't mean it's not a big problem. Speeding is still the single largest contributor to accidents (total, not just fatal), so it seems pretty logical that you'd want to limit it.
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You're just making up shit. If you read the link, you wouldn't be able to write that.

Notice also that it's not just exceeding the posted limit. If it's raining or snowing, and you're driving at or below the posted limit, but "too fast for conditions", you fall into that category as well. So the actual number of fatalities caused by exceeding the posted limit is somewhat lower still.
 
www.wreckedexotics.com

Look at the pics... read the descriptions on the vast majority of them.
Here... I will sum up many of them... "Driver was traveling at a high rate of speed"

Simply put... slow the H E double hockey sticks down and suck it up. You got caught.

Did anyone see me come on here and cry and whine when I got my ticket for 105 in a 65 zone? No. I screwed up and got caught. I paid my fine, went without a license for a year and somehow avoided a state mandated vacation (jail time for those who can't read the sarcasm)

Now I drive a Wrangler with a top speed of somewhere near 70. No more speeding for me.
 
saf-t scissors said:
... but the revenue doesn't hurt one bit. That's especially true in North Carolina, where the traffic courts are basically set up to keep attorneys and judges busy. Pay your lawyer the $250, he'll take care of the rest. :shaking:
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Exactly the last ticket my wife got was for 80 something in a 55. It cost about $400 for the whole deal. She never even went to court for it. We mailed the lawyer a check and that was it.
 
QUOTE=lockedup5;395975]I've been a fireman/EMT for 10 years and most of the deadly wrecks I've seen have been from speed or a drunk driver speeding. So I'm curious what exactly causes most of your vehicle deaths in your area? hang nails? paper cuts?:flipoff2:[/QUOTE]
driving to slow and drinking....cell phones and kids in the back seat going nuts while mom or dad are taking care of them from the front...one slow car can bottleneck a four lane road very quickly. The other lanes are botlenecking and panic breaking...oh and if you are the popo or trying to be..set a good example because the rest are abusing their job
I have three HP in my family and all three talk about what they do:flipoff2:
 
saf-t scissors said:
You're just making up shit. If you read the link, you wouldn't be able to write that.
Notice also that it's not just exceeding the posted limit. If it's raining or snowing, and you're driving at or below the posted limit, but "too fast for conditions", you fall into that category as well. So the actual number of fatalities caused by exceeding the posted limit is somewhat lower still.
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I did read the link. Which, conveniently absent from this discussion, was about slowing the f*ck down and having better enforcement of speeding laws. Hm.

I like how you all seem to be avoiding the rest of my reply which points out the completely flawed logic of thsi argument.
Just because something is not an overwhelming majority of the total cases, does not mean it's not important, worth pursuing, or doing anything about. Or, that is is tehrefore safe to do.

Yes, being distracted (e.g. kids, eating, whatever) is a pretty serious problem and likely a huge factor in itself. But how the F are you going to cut down on that one? So, we develop rules etc to deal w/ the problems we CAN fix DUI, speeding, etc etc.

As I said before, I'm not saying the system isn't F-ed up and a major $$-maker for the state. I've been through it too, just paid my fee, grumbled, and gone on my merry (speeding) way.
But you know what - that $300 shell out did hurt, does make me think about it every time I floor the gas.

Would you feel better if all the $$ went to local schools or some charity instead? The principle is the same. You have to do SOMETHING keep people safe. Maybe (definitely) this isn't the best method - but it IS the law, it IS well known. So until it changes, you deal with it, obey it, and move on.
 
kdunc said:
He didn't cause an accident. How's that unsafe? He was doing fine until some cop shot him with radar and then pulled out into the highway and probably broke 100mph to catch up with him.

But as long as we accept these preventative laws - laws that outlaw something that might eventually lead to some circumstance that does harm to someone - then yeah those are the rules we play by.
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HAHA, and you called me an F***ing idiot.

if a man firing a rifle into an occupied playground but doesnt hit anyone, is it still okay for him to do so
 
aha... it's the slow drivers...

blazeproc said:
driving to slow and drinking....cell phones and kids in the back seat going nuts while mom or dad are taking care of them from the front...one slow car can bottleneck a four lane road very quickly. The other lanes are botlenecking and panic breaking...oh and if you are the popo or trying to be..set a good example because the rest are abusing their job
I have three HP in my family and all three talk about what they do:flipoff2:
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I used to drive like an idiot more often and I used the same flawed logic. "That slow guy is causing a bottleneck and causing everyone else to make dangerous maneuvers to get around him." At some point you have to look in the mirror. Maybe the guy driving the speed limit isn't the problem, maybe it's YOU. My attitude changed about the time I bought a TJ. Suddenly I had a vehicle that, frankly, kind of sucked to drive over 70 what with the soft top racket and horrible gas mileage. Once you lose the mindset that it's a race and going faster than everyone else means you won, driving is a lot more relaxing.
 
BoltOnJohn said:
I used to drive like an idiot more often
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Ditto... that is until I paid thru the @$$ for a couple tickets (80/55, 79/55, Improper Passing) over a 5 year stretch... and found myself WALKING for a couple of them (Right Brent? :flipoff2: ) Now, I *might* run 5 over, but have decided that "getting there faster" is NOT in my budget.

I've slowly become the brunt of my teenage jokes :lol:
 
Point being there are tons and tons of laws that have built up like the layers of an onion around an originally valid moral principle. That doesn't make all the layers valid or right. They broaden the jurisdiction of law enforcement and the power of the State, and if nobody ever questions them and instead we say "Hey buddy you knew the rules when you broke 'em, tough luck," then when why and how would we ever recover lost liberties?
 
RatLabGuy said:
fixed it for you :flipoff2:
I'm not saying it dosn't suck but speed limits are there for a purpose, and it isn't JUST to generate revenue.
A better title for thsi thread should be high speed driving tax
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Serious question, who says he was unsafe?

This really pisses me off and these discussions always end bad.
Look I am an admitted political nerd and a constitution junkie, but I'm stumped here. Can anyone point me to where it is legal to enforce victimless crimes? If he hits and kills someone, ok. Make him support their survivors for 10 generations if necessary, but if he was in total control of his vehicle operating in a safe manner how is that illegal? Samee goes for seatbelts? Why in the hell is it illegal to increase MY ODDS OF DIEING

Its not illegal and these laws are unconstitutional...but no one will challenge them.
 
kdunc said:
Point being there are tons and tons of laws that have built up like the layers of an onion around an originally valid moral principle. That doesn't make all the layers valid or right. They broaden the jurisdiction of law enforcement and the power of the State, and if nobody ever questions them and instead we say "Hey buddy you knew the rules when you broke 'em, tough luck," then when why and how would we ever recover lost liberties?
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beat me to what I was trying to say
 
Sky...even though i am on the opposite side of fence as you (as usual :beer: :fuck-you:, i will give you this. The speed limits set today were set using 1970's vehicles as models. Today's vehicles are a hell of alot easier to control at high speeds. In theory, the speed limits should be raised to meet the technology of today.
That being said, the law is the law, and until it changes, abide by it.

Yes Kdunc, the man firing the rifle into the playground will be arrested, brandishing a fire arm, and most likely dicharging a fire arm within city limits. :shaking: i hope you dont live or drive near me.


If you want to challenge the law there are better ways to do so than breaking them. Contact your senator, hire a lobbyist to go to washington. Start a movement (lol, but keep it your movements under the speed limit).
 
Was the cop in total view as you were driving down the highway?
If not, it is my understanding that, that is considered entrapment
 
Futbalfantic said:
Was the cop in total view as you were driving down the highway?
If not, it is my understanding that, that is considered entrapment
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was his radar calibrated 3 times a day, was the road flat, were his lights on, did he tie his shoes using the loop'd loop method or the bunny ears method.

if you know you were speeding man up and pay it.
 
BoltOnJohn said:
I used to drive like an idiot more often and I used the same flawed logic. "That slow guy is causing a bottleneck and causing everyone else to make dangerous maneuvers to get around him." At some point you have to look in the mirror. Maybe the guy driving the speed limit isn't the problem, maybe it's YOU. My attitude changed about the time I bought a TJ. Suddenly I had a vehicle that, frankly, kind of sucked to drive over 70 what with the soft top racket and horrible gas mileage. Once you lose the mindset that it's a race and going faster than everyone else means you won, driving is a lot more relaxing.
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It probably is me because I hate stupid people and I have to tolerate them. So I gues your right the problem is me
 
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