VERBAL AGREEMENTS!!!must read

MidwayJeremy

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I made verbal agreement to buy some tires and rims

http://www.nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110650&highlight=iroks

Everything was setup and going smoothly

I was planning on picking them up on Thurs April 8th
MAC5005 didnt call me until 9:00-9:15 that night....by that time I didnt have the option of a trailer that late at night not to mention the 30+ min drive to go meet the guy...
The impatient piece of :poop: said no thats not good enough and with every text coming in was the most rude and uncourtious person I have EVER delt with....finally after a hr of texting he agreed I could just pick them up tom andhe would call me "Ill call you at 5-5:30" I said great! "Thanks again man"
So today goes by I rent a trailer from UHAUL to go pick these tires up at "5-5:30" an I send a text stating "hey we still on for today I got a trailer and im ready to go" He replied NOPE I sold them to guy second in line.....I never recieved a text a phone call giving me the chance to buy....

I find it B.S that People forgot the meaning of a VERBAL AGREEMENT....I mean does this not mean anything to anyone??
 
& the other side of the story?
 
I gave him the option to let me buy them today.....just like we agreed to last night...but his exact words were "money talks bullshit walk" lol....but it would have been nice to been given a option to buy them....before he sold them to someone else.
 
you balked at a 30 min drive at 9:00 ? I've driven 4hrs and arrived at midnight to get a good deal on stuff... On the flip side I've waited for people like you to get your act together to actually complete the deal. Meanwhile other 'real' buyers move on and I'm now stuck accepting lesser offers...

I also would have passed after the first hint of trouble.

Why did you rent a trailer to haul tires? I've stuffed 4 tires in a side kick and I'm sure others have done similar. I've hauled 2 axles on a damn hitch basket because my van was already full of shit...

You remind me of the guy who cried claiming he 'had first dibs' and replied to my ad first. He claimed he reply was immediately after I posted and that put him in line first. Fact was I didn't check my PMs for a while and had a friend call who wanted it.. Its ass holes like you why I now list out ebay type rules in my for sale posts.

Stop crying...

and he has a red star, you don't.....

The rules I now add to deal with this kind of shit:
As usual same standard rules apply...
NO first dibs shit. Preference given to:
People I like
People who have given me stuff in the past.
People who bring beer
People who bring 4x4 parts/items/stuff
 
The rules I now add to deal with this kind of shit:
As usual same standard rules apply...
NO first dibs shit. Preference given to:
People I like
People who have given me stuff in the past.
People who bring beer
People who bring 4x4 parts/items/stuff
This is how I like doing business. :rolleyes:
 
I do agree that it sucks. I've had things like this happen before- but haven't posted up to complain about it... You should have checked w/him before renting the trailer. Call it education expense. Some people are good on their word- others are not. Hate that it is that way, but don't get too down about it. You'll find something else out there.
 
If you texted him today and asked if the deal was still on, it sounds like the deal was never firm to start with...

When selling parts, regardless of what I post or tell you on the phone, the first to show up with $$$ in hand gets the goods. Thats how I treat it and I would expect others to do the same with me...
 
I dont think anyone else has had much trouble outta Mac. And in general, hes a pretty cool guy.

Everyone has their off days. And its hard to telll when someone is actually being rude through text.

Usually, a text or a PM is a great way to start a negotiation, but once contact has been made, i prefer to just call and have an actual conversation.
 
Not trying to split hairs here, but you do realize that by definition a text is not "verbal", right? Anyway, I'd be a little annoyed in your situation too, but you did drag your feet. Lesson learned.
 
First one to me with cash get's it. Only exception is if you call and you're on the way and someone else calls then I'll hold it for ya until you get here. Otherwise, tough s.

If you've ever sold anything to anyone you will soon find out that without this attitude then you will waste a TON of time. Its not worth it.
 
First one to me with cash get's it. Only exception is if you call and you're on the way and someone else calls then I'll hold it for ya until you get here. Otherwise, tough s.

If you've ever sold anything to anyone you will soon find out that without this attitude then you will waste a TON of time. Its not worth it.
:beer:
 
Ok i am finally going to chime in here.

First, I let you know at 6:23 on thursday when i arrived at the super 8 in salisbury. The guy bringing the tires form PA, had arrived around 615ish, i can not say exactly for i was not there yet. I offered to meet you in Kannapolis, which is 23 miles from where we are staying, around half of the 49 miles between where i am and where (MIDWAYJEREMY) lives. I was going to pay the fuel for the guy selling the tires in order to make the deal.

Meaning i'm going to pay fuel to sell tire, that i'm not getting money for.

You responded with wanting me to bring them an extra 16-19 miles from Kannapolis.

As far as the timeline, i told you we were going to eat dinner, and make the deal afterward.

I told you i was trying to be understanding and was willing to meet you half way. I'm not going to go completely out of the way 49 miles each way, to deliver tires for the extra $50 dollars you offered.

at 930, I offered to deliver them for $100, that way your issues with getting a trailer, and the issues with your g/f's truck, wouldn't be an issue at all.

But, That was not a good enough deal for you.

And, I never agreed to anything thursday night, we were making no progress on making a deal, so i simply said, I'll all you tomorrow.

Your comment about me being uncourteous (sp?) over a text is entirely hypocritical. You cannot accuately converse over a TEXT message. I continued to text you throughout the process because i soon realized, when i told you to call me, you texted. This is the entire problem at its roots. You are trying to make a deal, over a TEXT message!!! That is not a very good way to communicate about a deal on something of that value. I hate texting, but i will do it, to try to make someone else happy, if thats what they want to do.

Keep in mind everyone at home in tv land, These were not my tires. The final word on all decisions were to the owner of the tires, I was merely trying to help him out by getting them sold.

Also, $1200 for 5 tires and 5 beadlocks was the deal, and you knew the one tire was cut. One of the tires was practically brand new, the other 3 good ones and the cut one were all at 90% or better. If you dont think that is a deal, then i have nothing further to say.

The 2nd buyer in line called me back. Not texted me :gay:, but called me. He showed initiative that he truly wanted to make a deal, and he came and picked them up.


Midwayjeremy. As soon as i told you we didn't have a deal and they were sold, you started talking crap, saying i'm a piece of :poop:. Also, I really do not appreciate you threatening me by saying, and I quote " you were going to take it out on my ass."

I'm not going to play childish games, and talk crap about someone like some high school drama, or jersey shore jerk offs.

I've dealt with enough people on the forums, that 9 times out of 10, if someone is unsure of details, or waivering on how they want to meet to make a deal, then they are probably going to back out in the long run. And usually by that time, i've lost the sale not only to the first in line, but also to the second, and possibly the third. This is all due to me trying to be nice and understanding and wait for the first to show interest, to actually make a deal, and wasting my time in the long run.

When i texted "money talks, bullshit walks" - that means I'll try to make a deal with the first in line, but i'm not going to completely lose a sale at all over waiting on a waivering buyer.



When i buy something, and i know someone has a deal on something, I'll do anything and everything to accomidate the seller, and make the deal. If i would have been in your shoes, I would have found a way to get to the tires or meet me ASAP to make the deal.

I'm not going to ruin my entire plans for the weekend in order to meet you on your schedule and your location, when you are the buyer. ESPECIALLY not when someone else is offering to PICK THEM UP WITH NO DRAMA.

My .02.

Some people are going to agree with me, and some are going to disagree. Thats fine with me and thats the nature of the beast.

I completely agree with you jeremy, verbal agreements dont mean :poop: these days, and what makes a deal is when someone pays someone for an item or service.

In all honesty, I hope everyone on the board reads this thread and maybe will realize when you want to buy something, and its a deal, that you go get it, and make the deal, or someone else will.

Jeremy, rant and rave, talk crap about me all you want. I do not care, because you are now truly showing me your character, and honestly i'm glad i didn't make a deal with you, now that i see your personality. It makes me laugh reading your texts from today, while you are trying to be a middle school bully. I hope you learned something, because I know i did.
 
Bout what I expected...

::beer:: you did the right thing.

and "take it out of your ass" hopefully he never puts it in your ass....just sayin'
 
i usually try to stay out of childish shit like this, but since this could be important at a later date, here it goes.
mac the only thing you did wrong, was trying to be nice, when he didn't agree to your "ORIGINAL" terms, that should have been the end of it. i have tried to help people out like that before and it never gets you anywhere.
a text is no way to do business, if you want to make something happen, pick up the phone.
this is the real issue i have here, he texted you that he was going to "take it out of your ass". that would make me drive the 50 miles to let him prove it. i can't stand people who think they are superman when they are 50 miles away. he didn't even have the balls to call you and tell you he was going to whoop your ass, he texted you. if someone's going to whoop my ass, please call me, or better yet, just show up. i am really busy and the time i wasted texting could have been used for other things.(like letting you prove you "can take it out of my ass")
 
you balked at a 30 min drive at 9:00 ? I've driven 4hrs and arrived at midnight to get a good deal on stuff... On the flip side I've waited for people like you to get your act together to actually complete the deal. Meanwhile other 'real' buyers move on and I'm now stuck accepting lesser offers...

I also would have passed after the first hint of trouble.

Why did you rent a trailer to haul tires? I've stuffed 4 tires in a side kick and I'm sure others have done similar. I've hauled 2 axles on a damn hitch basket because my van was already full of shit...

You remind me of the guy who cried claiming he 'had first dibs' and replied to my ad first. He claimed he reply was immediately after I posted and that put him in line first. Fact was I didn't check my PMs for a while and had a friend call who wanted it.. Its ass holes like you why I now list out ebay type rules in my for sale posts.

Stop crying...

and he has a red star, you don't.....

The rules I now add to deal with this kind of shit:
As usual same standard rules apply...
NO first dibs shit. Preference given to:
People I like
People who have given me stuff in the past.
People who bring beer
People who bring 4x4 parts/items/stuff
Is it wrong that i got wood from reading this ???:flipoff2:
 
You're right, a "must read" but more like a "text aggrement".

One more whiney ass to add to the list of people I will not repsond to if they want something I have for sale.
 
even if he drives a jeep seams to be a stand up guy
Hey, don't turn this into a jeep debate!!:lol: I've sold and bought alot of stuff by text and when your texting people you don't know sometimes you think WTF are the trying to say. The only time I would rather text is if I were at work and couldn't get away for a call. I hate to say it but I haven't had in bad dealings with anyone from nc4x4 after a deal is made. Had trouble reaching an agreement from time but nothing I wanted to rant over. Now i've meet more bad than good on C-list. With one guy I almost had to drive all the way to the upper side of virgina to settle a texting problem. After a week of him cussing and talking $h!t to me I agreed to his terms only for his address then When I e-mailed him a goggle image of his house and explained my feelings for him our issues went away. Again, I hate when people talk junk with no means of supporting their mouth. I believe the saying is " Writting a big bird check that your tweetie bird ass may have to cash" :lol:
 
Seems to me that the OP is a whiny butt who can't communicate. I buy a lot of stuff from people I don't know based on phone calls and text messages. However, if I get the run around form someone I will cut the deal and walk away. Plain basic smarts and common sense tell me to make contact with the person I am dealing with in some manner before I make a drive anywhere to meet anyone, that would go double if I had to rent a trailer to pick up whatever it was I was buying.

I hope the OP learned a lesson. There is no substitute for communication.

Oh and "I will take it out of your ass" could be construed as communicating a threat - just saying.
 
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