Another speeding ticket

Jeff B said:
No, but your soap box is:flipoff2:
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For work, im driving all day long (except slow days when im on here all day). i have to deal with bad drivers and speeders all the time. Its the type of thing that wears you down. I hate driving because of other peoples stupidity.

Speeding
Illegal lane changes
tail gating
jaywalking
unsignaled turns
left of center (lost a dodge and several disks in my back that way)

I'm not saying im without sin here. I'm sure theres traffic laws ive broken (unintentionally), but i dont show a wanton disregard for those laws. I know those laws are there not only for my safety, but for the safety of those around me.


As a community we are pretty much in agreement as far as safety concerns on the trail.

Why dont you have the same concern for safety on the highways where your wifes, GFs, and kids are?


:confused: i just dont understand how adults disregard safety the way some people on road do.
 
Macdaddy4738 said:
And it begins....
Why is it that every time someone posts something like this, the thread is always full of this stuff? Its ridiculous to think that anyone who replies with advice like that hasn't ever sped in their life before.
This seems to happen for EVERY thread about any ticket of any kind. The guy didnt ask for a freakin life lesson.
No offense to you twistedjeepster, but I see this every time and its just kinda annoying to me.
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I take no offense to what you are saying and I can see how someone saying this all the time can be annoying. The only reason I said to stop speeding is because the title of the thread is "Another speeding ticket". Had it said something to the fact of I got a speeding ticket today and need advise I probably wouldn't have even commented on the subject, and he was also asking for advice.
 
BigRedB2 said:
why is it different. why do you condone speeding?
are you saying that there is no need for speed limits?
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I dont, and I never said that there is no need for speed limits.

Im simply saying that speeding isnt nearly as serious as shoplifting as well or shooting a gun within city limits. Im not talking going 35 over the limit, but 5 or 10 is nothing to get all judgmental about.

I dont care how fast 98xjjeep, I care about the fact that he clearly doesnt want to hear opinions of others on speeding, he just wants to know what to do about his ticket.
 
Lawyer up and spend what's necessary.... that's my advice... Like I said i'm not 100% certain but I believe 15mph over is not good... and no more getting off w/ my improper equipment..

I may be wrong but that's what I've been seeing lately.
 
Macdaddy4738 said:
I dont, and I never said that there is no need for speed limits.
Im simply saying that speeding isnt nearly as serious .
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no?

in 2007 there were 607 people killed in NC due to speeding.

there were only 585 murders.

You can compare other years if you want. the news isnt going to change. Speeding takes as many lives in NC every year as do murderers.

That statistic doesnt not include running red lights or DUIs.
 
BigRedB2 said:
no?
in 2007 there were 607 people killed in NC due to speeding.
there were only 585 murders.
You can compare other years if you want. the news isnt going to change. Speeding takes as many lives in NC every year as do murderers.
That statistic doesnt not include running red lights or DUIs.
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That's a bullshit statistic. Any accident that can't be blamed on something else is due to "excessive speed", since you obviously couldn't stop fast enough to prevent a collision.
 
I quit speeding when I got my first 22r Toyota.....And started back when I bought my wife her 03 runner.
 
BigRedB2 said:
Thats a whole nuther pet peeve all together. There is NO SUCH THING as a "fast lane". the speed limit doesnt change from one side of the line to the other. there is a "slow lane" the right hand lane is for those traveling below the speed limit, and even with that there is a minimum speed limit.
if i am doing the speed limit in the left lane i am driving at the maximum speed that i am allowed.
technically, if i move over so that you can pass me i am aiding you in breaking that speed limit. which makes me an accomplice. Not that i think of it that way....just something i just thought of while typing this.
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well, if you are ever rolling i-440 around raleigh and see a black xj 3ft from your rear bumper yelling like a mad man, move over and give the pirate salute, bc that will be me
 
BigRedB2 said:
if i am doing the speed limit in the left lane i am driving at the maximum speed that i am allowed.
technically, if i move over so that you can pass me i am aiding you in breaking that speed limit. which makes me an accomplice. Not that i think of it that way....just something i just thought of while typing this.
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On the otherside... are you then taking justice into your own hands not moving over knowing that the person wants or needs to get by? Not saying I feel like drivers should bully there way around. If you have a legit reason to need to speed (emergency) then i don't feel like people should block others just to prove a point.

I just realized no one else has advice for me so i decided to comment haha.
 
I hate it when people speed up behind me and tailgate so bad I can't see the front of their car especially when there are more than one lanes. I don't care how fast you are going, where you have to be, or how important you think you are; if you fly up behind me and I'm doing the speed limit you are just going to have to get over into the other lane and pass me. When people decide to continue to tailgate me I take my foot off the gas pedal and just coast, going slower and slower until they go around. This just happened tonight as we were coming home from Concord going down 85, people driving like complete morons cutting people off, tailgating, and multiple lane changes coming within a foot or two of my jeep looking at me like I'm the asshole for going the speed limit.

More on Topic:
We could sit on here and argue sematics on whether speeding is the same as murder (which it's not, murder = felony, speeding = misdemeanor), but, the law is the law and if your speeding and get caught either fight it or just pay the fine. The problem I have with people speeding besides the aforementioned is that normally I have three kids in the car so is some speeder looses control, hits me by not paying attention, or does something else stupid they are endangering my kids and that is not okay with me. So if any of you are in Charlotte and see my jeep don't act like an idiot. So far all of the people on here that are saying "it's just speeding" need to stop and think about other people that are sharing the road with you and remember that driving is a privilege not a right.

I'm sorry for the long post, I just got really stressed out tonight while driving home tonight.
 
98xjjeep said:
On the otherside... are you then taking justice into your own hands not moving over knowing that the person wants or needs to get by?.
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Obeying the law is not taking justice into my own hands. If you speed, you can go around. Not my fault your late for work. You are choosing to speed, why do i need go out of my way to switch lanes to meet your fancy. turn your flashers on if its an emergency and i'll get out of the way.
 
BigRedB2 said:
You are choosing to speed, why do i need go out of my way to switch lanes to meet your fancy.
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Because it's the law. Slow traffic on the right, passing on the left. If you're not passing, you're breaking the law by occupying a passing lane and disrupting the free flow of traffic.

Lawbreaker.

The should throw your ass in jail.
 
Couple of things here.
1. The police admit that its ok to speed. Of my friends who are cops, they say 15 over or more is where you get their attention. The enforcers of the law are conceding that the speed limit is too low. This is why speeding is "ok". They allow that judgement call. Shoplifting is very clear cut, they don't allow you to steal some stuff. Firing a gun within city limits is a BS law, but at least it is clear cut. My solution: raise all speed limits 10mph and enforce it with absolute certainty.

2. Speed kills, but drugs aren't everything. Speeding doesn't. Driving with poor judgement does. I've been over 100 in a 45, and it was much safer than going 55mph through Hickory on 321 (which is the speed limit I might add). I got in a wreck at 4mph in a parking lot paying plenty of attention when a guy opened his door .2 seconds before my tire entered the space. Speeding has never killed anyone, speeding has never caused an accident, but it definitely exacerbates a lack of skill, judgement, and awareness. Drivers who drive beyond their visibility, don't take conditions into consideration, have a lapse of attention (or maybe not a lapse, maybe they always drive like that), etc cause wrecks, and wrecks kill people. If you can't accurately estimate your reaction time, stopping distance, potential problems, and points of escape in ALL given situations, it's my opinion you shouldn't be driving.

3. Driver education is an absolute waste of time in this country. Did any of yall do an emergency stop or evasive maneuver in drivers ed? What about predictive driving, where you have to be prepared for the other stupid drivers, or even innocent children running between cars or chasing a ball into the street? Have you ever done a 3pt turn since your driving test? Why didn't they teach that it is much easy, safer, and less bothersome to just pull into the next driveway, or do a uturn at the next intersection? The "education system" spends 13 years teaching you about "social studies" and 8 hours teaching you how to drive. Sounds quite a bit disproportionate to me.

4. And on a final note, texting laws. Get real. How about a "you looked or drove like you were distracted so Im writing you a ticket" law. That might actually fix the problem, quit making laws that are unenforceable.




All in all, my point is that people don't take driving seriously enough. When Im driving, Im driving. Some people think Im too intense because I get annoyed when they talk to me, and I don't answer the phone unless its really important. But I know where my focus is, and they do too.
 
awheelterd said:
well, if you are ever rolling i-440 around raleigh and see a black xj 3ft from your rear bumper yelling like a mad man, move over and give the pirate salute, bc that will be me
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I go 10 over and move as necessary. But if you tailgate my Excursion carrying my family good luck w/ that widdle unibody trying to move me. Oh yeah enjoy the 10" hitch extension through the radiator, one in Hickory and Gboro have already. You obviously havent been to enough funerals yet:shaking:
 
jeepinmatt said:
Speeding has never killed anyone,
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I agree w/ everything except this one little minor point... the truth is that speeding is a problem only b/c the damage done to a person's vehicle/body/others increases (often non-linearly) as speed goes up. E.g. accident at 75mph far worse than same accident at 45 mph. Thus, technically, it IS true that speed can, in fact, kill someone (as opposed to just maimed?) if all otehr factors were held constant.

What's most important w/ driving in traffic is that you move at the rate of traffic. This is what most LEOs will tell you and in fact what is taught in school. If eveyrbody is doing 10 over, then you are in fact creating a hazzard by doing substantially less.
But then - you will not get a ticket for that, which is what this whole stupid agrument got started over in the first place.
 
Use your lawyer to get out of the ticket and then stop driving so fast! LOL
 
spraypaintman said:
Use your lawyer to get out of the ticket and then stop driving so fast! LOL
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Trust me I have slowed down. I normally dont speed that much. I do get up to speed fast though. (Just cause my jeep sounds good) haha. The first one was in my dads liberty and 60 in it feels like 40 when your used to my jeep. I guess i will just wait to hear what the lawyer says he can do for me.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I agree w/ everything except this one little minor point... the truth is that speeding is a problem only b/c the damage done to a person's vehicle/body/others increases (often non-linearly) as speed goes up. E.g. accident at 75mph far worse than same accident at 45 mph. Thus, technically, it IS true that speed can, in fact, kill someone (as opposed to just maimed?) if all otehr factors were held constant.
What's most important w/ driving in traffic is that you move at the rate of traffic. This is what most LEOs will tell you and in fact what is taught in school. If eveyrbody is doing 10 over, then you are in fact creating a hazzard by doing substantially less.
But then - you will not get a ticket for that, which is what this whole stupid agrument got started over in the first place.
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I completely agree. Thats what drivers ed says in High School. It is more important to go with the flow. In my case i was passing the flow so that is probably why i am in this situation.
 
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