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getstucksome said:
i'm tired of being a mediator and i'm done with the situation.
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getstucksome said:
also, shaunmabe, no offense at all intended but if i were in your position where i was going to trade my jeep for another vehicle, i would for sure take it to a shop and get it checked out or bring my mechanic buddy to take a look at it and make sure everything is straight. even if it costs something to get that done, it's worth it to know nothing is wrong.
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if he trully follows through and contacts shaunmabe and they work it all out, then good, if not, and he trully is at fault then I am sorry shaunmabe and he has definately changed since I knew him.


Like getstucksome, I am not here defending him, just not accusing him of something that might or might not have happened. I guess I go with the innocent until proven guilty side instead of vice versa.

Shaunmabe, I hope it all works out and 78cjbeast, get this shit taken care of because I know you are a better guy then that so work it all out and I hope to see you around soon.
 
Who cares what everyone else thinks about him the thread is started because he possibly cheated someone. It doesnt help anything for anyone to tell their experiances with the guy. The only thing that would help is for the guy to get on here and tell his side of the story. If he has been on here like someone stated then he has probably seen the thread and hasnt said a word, then there is probably something shady going on. So all these so called friends get him on here and straighten it out. With that being said i would really do something about this. It would be worth a trip to Wilmington to get a hold of this guy and straighten things out. I personally would try some kind of legal action because as the story sounds now this would be considered a misrepresentation of the product if he says the engine was in good shape and it went that quick.
 
Who cares what everyone else thinks about him the thread is started because he possibly cheated someone.
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I will repeat

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that is all I was trying to say. That it is POSSIBLE and it is also POSSIBLE that he didn't. Everyone should take into account that he could not have known or a whole slew of things and automatically accusing someone without having the whole story is wrong IMHO. I agree that he should post on here to make things right but I figure as long as things get worked out, whether on the board or not, then everything should be fine. Again...best of luck shaunmabe.
 
southern4x4 said:
I will repeat
Everyone should take into account that he could not have known or a whole slew of things and automatically accusing someone without having the whole story is wrong IMHO.
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Until we hear doth sides of the story i will beleive the person that has posted and told his side of the story. Again this guy has been on the site and has probably seen the thread and hasnt said a word. I dont feel sorry for the guy until i hear his side of the story. This cheating people crap really makes me mad.:mad:
 
first off, let me say i don't know this 78cjbeast from a hole in the wall. i also certainly am sorry about and empathize with whatever difficulties shaunmabe is going through.

BUT...

you people are a bunch of fawking sheep, making up your mind about people you don't know and events that took place without you.
'till he replies himself to someone he can just stay on the chopping block
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i hope you hold the same opinion when/if you're ever accused of something you might not have done.
The crazy thing about this is that 78cjbeast has visited this site within the last 24 hours and fails to reconcile what has happened with any kind of post to clear his side of the story.
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maybe he's mature enough to not get a pissing match on the internet. maybe he knows he didn't do anything wrong, and that's all he cares about. or maybe he sought out to give the guy a dicking. the point is, you don't know.
the gear oil could have been put in there without his knowledge from the above mentioned sketchy shop guy.
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very valid point. that said, i don't even see where it's confirmed that it was even gear oil. no offense to you shaunmabe, but what makes you positive it was gear oil? i haven't seen that posted yet.
sorry, but a college kid that is broke does not look for a new engine unless something is wrong. When you got primer as paint a new engine just because is just b.s.
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what fantasy world do you live in? the majority of broke college kids spend mony on crap they don't need and can't afford. hell, alot of adults do too.
Until we hear doth sides of the story i will beleive the person that has posted and told his side of the story
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interesting. so i guess you're one of those people that just believes everything you hear on the news, etc.?
It doesnt help anything for anyone to tell their experiances with the guy.
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so wait, it's ok to post about negative experiences with him, but not positive ones? come on.

basically, none of you have a clue what really happened yet are passing judgement. that's the way all of these "i was cheated" threads go, and it's silly. whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? reading threads like this make you understand why it's gone from the justice system.
 
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basically, none of you have a clue what really happened yet are passing judgement. that's the way all of these "i was cheated" threads go, and it's silly. whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? reading threads like this make you understand why it's gone from the justice system.
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For the most part I agree with what you're saying. It does seem the guy's getting thrown under the bus, but... In the context of this forum I think the information given in the original post and the lack of response is good information to have. (if a lack of response can be considered information)

My point being, this forum is not eBay and as such does not have a ratings system to warn the rest of us that there's a potential scammer in our midst. Yes, it's buyer beware, but I appreciate a heads up that someone may be trouble.

In that context, the original poster raises a fair concern. If the accused feels there's a legitimate explanation and he wants to continue to do business on this forum, he should consider providing a short explanation of his side of the story. At that point the rest of us could make a decision as to whether one, or the other, or both stories were BS and move on.

Maybe this would be a good reason to implement some sort of feedback system in the commerce forum, but I suspect there's not a great solution without a ton of work. That being the case, the occasional, "he sold me poo!" "no way, I sold him gold that looked like poo!" post is fine with me.

My 2 cents.

Jeff
 
Well put Jeff,

This is sort of like pleading the 5th. You normally don't do it unless you are guilty. The FACT that he has been on here and not posted make him worse than wenzel. The fact that someone would say he may just not want to get into it on the forum because he is grownup or an adult.....Well, that makes no sense. This is a forum and a response to an allegation like this should be required. All I have to say
 
NCJeepin said:
that thing was 73 pages? damn!
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That was thread 2, #1 was locked and deleted due to...how should I say...well lets just say there was a thread #1
 
Rufus, I've always liked you, even when we argued over illegal wheeling spots when I was a young chap. You said everything I was trying to get across and 20x better. And while I agree that a response of some nature is warranted if 78cjbeast desires to continue any sales or have any respect on the board, I see no problem in him waiting until it is all resolved outside of the eye of the people on this board. And just because he has been on the site, and I know he for a fact has read this thread, it does not mean he should be required to respond. There are no rules saying you must post in threads mentioning you, even if they are attacking. I hope, for his sake, that when it is resolved either he or shaunmabe gives an update.
 
For the most part I agree with what you're saying. It does seem the guy's getting thrown under the bus, but... In the context of this forum I think the information given in the original post and the lack of response is good information to have. (if a lack of response can be considered information)

My point being, this forum is not eBay and as such does not have a ratings system to warn the rest of us that there's a potential scammer in our midst. Yes, it's buyer beware, but I appreciate a heads up that someone may be trouble.

In that context, the original poster raises a fair concern. If the accused feels there's a legitimate explanation and he wants to continue to do business on this forum, he should consider providing a short explanation of his side of the story. At that point the rest of us could make a decision as to whether one, or the other, or both stories were BS and move on.

Maybe this would be a good reason to implement some sort of feedback system in the commerce forum, but I suspect there's not a great solution without a ton of work. That being the case, the occasional, "he sold me poo!" "no way, I sold him gold that looked like poo!" post is fine with me.
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i agree totally with all of that. my whole beef is with all the jumping on the bandwagon judgements that are always made in these sorts of threads.
This is sort of like pleading the 5th. You normally don't do it unless you are guilty
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oh, right... so now if you choose to practice a constitutional RIGHT you must be guilty? i guess refusing to allow personal property to be searched means you're hiding something too right? or maybe because i own a gun it has to mean i'm going to shoot someone? please.
The fact that someone would say he may just not want to get into it on the forum because he is grownup or an adult.....Well, that makes no sense.
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some people have a little thing called character, and don't stoop to internet pissing matches (obviously i don't). they also realize that such dealings are between them and the other party only, not thousands of other goons sitting behind their computers hundreds of miles away. i'm not saying that's why he hasn't responded, but it's something that should be considered just as equally as your opinion that he's guilty because he hasn't responded.

i'll say again... the guy may very well be guilty as sin. my point is that there is an equal chance that he's not, and who are we to immediately judge him based on the VERY limited, devoid of facts, or anything resembling them information that's been posted. it is unfortunate that someone's word isn't enough, but that's how it is.
 
I want to post an update to let you know that I am not trying to convict 78cjbeast of anything. As a prosecuter does for the jury I just present the evidence I have and wait for a defense that is yet to follow. I am not trying to stoop to a pissing match either. If he chooses not to reply than that is his choice. I only statred the post so that others on here may not be as unfortunate as myself and repeat my mistake with this guy because I failed to act. I know that hind sight is 20/20 and I would have slowed down if I could go back. I had e-mailed and spoke with 78cjbeast by phone several times prioir to our meeting and from my questions seemed like a stand up guy. I am just upset that I repeatedly asked, IS THIS JEEP RELIABLE??, not perfect and he said yes. I do need to add that since the original post his father sent a letter requesting his registration plate from the jeep. Along with the letter was a check for $200 for what he said was part of the tow bill. A good gesture but not what I was looking for. Since this I have yet to hear from his father or him by phone, e-mail or letter. Regardless of what you think of my situation just take heed if you see a FOR SALE post from 78cjbeast. Thanks..
 
I do not know either of you, nor while I probably ever meet you. with that said......People need to understand that things happen with mechanical items. I understand that there was "gear oil" in the motor, but there is no 2nd opinion on that. I bought a brand new truck a couple of years back and had the power steering and the seal for the 4wd blow out on the way home. Who could have known that was going to happen? The truck had 40 miles on it! Granted, I had a warranty to fix it, but just trying to shine some light on the subject. Sometimes, SHIT HAPPENS!! and other times Shitheads happen! Not too sure what situation this is!

Good Luck and I hope that you guys get it figured out. It sounds like a good start with the $200 getting mailed to you.
 
shaunmabe said:
I do need to add that since the original post his father sent a letter requesting his registration plate from the jeep. Along with the letter was a check for $200 for what he said was part of the tow bill. A good gesture but not what I was looking for. Since this I have yet to hear from his father or him by phone, e-mail or letter. Regardless of what you think of my situation just take heed if you see a FOR SALE post from 78cjbeast. Thanks..
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Still smells of yet another parent bailing out the deadbeat kid... :rolleyes:

Write his "diddy" back (snail mail will drag it out another few days) to say he may drive his happy @$$ up to Rural Hall for the registration plate (license plate?) if he needs it! :fuck-you:

Also, DO NOT cash the check if you are planning to take him/them to small claims!
 
yeah if your going any further with this do not cash the check, that basically says your accept that as a resolution
 
Not being a Lawyer but rather a wise old owl, this can go down two paths...
One, file a claim in small claims court, have your day with the Judge and see what happens..ask for money but you can request, to the Judge, a swap.
Two, accept what has happened and move on with your life. It ain't fair but $hit happens. Live long enough and it will happen to you too.

The Judge may not award anything based on unknown care by the new owner (who is really at fault that motor broke?)

Doing anything personal will likely put you in hot water. Calling him sounds like a waste of time. If it was fate, he is probably scared and embarrased.

If he doesn't show up in court, its my understanding that the complainant will win by default. SCC cost about $50 to file. Add the fee to your claim for $$

Good luck....perhaps a crew from nc4x4 will show up at your house one Saturday and pull the motor/tear it down/decide what needs to be fixed/take the parts to be fixed/come back and bolt it all together for ya?
Peace and Civility ... read the Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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SEAIRESCUE said:
Not being a Lawyer but rather a wise old owl, this can go down two paths...
One, file a claim in small claims court, have your day with the Judge and see what happens..ask for money but you can request, to the Judge, a swap.
Two, accept what has happened and move on with your life. It ain't fair but $hit happens. Live long enough and it will happen to you too.
The Judge may not award anything based on unknown care by the new owner (who is really at fault that motor broke?)
Doing anything personal will likely put you in hot water. Calling him sounds like a waste of time. If it was fate, he is probably scared and embarrased.
If he doesn't show up in court, its my understanding that the complainant will win by default. SCC cost about $50 to file. Add the fee to your claim for $$
Good luck....perhaps a crew from nc4x4 will show up at your house one Saturday and pull the motor/tear it down/decide what needs to be fixed/take the parts to be fixed/come back and bolt it all together for ya?
Peace and Civility ... read the Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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Agreed

except for the beer right after the bible
 
Yeah, beer tastes much better after chicken wings... the bible is kinda bland.

Anyway, not that it'll help you now, but isn't there like a 2-3 day "i changed my mind" period on used cars? or maybe that's just from a dealer?
 
No actually thats just a very widely held misconception.

NC has no cooling off period. Or at least that is what an attorney told my sister when she decided she didnt want her ne car (payment) the day after she signed.
 
X2 on the no cooling off period, once you sign,your done.


As far as the situation is concerned remember the desert toy~OBX26 situation in pirate? The general consensus was the OB knew the motor was toast in that runner and in the end he gave the money back.



Does cj needs to swap back? Dunno, personally I think he does or come up with a motor.
 
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