Beast Inc Sneak Peak

OK So from the responses I'm seeing here Hydro is fine (like I thought)
no, not necessarily. you've yet to give us any specs on your system. i'm betting it's a mismatched thrown together pile of tractor and forklift parts, in which case it's NOT okay to drive on the street. unless you dropped a few thousand and had a complete system specifically designed and the components matched for street driving.

the pinion brakes are the only real item in question here
there's nothing in question. they're dangerous, period. they lock up easy, fade fast, and you've got a lot more moving parts that could break between the brakes and the wheel resulting in no brakes.

I just want to be able to putt around town in my Rig to show it off is what this all boils down too. Its actually almost as important to me to be able to do that rather than wheel (relax I said almost) but nonetheless very Important to me in whatever I build to be able to drive around in it.
dude, i'm sorry but that is just absolutely retarded. looking cool is so important that you're ready to risk your safety and others? come on! you've already dodged the proverbial bullet how many times, and what have you learned?

i won't even get into how silly it is to care that much about how you look, safe vehicle or not.:rolleyes:

i don't know why any of us even bother to respond to these threads anymore, we might as well just beat our heads against the wall for the good it does. or maybe you're just trolling us, sitting back and laughing at how worked up we get at your hair brained ideas.:flipoff2:
 
tires were also an issue. i dont know the limitations of the sidewall, or how the tread section is going to hold up under road use. if its locked, its going to chunk like hell, and that will make them illegal. I would be worried about how much traction an aggricultural tire will be able to have on pavement, especially wet pavement or in turns (and being locked, if you are locked).

Yea I would be extremly happy if I could drive the tractor tires on the road but I don't think that will work out, most likely I will end up getting a set of 52's as DD tires and just use the tractor tires offroad.


It seems you parents have money, and will be a prime target if you run over some fag at ncsu who's father is a lawyer.

Hey now, my jeep is completely funded by me, don't anybody start thinkin Im spoiled and my parents pay for my junk :flipoff2: my dad hates that I spend soo much $$ on what I do, :lol: On a More serious Note why would they go after my parents in a law suit, I am over 18, and the vehicle is in my name? I guess I am still a dependant there tax forms, I'm just curious . . . lol

no, not necessarily. you've yet to give us any specs on your system. i'm betting it's a mismatched thrown together pile of tractor and forklift parts, in which case it's NOT okay to drive on the street. unless you dropped a few thousand and had a complete system specifically designed and the components matched for street driving.

Ok my bad, to be honest I have no real idea what my system is I got it as a package kinda thing in a trade deal with Jeff, but here's what Jeff said earlier, and Jeff knows his stuff when it comes to Hydro:

Your steering will be fine on the streets it is a non load reactive with an open center (if you want return to center use a damn box other wise a load reactive unit with a closed center will break your hands with big tires on the trail thats why we don't use them in heavy equipment with agg. tires liability) you have a balanced cylinder so you have the same turning speed in each direction & for those of you who don't have a balanced cylinder try an orifice fitting in the clevis end of the cylinder

And as for the pinion Brakes:

there's nothing in question. they're dangerous, period. they lock up easy, fade fast, and you've got a lot more moving parts that could break between the brakes and the wheel resulting in no brakes

My bad on that when I said "In question" bad terminology for the point I was trying to get across, i guess but i was agreeing with you/others that it is an issue that needs to be addressed b4 I hit the road.

dude, i'm sorry but that is just absolutely retarded. looking cool is so important that you're ready to risk your safety and others? come on! you've already dodged the proverbial bullet how many times, and what have you learned?

i won't even get into how silly it is to care that much about how you look, safe vehicle or not.

i don't know why any of us even bother to respond to these threads anymore, we might as well just beat our heads against the wall for the good it does. or maybe you're just trolling us, sitting back and laughing at how worked up we get at your hair brained ideas.

Come on thou there's so many guys that drive huge frikin trucks on the road, if I set it up properly why can't I too?

And the responses have done good, you talked me out of the pinoin brakes and the tractor tires for on road driving :driver:
 
Wouldn't a closed center orbital dead-head your pump?
Yes, you are correct it would dead head your pump I had my mind on a load sensing orbital with a pressure compensating pump.

Ricky, here are the specs on your oribital valve & balanced cylinder
pace manufacturing HGF20286A10800 8.25 CIR

cyl. 2x10.75x1.00 rod

you should have about 3 turns lock to lock @ full rod extension
 
Wouldn't a closed center orbital dead-head your pump?
Yes, you are correct it would dead head your pump I had my mind on a load sensing orbital with a pressure compensating pump.
Ricky, here are the specs on your oribital valve & balanced cylinder
pace manufacturing HGF20286A10800 8.25 CIR
cyl. 2x10.75x1.00 rod
you should have about 3 turns lock to lock @ full rod extension

Cool thanks :driver:


Hey quick question to all:

Why couldn't I run the stock Drums? There huge they have to be able to stop the michlins on the deuce and a half trucks why couldnt I use them on the Jeep?
 
cause the duece uses 6 of them to stop 40 inch tires. Your going to be using 4 to stop 53 inch tires.
 
i think the duece would weight a little more than the jeep .. i am sure they would stop the jeep they are just heavy as hell
 
This ain't NASCAR, "This is four wheeling, it's all experimental, they ain't no right or wrong yet"

Stole that from (I think) Kevin in Mt Airey and love it.
 
Hey now, my jeep is completely funded by me, don't anybody start thinkin Im spoiled and my parents pay for my junk :flipoff2: my dad hates that I spend soo much $$ on what I do, :lol: On a More serious Note why would they go after my parents in a law suit, I am over 18, and the vehicle is in my name? I guess I am still a dependant there tax forms, I'm just curious . . . lol

I don't think it was the implication that thsi was a "daddy-funded" project.
Rather that, when people get sue-happy (which tends to happen when somebody hurts them by, say, crashing a poorly-built cobble-mobile into them), the first thing they do is find out who has $$ to go after... and that could be anybody loosely connected w/ the person "at fault".
E.g., if you built this beast in Dad's driveway, used any of his tools, took a crap in his home while doing it... that could be (not necessarily correctly, but could) construed as "involvement" or "aiding" etc etc... so they now have partial liability...
It's stupid, but (unfortunately) how our world works.

Same thing goes for, say, your landlord, roomates, buddies who work on it.

FYI you are claimed as a dependent for taxes b/c you're in college, that's just a tax break given to encourage people to send their kids to college. Legally you're not a dependent.
 
cause the duece uses 6 of them to stop 40 inch tires. Your going to be using 4 to stop 53 inch tires.


Ha Ha..... I would like to have Rich to run all the numbers on this weight to stoping ability. I would guess it is 10 times Harder to stop a loaded duce, even with 33 in tires. Where ya at Rich, now your in this.
 
Ha Ha..... I would like to have Rich to run all the numbers on this weight to stoping ability. I would guess it is 10 times Harder to stop a loaded duce, even with 33 in tires. Where ya at Rich, now your in this.

Dammit Stump!

OK...let's see.. carry the 3, divide by the sum...

The answer is...






















The drums are too fawking heavy, too fawking big, but they'd stop that thing.. IF they were perfectly adjusted, AND completely rebuilt.
 
first of all, instead of bustin' his ass so much on this, how about some suggestions on how to get that thing on the streets safely, since you know he's gonna anyway.
and ricky, listen to the fellas.
matter of fact, listen to scott. get with him and you 2 figure out how to accomplish your goal.
let me put it in terms you'll like: you can't tame a beast!
seriously dude, it's either a mild but capable trail rig that is street safe/worthy, or a badass on the trail that needs a trailer.
i guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. so it comes down to who you want to impress, nc4x4 or ncsu sorostitutes.
i'm not bustin on you at all...i totally admire your creative drive and enthusiasm. you go all out. just don't let your desire for "pushing the envelope" land you in front of a jury and a family mourning a loss. crazier shit has happened in safer, more controlled environments.

Good answer!

With the proper amount of money you can have your cake and eat it too.
 
USA6x6 has a sweet kit for hub brake kit
but she aint cheep:driver:

I dunno about sweet, but it's not that expensive.

I was less than enthused about having to grind on 1/2 the freaking stud, but it's a necessary evil to keep the piece thick enough.
 
I mean, I don't really have a problem with the added weight of the drums because this thing already weighs a crapton anyway, whats a few extra couple hundred pounds? Plus the fact that when I pulled my axles apart the front looked like it had seriously been just rebuilt bearing/seal wise and the drums that were on it look brand new, also the fact that it would be ridiculously cheaper to run than the wheel disk brakes.

Wheel clearance shouldnt be too much of an issue since my DD tires would be some 52's on the stock deuce rims and my wheeling tires bolt out at the hub so there far enough out to clear (I think)

Would I have to get a huge master cylinder to move em? If so what size would be suggested? Or should I just gank the Deuce and a half master cylinder?
 
the deuces are air over hydraulic i believe, so that wouldn't work. just a regular old gm truck 1 ton master would probably be sufficient. the brakes are big, but i don't remember the wheel cylinders being that massive.
 
the deuces are air over hydraulic i believe, so that wouldn't work. just a regular old gm truck 1 ton master would probably be sufficient. the brakes are big, but i don't remember the wheel cylinders being that massive.

Ok Cool, After this weekend I see what you guys are saying about the Pinion brakes locking up, i can tap the thing and literally make the rear tires come off the ground almost, lol.

btw do you or anyone know off the top of your head what size bore a Generic Chevy 1 ton Master Cylinder is?

love seeing fullsizes done. I have some and wondering if you does out wheeling alot out there?

Thanks I like fullsizes too, can you rephrase the question thou, don't quite get what your trying to say :lol:
 
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