bikers ran over!!!

mommucked said:
I betcha all motorbikes will be banned in NYC soon, thanks to these bad behaving bikers.
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that's a likely outcome but according to the article a lot of the bikes, quads, dirtbikes and segways were illegal anyways....
 
Ive stayed out of this because it is just destined to be a cluster.
But...
1- By definition that was a lynching and EVERY member of the group committed a crime and should be charged.
2- It will be a cold day in hell when I am forced to obey the law "somewhere else" just because someone else wants to break it.
3- If it is proven that there were off duty LEOs in the gorup everyone needs to lose their jobs and be charged. The oath to "Protect and Serve" doesnt end at clock out time.
4- It is a shame that the ran over biker lived.
 
I think I should also clarify for anything that got lost in translation. I'm not defending the bikers...I think they should have gotten more than what was coming to them. I think it's absolutely appalling that NY knew this ride was going to happen and chose not to do anything about it because it would be too much hassel to patrol. I wasn't trying to show sympathy for the bikers, just that I know had I been in the same situation as the rover driver, and saw a gang of bikers coming up and every other car on the road was moving over, why didn't the rover driver. In the name of protecting your family, half the battle of protection is preventing a bad situation from getting worse, I don't think very many folks here wouldn't have just pulled over...regardless of how ridiculous you felt it was. I mean I don't take folks down the rough part of town or walk alley ways at night for the same reason...and that's the same exact situation. But what's done is done...and I think the rover driver did what he had to do under the circumstances, and should have absolutely zero legal repercussions.
 
UTfball68 said:
I think I should also clarify for anything that got lost in translation. I'm not defending the bikers...I think they should have gotten more than what was coming to them. I think it's absolutely appalling that NY knew this ride was going to happen and chose not to do anything about it because it would be too much hassel to patrol. I wasn't trying to show sympathy for the bikers, just that I know had I been in the same situation as the rover driver, and saw a gang of bikers coming up and every other car on the road was moving over, why didn't the rover driver. In the name of protecting your family, half the battle of protection is preventing a bad situation from getting worse, I don't think very many folks here wouldn't have just pulled over...regardless of how ridiculous you felt it was. I mean I don't take folks down the rough part of town or walk alley ways at night for the same reason...and that's the same exact situation. But what's done is done...and I think the rover driver did what he had to do under the circumstances, and should have absolutely zero legal repercussions.
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See I disagree...if I get over in the right lane I ahve only 1 way to escape. In the center I have more options.
I dont know what was going on inside that car. He has a 6 month old in the back. After you drive on a busy interstate for the first time with an infant screaming their guts out for ...something...for abotu 15 minutes get back to me on how clear your thinking is. :D

I dont thik this guy really did anything wrong other than not having 911 on the phone whle he was running from these hood rats
 
Ron said:
After you drive on a busy interstate for the first time with an infant screaming their guts out for ...something...for abotu 15 minutes get back to me on how clear your thinking is. :D
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QFT

:lol:
 
Maybe he needed to be in the left lane, maybe he needed to exit ahead, a million maybes could be placed here, but all in all these guys were acting in an intimidating manner. If I'm cruising down the highway at a reasonable speed I don't feel its my obligation to move out of some ones way if they are speeding...
 
Ron said:
I dont thik this guy really did anything wrong other than not having 911 on the phone whle he was running from these hood rats
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from what I understand he or his wife did call them... several times giving them his location each time. That's how they got to the final location so fast but not fast enough.


As for the police that were involved.... c'mon this is Neew Yawk ! I'm sure this isn't the worst thing those cops have done. My opinion on that is, laws are more strict if you assault a public servant, well the should be 10x worse if a public servant assaults a civilian....
 
Ron said:
See I disagree...if I get over in the right lane I ahve only 1 way to escape. In the center I have more options.
I dont know what was going on inside that car. He has a 6 month old in the back. After you drive on a busy interstate for the first time with an infant screaming their guts out for ...something...for abotu 15 minutes get back to me on how clear your thinking is. :D

I dont thik this guy really did anything wrong other than not having 911 on the phone whle he was running from these hood rats
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I hear ya...and I understand the escape route logic, and I'd use 9 times out of 10. But in this situation the people that moved over aren't on the news for getting dragged from their car and running a biker over...maybe that's just hindsight being 20/20.
 
UTfball68 said:
I hear ya...and I understand the escape route logic, and I'd use 9 times out of 10. But in this situation the people that moved over aren't on the news for getting dragged from their car and running a biker over...maybe that's just hindsight being 20/20.
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Are you the kind of guy that says a girl wouldn't have been raped if she didn't dress like a slut too?
 
Bogleparsons said:
Are you the kind of guy that says a girl wouldn't have been raped if she didn't dress like a slut too?
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No...but I am the kind of guy that says if she was walking a dark alley at night alone, maybe the situation was preventable. Still not blaming her for the atrocious act though. I'm not the kind of guy that typically backs down from a fight...but if it's a fight I can't win or puts my family in harms way...yeah, then I'm pretty risk averse.
 
UTfball68 said:
No...but I am the kind of guy that says if she was walking a dark alley at night alone, maybe the situation was preventable. Still not blaming her for the atrocious act though. I'm not the kind of guy that typically backs down from a fight...but if it's a fight I can't win or puts my family in harms way...yeah, then I'm pretty risk averse.
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I'll accept that answer, well done.
 
Ron said:
Ive stayed out of this because it is just destined to be a cluster.
But...
1- By definition that was a lynching and EVERY member of the group committed a crime and should be charged.
2- It will be a cold day in hell when I am forced to obey the law "somewhere else" just because someone else wants to break it.
3- If it is proven that there were off duty LEOs in the gorup everyone needs to lose their jobs and be charged. The oath to "Protect and Serve" doesnt end at clock out time.
4- It is a shame that the ran over biker lived.
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X2!!!!!!!!!
 
UTfball68 said:
I hear ya...and I understand the escape route logic, and I'd use 9 times out of 10. But in this situation the people that moved over aren't on the news for getting dragged from their car and running a biker over...maybe that's just hindsight being 20/20.
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Here's the thing. The bikers WERE able to get around him to the left. There was no reason he HAD to move over to "get out of their way". If he was driving in the fast lane and was politely flashed requesting he move over and didn't, then he deserved to get the finger, or a good stern talking to. Not a brake check followed by a gang assault.

I'm all about courteous driving. If I see someone flying up on me obviously faster than me, I get right. However, if a large group of bikers surrounds my vehicle and motions to pull over - unless I see a badge - I'm not budging.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Here's the thing. The bikers WERE able to get around him to the left. There was no reason he HAD to move over to "get out of their way". If he was driving in the fast lane and was politely flashed requesting he move over and didn't, then he deserved to get the finger, or a good stern talking to. Not a brake check followed by a gang assault.

I'm all about courteous driving. If I see someone flying up on me obviously faster than me, I get right. However, if a large group of bikers surrounds my vehicle and motions to pull over - unless I see a badge - I'm not budging.
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Again...I'm not arguing whether the rover was in the right or what he was obligated to do. You're right, he has a reasonable expectation to believe nothing should have happened...but it did and that brings me back to my point, eveyone else on the highway that day seemed to come out the other side just fine. They didn't run anybody over, they weren't pursued by a biker gang, they weren't dragged from their vehicle and beaten. I don't think it's rocket science to figure out how those other people figured out how to avoid that mess.

Here's the way I look at it...I go to the movies. Somebody down in the front row starts spraying people down. I have a reasonable belief heading to that movie theater that I'm safe, and that someone starting a shooting spree is illegal and shouldn't happen...but guess what, it happens. I'm not gonna stand on my soap box and say the guy down front shouldn't be shooting at me. I'm not going to remain in my seat equidistant from all the doors for multiple escape routes until the shooter decides which aisle he's going to go down. I know I can't win that fight, and I'm not going to sit on my high horse, thump my Bible, recite laws being broken and tell people what shouldn't be happening...because it is happening. I'm gonna get the fawk out of harms way.

I think most people have enough sense to realize a bad situation and understand what they have to do to avoid. Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, I doubt very much that most people are going to assess a risky situation that they can't win and are going to stand their ground on principle and put their family in further danger.
 
UTfball68 said:
Again...I'm not arguing whether the rover was in the right or what he was obligated to do. You're right, he has a reasonable expectation to believe nothing should have happened...but it did and that brings me back to my point, eveyone else on the highway that day seemed to come out the other side just fine. They didn't run anybody over, they weren't pursued by a biker gang, they weren't dragged from their vehicle and beaten.
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They also weren't in a $50,000+ Luxury SUV, now were they? The only other vehicle I see in the video up to the altercation is a white 15 passenger Ford van that looks like a church bus.

This screams out, "Hey... let's f@#$ with this rich dude... Make him wet his Armani pants."

It was a setup from the word go. This wasn't racial. This wasn't a case of bikers out for a Sunday cruise and they "happened" to get bumped. They saw someone who had some money and looked like an easy target. They counted on him bumping the back tire and having to stop and give insurance information and the biker gets a new ride out of his insurance. Plain and simple. It's envy or covetousness whichever you prefer to call it. You have something I want and I feel like I should have it, so I'll make you pay.

As far as your movie theatre analogy, it doesn't really hold water since courtesy isn't really going to make someone on a shooting rampage decide against it. I doubt you hear from someone just having been arrested for going on a shooting spree say, "If the guy in the second row just would have let me cut in front of him in line, none of this would have happened."
 
UTfball68 said:
Again...I'm not arguing whether the rover was in the right or what he was obligated to do. You're right, he has a reasonable expectation to believe nothing should have happened...but it did and that brings me back to my point, eveyone else on the highway that day seemed to come out the other side just fine. They didn't run anybody over, they weren't pursued by a biker gang, they weren't dragged from their vehicle and beaten. I don't think it's rocket science to figure out how those other people figured out how to avoid that mess.

Here's the way I look at it...I go to the movies. Somebody down in the front row starts spraying people down. I have a reasonable belief heading to that movie theater that I'm safe, and that someone starting a shooting spree is illegal and shouldn't happen...but guess what, it happens. I'm not gonna stand on my soap box and say the guy down front shouldn't be shooting at me. I'm not going to remain in my seat equidistant from all the doors for multiple escape routes until the shooter decides which aisle he's going to go down. I know I can't win that fight, and I'm not going to sit on my high horse, thump my Bible, recite laws being broken and tell people what shouldn't be happening...because it is happening. I'm gonna get the fawk out of harms way.

I think most people have enough sense to realize a bad situation and understand what they have to do to avoid. Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, I doubt very much that most people are going to assess a risky situation that they can't win and are going to stand their ground on principle and put their family in further danger.
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And again...I would treat this situation exactly like the rover situation. I would stay in place(seat or lane), draw my weapon and be prepared to fire when necessary.

Bad analogy to be honest. Again I dont stay in the middle lane ENTIRELY because its my right, I stay there because instantly that situation is hostile and it is my most defensible position.
 
i read this morning that they were trying to get him pulled over because he had hit one of the bikers before the tape started rolling.

my only issue with that statement was that if he had hit someone earlier, then where is the person he hit? even a small bump at 60mph between a rover and a bike is going to result in an accident.
 
I just keep wishing the guy in the SUV would have had a nice coach gun. He could have blown a few heads off while going down the freeway.
 
The only thing I've gathered of this incident from the news, the video, and from Forum postings is this. There sure is a bunch of speculation going on. I don't know about any of you, but I wasn't there for any of it. I didn't see who started it, I wasn't in the vehicle or on a bike. Soooooooooo, ya.
 
I can see from the video 30+ bike riders chasing down and attacking a man and his family.

If something happened prior to that they should have called the police with tag# or followed while calling police.
 
Bogleparsons said:
I can see from the video 30+ bike riders chasing down and attacking a man and his family.

If something happened prior to that they should have called the police with tag# or followed while calling police.
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This.

I wasn't there, but I can read body language pretty good. I also know human nature and can usually read people pretty well. The first 30 seconds of the video tell the story pretty well. The biker who was hit was not attempting to make contact with them, but he was craning his neck toward the SUV as he was passing it. He then is focused on the bike rider with the camera and turning his neck the other direction to see how close he was getting to the SUV. Here he is baiting the trap for him to get tapped by the SUV. I don't even see his brake light lit up, which tells me he just throttled down and the collision took place at that point. Everyone is alerted to stop and they do so VERY quickly. They knew something was up.


Anyone who says that something happened prior to this video, I'm calling BS on. The body language and activity doesn't support it.
 
mbalbritton said:
The only thing I've gathered of this incident from the news, the video, and from Forum postings is this. There sure is a bunch of speculation going on. I don't know about any of you, but I wasn't there for any of it. I didn't see who started it, I wasn't in the vehicle or on a bike. Soooooooooo, ya.
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The thin gis, in NY just like in both Carolinas the law states (some variation of) vehicles are required to stay right of the lane as possible EXCEPT when over taking another vehicle"

As soon as the bikers pass double file they are breaking the law and inviting trouble. Then when they have unlicensed vehicles without proper signaling devices (brake lights and turn signals) they are doubling down.

I started road biking a year or so back, and refuse to ride with a group because they all want to ride in formation on public roads, increasing my odds of being hit and injured.
 
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