Boirl Scouts

McCracken said:
When I was in Scouts we told dirty jokes, made spears to kill innocent creatures, played practical jokes which sometimes resulted in some kid not having clothes when we went swimming.... you know, shit like that.
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None of that's allowed anymore.
 
JSJJ388 said:
Now the truth cones out. It's not that we haven't given facts that support our stance, you are just u willing to accept them. Should've said that 2 pages ago...

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No...I made it very clear in that very first sentence that no one has produced anything tangible that wouldn't benefit a girl in the Boy Scouts, if you can do that, I'd be convinced. They've posted opinions, but boys and girls coexist daily in school, doesn't stop boys from being boys. We've established everyone is different, males included, so no one here has a damn clue what might benefit a particular child, male or female. And there's an argument out there that would support in today's day and time where women are breadwinners and in power positions, introducing male/female competition at an early age would be beneficial. Just to be clear here though, I'm not advocating girls start joining the Boy Scouts...but do think it's a bit hypocritical to say 'everyone is different' in one breath and then say 'one size fits all' in the next.
 
UTfball68 said:
.but do think it's a bit hypocritical to say 'everyone is different' in one breath and then say 'one size fits all' in the next.
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First, that's not what hypocritical means. Second, you're the only one saying that.
 
"no one has produced anything tangible that wouldn't benefit a girl in the Boy Scouts"

That's not the argument. The argument is the inclusion of girls in Boy Scouts will negatively change the program for the young men. That's the problem with this. And I have three daughters! So I understand the issue. And it's time for the Girl Scouts to stop spending so much time on selling cookies and start building a successful program for the many girls that desire a similar experience. This can (and should be) accomplished by the Girl Scouts, not by diluting the Boy Scouts. The BSA is wrong to include girls and the GSA is wrong to not improve their offering.

Off to my son's Boy Scout meeting. Have a good night. :p
 
shawn said:
First, that's not what hypocritical means. Second, you're the only one saying that.
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Sure it is- characterized by behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel.

How is saying everyone is different, then saying a certain curriculum/path/development is the best for a particular individual not hypocritical???

And actually there have been multiple people in this thread have said 'the best development for a boy/girl is...' Saying the best path for all girls is Girl Scouts is one size fits all.
 
I think Boy Scouts are changing to be able to apart of the movement they started which is co-ed. The World Scouting Movement is based on the fundamentals of the BSA. From my understanding of what is happening is the program is going to change which it does every three years in an attempt to keep up with changing times. Like they add web safety as a requirement to the first rank a while ago and other things. I just hope they change the program for the better.

I understand males and females learn differently but the teaching method that the Scouting program focuses is adapted to work for the both. It is referred to as the EDGE method it stands for Educate Demonstrate Guide and Enable. This teaching method is already required to know for the first three ranks of the boy scout program. The EDGE method is what is used when teaching Venture scouts or explorer scouts (for the grey hairs) !!!JOKE!!!.

The BSA is not affiliated with single religion but Christianity is the main one. It comes down to what your charter organization is. That's where the unit is based out of. At events it is encourage to have nondenominational services with time built in for people to pray to their God. Most religions of the same base core values. The religion awards are created where you choose your religion and complete a work book with guidance of pastor or religious leader associated with your religion. They books are design to make you challenge your own beliefs and see how they relate to others.

There is nothing in the BSA program that a girl couldn't do as well or better that any male. I know this because i spent 4 summers working summer camp staff along side girls they where apart of a venture crew. The only thing they couldn't do was help move tent platforms but we need spotters.

Having girls apart of the BSA is just going to make it harder on volunteers. With venturing being co-ed two adults leader one from each gender are required to go on outings when both genders are presents. With Boy-scouts two leaders are still required but my concern is there is some units that don't have any males or any females leaders.
 
Deplorable said:
"no one has produced anything tangible that wouldn't benefit a girl in the Boy Scouts"

That's not the argument. The argument is the inclusion of girls in Boy Scouts will negatively change the program for the young men. That's the problem with this. And I have three daughters! So I understand the issue. And it's time for the Girl Scouts to stop spending so much time on selling cookies and start building a successful program for the many girls that desire a similar experience. This can (and should be) accomplished by the Girl Scouts, not by diluting the Boy Scouts. The BSA is wrong to include girls and the GSA is wrong to not improve their offering.

Off to my son's Boy Scout meeting. Have a good night. :p
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I whole heartedly agree the problem is a dilapidated Girl Scouts program. But as I said in one of my original comments, if a girl can fulfill the qualifications, how is it diluting the program?
 
UTfball68 said:
Sure it is- characterized by behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel.

How is saying everyone is different, then saying a certain curriculum/path/development is the best for a particular individual not hypocritical???

And actually there have been multiple people in this thread have said 'the best development for a boy/girl is...' Saying the best path for all girls is Girl Scouts is one size fits all.
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Again, you're the only one saying that. Pretty much from the start of the thread, you and fabric8 have been kicking straw men.

Hypocrisy is the act of claiming to possess a VIRTUE which one does not actually have or intend to have. The word you're looking for is contradictory, or maybe inconsistent.
 
shawn said:
Again, you're the only one saying that. Pretty much from the start of the thread, you and fabric8 have been kicking straw men.

Hypocrisy is the act of claiming to possess a VIRTUE which one does not actually have or intend to have. The word you're looking for is contradictory, or maybe inconsistent.
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Might wanna let Merriam-Webster know they have the definition wrong, then. The belief or feeling that everyone is different, while exhibiting the behavior in stating that a particular path is better for a child they have never met, is the definition of hypocrisy. JJ and warriorwelding both identified gender specific paths, that's not me making it up.

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Bs I'm all for equal women rights but fuck that!! Just like women in marines as boots fuck that too... I was a Boy Scout for years and to have girls in scouts would be a distraction! Scouts are to teach kids to become leaders/soldiers! Girls scouts did that for girls Maybe they should come up with a Eagle Scout for brownies!!?
 
Im not going to be a hypocrite or a Strawman builder. Im going to be a realist. BSA is a dieing organization . By allowing girls it may survive a couple years longer.

Everyone defends causes that are near to them. I left boyscouts in the 5th grade because I couldn't afford to go to a trip. Sucked being poor.

I mean to me, it's a Christian organization...if they allow homosexuals they've already broken from their core beliefs might as well go the whole way.
 
UTfball68 said:
Might wanna let Merriam-Webster know they have the definition wrong, then. The belief or feeling that everyone is different, while exhibiting the behavior in stating that a particular path is better for a child they have never met, is the definition of hypocrisy. JJ and warriorwelding both identified gender specific paths, that's not me making it up.

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Merriam Webster:

hypocrisy: the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

:rolleyes:

Also, can't believe that you're still insisting you're not employing straw men. Are you being willfully dishonest, or do you also not understand what that means?
 
Solid reading material here that's kept me occupied for the last hour.
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So I don't have kids and wasn't in the scouts.
The only thing I can add from my little corner way the hell over here is:
If my 7 year old niece came up to me and asked, "Uncle Robert, would you teach me how to fish and camp out?"
Yes I will. Can she pay attention and keep up? We will see.
Over the years and out of everyone I've ever brought along with me, I may have had to go about teaching them differently, but the end result is the same. The end product is a better person.
Young Javier, a half Spanish kid that grew up fatherless used to go with me. This kid was a sponge for any bit of knowledge I could throw him and used it to further his advancement into the world of responsible adulthood. It got to a point where even in a crowd of his biological family, if I were to walk into the room, he would smile from ear to ear and proclaim "that's my real dad" as he pointed in my direction. I could've melted. I did something that no one else in his life could do at that point.
There's plenty of other examples I could share (and steadily climbing) from teaching basic outdoor skills to friends children, even to full grown adults. The end result is all that matters. Better people.
A teacher works hand in hand with God.

I forgot what we were even talking about.

Oh, wanna make the world a better place? Go do it. That power is in our hands now.
 
UTfball68 said:
And what I'm asking and no one has been able to provide, is what is a gender specific developmental need that the boy scouts are providing that isn't applicable to girls??? Which of the below is in the Bible or specifically develops a male???
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It's part of growing up. Don't be dense.
 
Infamous1 said:
Haha They gon be pissed when the girls come in and raise the bar!! Can boys be in the girl scouts? We have been looking for a troop for my daughter and none of the local GS troops camp or hike or any outdoors stuff at all really. Emma expressed no interest at all in it, the boys were all doing knots and navigation skills and thats where she wanted to be. Tried to get her to shave her head and start chewin backer so she would sneak in but she refused.
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Try to find an American Heritage Girls troop. Our daughters are in it and my wife is a leader. A large part of their badges they earn are based on the Boy Scouts badges. They go camping several times a year, and hiking more than that. A couple years ago I taught the troop their fishing badge. They tied the knots, baited the hooks, and caught fish. This year I'll teach them their engineering badge. They have to earn their way to carrying a pocket knife on a hike or camping trip. They learn how to start campfires and cook.
Prior to joining AHG, they did GSA, but the Girl Scouts was all about selling cookies.
 
XJsavage said:
Solid reading material here that's kept me occupied for the last hour.
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So I don't have kids and wasn't in the scouts.
The only thing I can add from my little corner way the hell over here is:
If my 7 year old niece came up to me and asked, "Uncle Robert, would you teach me how to fish and camp out?"
Yes I will. Can she pay attention and keep up? We will see.
Over the years and out of everyone I've ever brought along with me, I may have had to go about teaching them differently, but the end result is the same. The end product is a better person.
Young Javier, a half Spanish kid that grew up fatherless used to go with me. This kid was a sponge for any bit of knowledge I could throw him and used it to further his advancement into the world of responsible adulthood. It got to a point where even in a crowd of his biological family, if I were to walk into the room, he would smile from ear to ear and proclaim "that's my real dad" as he pointed in my direction. I could've melted. I did something that no one else in his life could do at that point.
There's plenty of other examples I could share (and steadily climbing) from teaching basic outdoor skills to friends children, even to full grown adults. The end result is all that matters. Better people.
A teacher works hand in hand with God.

I forgot what we were even talking about.

Oh, wanna make the world a better place? Go do it. That power is in our hands now.
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Awesome post!
 
shawn said:
Merriam Webster:

hypocrisy: the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

:rolleyes:

Also, can't believe that you're still insisting you're not employing straw men. Are you being willfully dishonest, or do you also not understand what that means?
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Agreed.

UTfball68 said:
You win Shawn...
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No shit. Having your ass handed to you is a part of life.
Deal with that reality for a moment and report back.
 
Paul said:
Agreed.




No shit. Having your ass handed to you is a part of life.
Deal with that reality for a moment and report back.
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Nah...just wasn't going to get in a vocabulary discussion in this thread. Dude sounds like a frickin parrot any time someone doesn't agree with him. Squawk straw man squaaaawk. It's his go to, so I killed it. But if you or him would like to pick apart any falsehoods or dishonesty in my statements, go right ahead.
 
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