common core

Jeff B

Jeff B

Thanos was right
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Location
Lincolnton N.C.
Not sure how the rest of you folks feel about big gooberment telling teachers & school how to teach our kids. I think it's bull shit.


I got this from Freedomworks, Though some of ya'll liberty minded folks would want to attend & voice your concerns. If I could get out to go I would be there..


Top lawmakers are meeting tomorrow to discuss the education takeover known as Common Core.
The Common Core Study Committee is holding a hearing where you can voice your opposition! And if you’re not there, your lawmakers won’t know you oppose this federal takeover of your schools. Show up and tell your state legislators that Common Core must be stopped!
RSVP here.
NCGA Common Core Study Committee Meeting
Tuesday, December 17 at 1:00 PM Eastern
North Carolina General Assembly - 643 Legislative Office Building
16 W. Jones Street
Raleigh, NC 27601​
Over 15 lawmakers may attend. And many of them are unfamiliar with Common Core and what it means for your state. It’s up to you to tell them why the top-down curriculum is wrong for our children and our future!
Together, we can save education in North Carolina.
RSVP and find out more information on the meeting here.
In Liberty,


Whitney Neal
Director of Grassroots, FreedomWorks
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I hate the Common Core. Last year my son loved to do his homework, for some reason. This year, it is like pulling teeth.

The really sad thing is that he thinks he sucks at math now. With the Common Core they need to do the math and then write out how they did it. So like "Mike has four apples and Jenny has three apples, how many apples would Billy have if the both gave him their apples?" Before he would just be like "4+3=7" and be done with it. Now he has to write 4+3=7 and then write out "The answer is seven because Mike had 4 and Jenny had 3, so four plus three equals seven." Or some bull shit like that.

There are two parts (at least in first grade) so the beginning of the week he reads a book. Then every night he has to write a few sentences on a question about that book. On top of that, he has to do the math. He absolutely hates writing, but he grudgingly does it. If we do the math first, he is so sick of writing by the time he gets to the reading it takes FOREVER for him to write the sentences. If we do the reading first, he complains that he hates math. For a kid that loves math, this is definitely hurting him.

Plus, it sucks SO BAD for the parents, it is no longer easy to get him to do his homework. :lol:
 
It's another one of those "It sounded good on paper" things. I like the idea that people are judged across the country by the same set of criterion. Seems to make sense that what Buffy in Boston learns, so should Ted in Tallahassee and Buford from Boise. Kids don't all learn at the same speed, though, which makes it tough to teach when some kids just naturally "get it" and others don't. So far, my 3rd grader has been doing very well (this year has been a HUGE change year for third grade). My Kindergartner is doing well also. I was kind of surprised to head that they were starting testing in kindergarten by the third week, though. I doubt I'd have been able to pass a test on how to properly take your snowboots off by that point, let alone any sort of reading milestones.

This is all new to me since my parents sent me to a Catholic School growing up. They taught the subject matter and did it in a way that you understood the material, were able to build on the knowledge and apply that knowledge to stuff you didn't already know. That's teaching. Not, "Here's what will be on the test... learn this and you will be fine in life."

If I had the patience for it, I'd love to home school my kids, but I have seen some kids that have had ONLY home school and no other interaction and they just can't seem to handle social situations well.
 
the downfall is my son is in kindergarten and I am having a hard time seeing the difference in old and new for that grade.. I have heard of other higher grades not liking it.

One thing I have and not sure if it is common core or wake county is the kids/parent teach conference where the kid leads the conference.. my kid is 6 years old I want to know from the teacher what/where they think he needs help in, not my 6 year old telling me how he is doing. total bullshit way of doing conferences.

I have started to take time off work to volunteer so I can see 1st hand how they teach or don't teach and then I will decide if my son stays in wake county public or not..
 
I have kids in the local elementary school, one 3rd grader and two 2nd graders. My wife has been volunteering at the school since our first kid was in Kindergarten, there was plenty of fawked up shit going on before, but that was nothing compared to what this year has been, the first year Guilford County went to common core. She probably knows about the link originally posted (she's got all sorts of anti-common core 'friends/groups' on her FB page), but I'll let her know anyways. We don't know anyone who has said or agreed that this is a good thing, it baffles us how this is happening. To expand on what Blaze posted, its like some artsy-fartsy liberal arts flunkies wrote the math curriculum...maybe the people who actually knew math opted not to work for the state and got a "real" jobs. We've heard numerous stories locally about parents with kids in school who like math/science, did well in math/science, parents with backgrounds and good jobs related to math/science, and all of a sudden their kids are not scoring well in math this year...something is wrong.
 
NC counties don't have money to pay teachers well enough to get decent people educating our kids (that's the generalized complaint, at least), but they will have to spend untold millions of dollars to implement a new curriculum... it's the math, stupid!
 
One thing I have and not sure if it is common core or wake county is the kids/parent teach conference where the kid leads the conference.. my kid is 6 years old I want to know from the teacher what/where they think he needs help in, not my 6 year old telling me how he is doing. total bullshit way of doing conferences.
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So far, I've been to 4 parent teacher conferences (typically my wife goes to them, since she is an Occupational Therapist and is way more familiar with learning and developmental milestones than I am). I have yet to see one when the student is there. My kindergartner's first one, we both attended and brought our 4 year old son so that we could both hear what she had to say. My 4 year old just sat and played his MobiGo.

I commend you for taking time to go volunteer at school. I may do that once my 4 year old starts in a year and a half. Me and my wife both went on my kindergartner's first field trip to the NC Zoo and we took the 4 year old as well. It was so amazing that he went and sat with the school kids and was actually better behaved than just about all of them. He listened to the presentation (which was rough enough for ME to pay attention to!) and was telling us all about bats, owls, bees and all other kinds of stuff he learned on the way home.
 
I read through some of the standards for the math. Seems to me that the kids will have to have pretty good reading comprehension to be able to attempt the math now. But if you read the prologue it plainly states that the math course will focus mainly on numeric teaching. How the hell does this make since?
 
ManglerYJ said:
So far, I've been to 4 parent teacher conferences (typically my wife goes to them, since she is an Occupational Therapist and is way more familiar with learning and developmental milestones than I am). I have yet to see one when the student is there. My kindergartner's first one, we both attended and brought our 4 year old son so that we could both hear what she had to say. My 4 year old just sat and played his MobiGo.
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Same here, and we are in Wake County too. Both years we met with the teacher only, and she told us everything they are doing and how our son was doing and all. It was very helpful. A conference the way Ken is having it done sounds useless.
 
To expand on what Blaze posted, its like some artsy-fartsy liberal arts flunkies wrote the math curriculum...maybe the people who actually knew math opted not to work for the state and got a "real" jobs
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I couldn't agree more, from what I've seen out of it with a 4th and 8th grader is that pretty much everything math wise is out of order-there's very little progression in moving from one operation to the next higher level. My own $.02- the common core has displaced the teaching of decimals heavily and replaced it with even more fractions... I guess it's great if you plan on baking cakes for a living, but wouldn't be worth much to someone wanting to be an engineer(my apologies to the pastry industry)
 
My own $.02- the common core has displaced the teaching of decimals heavily and replaced it with even more fractions... I guess it's great if you plan on baking cakes for a living, but wouldn't be worth much to someone wanting to be an engineer(my apologies to the pastry industry)
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Ever seen an SAE socket set? That's how my dad taught me fractions. And he was an engineer.

What scares me more is that they have gotten kids away from thinking. My 22 year old step-daughter texted me the other day with a cell phone snapshot of a test she was required to take for something at work. The fact that she had to ask for help scared me.

Here is one of the questions:

Divide: 36.14 / 6.95

a. 52
b. 0.0052
c. 5.2
d. 530

Since it was a multiple answer test and the answers are WAY different from one another, all it takes is a simple rounding to get a close answer in your head and know which to choose from. It was lost on her. What was more amazing was that she was able to snap a picture of it and text it to me, but couldn't figure out how to operate the calculator on her phone to figure out the answer since she couldn't do it in her head. With her being a product of the pre-common-core education system, I'll take my chances with Common Core.
 
Mangler, how much do you use your SAE socket set on anything automotive built in the last 15 years? It's now a competitive WORLD market, and the rest of the world uses exclusively metric in fasteners, measurement and machining.

That being said, I agree with the opinion that kids need to be involved in the thought process more so.
 
Mangler, how much do you use your SAE socket set on anything automotive built in the last 15 years? It's now a competitive WORLD market, and the rest of the world uses exclusively metric in fasteners, measurement and machining.
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Touché..

A guy can dream, can't he? :)
 
I seem to have heard recently that some of the schoolbooks produced for CC have some slanted idealogy similar to indoctrination to liberalism/socialism and tolerance of big brother. Anyone else heard or know anything about that?
 
mommucked said:
I seem to have heard recently that some of the schoolbooks produced for CC have some slanted idealogy similar to indoctrination to liberalism/socialism and tolerance of big brother. Anyone else heard or know anything about that?
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ding, ding, ding=winner!

I didn't bring that up because I didn't want this going political & ending up in the garage. I would love this thread hit on every time somebody googles
"common core"..
 
13bullets said:
Yep. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/1...sneaking-politics-into-elementary-classrooms/

Just google socialism in common core, or liberalism in common core.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/educ...e-examples-of-agenda-in-class-assignments.ece
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I'm pretty sure I don't want to google that tonight, it would probly raise my bloodpressure and give me heartburn. I was hopeing it was an isolated inept bookmaker, not the authors or the ones

in charge

I'll check that out the next time I have a good day :cool:
 
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holy shit Ken, that is exactly the crap my kid's doing in 3rd grade. They are not pounding multliplication facts into their heads like when we were young. I remember teacher with flash cards going around the room, we were expected to remember our single digit multiplication tables. I guess with calculators, we don't need that skill :eek:. So now they are trying to do multiplication of 2 digit numbers, and they are drawing fawking circles with hash marks or dots in them, lots of cirlces and dots. Division is even worse; since they don't know their single digit multiplication facts, there's no way they can divide without drawing circles or counting on their fingers. To add insult to injury, the kids who do know their math facts, fail the tests because they didn't properly draw the circles and hash marks, I guess that was the point of that video.
 
Ever notice How the fast food [& others] order takers, are just like computers? You place your order, & tell them it's "To Go". Then they ask you if it is "to go". They Don't listen to anything your saying,they just punch buttons, & quote their script!
I "dinned in" today at Wendy's, & my order was $7.13. I handed the "Teenage" girl, a $20, & said, "I have the change". As I was handing her the 13 cents, She had already punched in the $20. [THEY DON'T LISTEN] Then she stuttered,What do I Do?
Maybe I should have told her to give me $23, but I said, "you owe me $13". She Gladly, handed me the money! S--t just Amazes me!:shaking:
 
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