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History lesson, the NC state flag you display as your avatar, was changed specifically to resemble the CSA flag after NC's secession.
Confederate Flag.... what's it mean to you?
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History lesson, the NC state flag you display as your avatar, was changed specifically to resemble the CSA flag after NC's secession.
EdJonesJeeper
The Stig's NC cousin
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The NC flag represents my home. When raised it doesn't insight racism, bigotry or hate.
When flown in a truck bed it doesn't create anger.
When flown at a home it doesn't antagonize neighbors.
You can be proud of you home and your heritage without laying hate at the feet of your aggressors.
YotaOnRocks
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Same way people feel about their confederate flags.
ponykilr
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Brother, you cannot live life worried what others falsely believe and modify your behavior to suit their ideas (unless to be seen as harmless to some end/result).
To do so is cowardice and disrespects the patriots who died under that banner. I agree with all my heart that slavery was wrong and I think it is a stain on our history, but it was a stain on both sides of that conflict. That banner has been demonized to suit the agenda of a tireless minority political power who would erase all remnants of the history of a proud people. If you want to fly an NC flag, make it this one.
The NC Republic Flag
“A brave people may, for a time, be overpowered by brute force, and be neither dishonored nor destroyed. Its life is not in the outward organization of its institutions. It may be stripped of these and clothe itself in some diverse garb, in which it may resume its growth. But if the spirit of independence and honor be lost among the people, this is the death of the common weal: a death on which there waits no resurrection. Dread, then, this degradation of spirit as worse than defeat, than subjugation, than poverty, than hardship, than prison, than death.”—Rev. Robert Lewis Dabney, 1869
ponykilr
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More evidence that this is part of a war on white culture and heritage. I saw this this morning, as I already realize anything "white" is wrong while any other culture is celebrated.
I can appreciate other cultures. I enjoy learning about the world, why can't my own culture be celebrated? Because when whitey is finally defeated, the world will be right....just ask people who live in Zimbabwe, former Rhodesia. It went from a well tended nation of farms and plenty to another African hell hole in less than a decade after whitey was exterminated.
Guys it is not wrong to love your people and your history. It doesn't destroy or disrespect other cultures to proudly display and promote your own.
Make no mistake, it is a war against white people and most especially white men.
The Author
Justin J. Moritz is my real name. I am a retired law enforcement officer and have served as a city police officer, a county deputy, a state special agent, and a training director. I hold Associate, Bachelor’s, and Master’s degrees from three Minnesota colleges.
If you are looking for more evidence that the United States government is biased against white people, you can add their decision in my trademark case. In February, 2004, I applied for a trademark on the words “White Pride Country Wide.” I did it as an exercise against political correctness. I intentionally did not choose “white power,” “white supremacy” or “the white race” because of the negative connotations of those terms. Trademarks can be denied to offensive phrases.
When I later searched United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) records, I found that “Black Power,” “Black Supremacy,” and “La Raza” (Spanish for “The Race”) had all been approved by the USPTO and been found not to be offensive. The USPTO had also approved and registered “The Black Panther Party” and “Burn, Baby, Burn,” the party’s slogan. The Black Panthers had assassinated white police officers but neither term was found to be offensive or immoral. To me, “white pride” was a non-offensive, positive term, or at least I thought so.
On December 23, 2004, I received my Christmas present from the USPTO. In an Office Action prepared by Barbara Rutland, it denied my trademark, ruling that the “white pride” part of my request was “offensive,” “immoral,” and “scandalous.” Here are her very words:
“Section 2(a) Refusal
“Registration is refused because the proposed mark consists of or comprises immoral or scandalous matter. Trademark Act Section 2(a) U.S.C. 1052(a); TMEP 1203.01. According to the attached evidence from a Lexis/Nexis database and a search of the Internet using the search engine www.google.com, the “WHITE PRIDE” element of the proposed mark is considered offensive and therefore scandalous.”
My Appeal
On January 1, 2005, I decided to appeal the USPTO decision, but not before doing some research. I found that that the following “pride” terms have all been registered as trademarks by the U.S Government:
“African Pride,” “African Man Pride,” “Asian Pride,” “Bahama Pride,” “Black Pride,” “Brazilian Pride,” “China-Pride,” “Chippewa Pride,” “Choctaw Pride,” “Colombian Pride,” “Cuban Pride,” “Dakota Pride,” “Dominican Pride,” “El Salvador Pride,” “Ecuador Pride,” “Gay Pride Apparel,” “Guyanese Pride,” “Havana Pride,” “Honduran Pride,” “Indian Pride,” “Jamaica’s Pride,” “Jewish Pride,” “Kwanzaa Pride,” “Long Beach Lesbian and Gay Pride,” “Mayan Pride,” “Mexican Pride,” “Native Pride!,” “Nicaraguan Pride,” “Orgullo Hispano” (Hispanic Pride), “Orgoglio” (Hispanic—’Great Pride’ (supremacy?)), “Qisqueya Pride” (Dominican Republic Pride), “Rainbow Pride Coach,” “Red Pride,” “San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride,” “Spanish Pride,” and “West Indian Pride.”
The factual evidence for my appeal was overwhelming, or at least I thought so. It seemed as though the federal government wanted everybody to have pride, except white people. It seemed to be a clear case of discrimination.
USPTO denies appeal
In February 2005, the USPTO issued their “FINAL OFFICE ACTION.” It was again prepared by Barbara Rutland. The USPTO upheld its original denial, explaining:
“. . . prior decisions and actions of other trademark examining attorneys in registering different marks are without evidentiary value (emphasis added) and are not binding upon the Office.”
In plain English, the USPTO was saying that their own records cannot be used against it. Imagine a taxpayer being audited by the IRS. Could he sit back and say, “Go ahead, audit me, but you can’t use my records against me”?
I lost my $1,300 non-refundable trademark application fee.
ACLU denies assistance and adds insult
My next step was to seek outside help from the Minnesota branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). I sent a brief letter to the ACLU-MN summarizing my case and asking if they were interested. They initially said they were willing to review the case, so I sent them pages of documentation. I thought I might have a chance since the ACLU prides itself on defending the rights of the little guy. I am white, male, heterosexual, married, employed, native born, English speaking, Christian-valued, have no criminal record, and am a retired law enforcement officer. I could be the perfect “token” case outside their mainstream clientele, or at least I thought so.
In March 2005, the ACLU not only turned my case down but took the opportunity to slam white people and Christians. Renee Hamilton, legal assistant for the ACLU-MN, wrote:
“Thus, when the PTO examined Moritz’s mark, their rejection of his mark was reasonable given that such a slogan has just but one meaning i.e. superiority of what he term (sic) ‘the white race’ over all other races and their brand of Christianity over the other religions.”
The ACLU was fully aware of all the other “pride” trademarks I had listed in my documents. If a “pride” trademark had been turned down for any group of people, other than whites, the ACLU would be in court screaming “Discrimination by the United States Government!”
Center for Individual Rights (CIR) provides assistance
My next step was to seek help from the Center for Individual Rights. They are the conservative response to the ACLU. They are political opposites but much smaller than the ACLU. I corresponded with the CIR through mail, email, and telephone conversations. In June 2005, the CIR politely and professionally declined my request for help, but because of monetary, not ideological considerations.
The CIR did help by putting my case on the Federalist website, a conservative site where attorneys can take pro bono cases. As of August 2005, I had not received any responses.
Shawn, I realize some may think me some kind of KKK sheet wearing monster. I offer that the best parts of my life have been spent helping races other than my own on missions around the world and an after school program I founded and ran for at risk kids which changed many lives.
I can appreciate other cultures. I enjoy learning about the world, why can't my own culture be celebrated? Because when whitey is finally defeated, the world will be right....just ask people who live in Zimbabwe, former Rhodesia. It went from a well tended nation of farms and plenty to another African hell hole in less than a decade after whitey was exterminated.
Guys it is not wrong to love your people and your history. It doesn't destroy or disrespect other cultures to proudly display and promote your own.
Make no mistake, it is a war against white people and most especially white men.
The Author
Justin J. Moritz is my real name. I am a retired law enforcement officer and have served as a city police officer, a county deputy, a state special agent, and a training director. I hold Associate, Bachelor’s, and Master’s degrees from three Minnesota colleges.
If you are looking for more evidence that the United States government is biased against white people, you can add their decision in my trademark case. In February, 2004, I applied for a trademark on the words “White Pride Country Wide.” I did it as an exercise against political correctness. I intentionally did not choose “white power,” “white supremacy” or “the white race” because of the negative connotations of those terms. Trademarks can be denied to offensive phrases.
When I later searched United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) records, I found that “Black Power,” “Black Supremacy,” and “La Raza” (Spanish for “The Race”) had all been approved by the USPTO and been found not to be offensive. The USPTO had also approved and registered “The Black Panther Party” and “Burn, Baby, Burn,” the party’s slogan. The Black Panthers had assassinated white police officers but neither term was found to be offensive or immoral. To me, “white pride” was a non-offensive, positive term, or at least I thought so.
On December 23, 2004, I received my Christmas present from the USPTO. In an Office Action prepared by Barbara Rutland, it denied my trademark, ruling that the “white pride” part of my request was “offensive,” “immoral,” and “scandalous.” Here are her very words:
“Section 2(a) Refusal
“Registration is refused because the proposed mark consists of or comprises immoral or scandalous matter. Trademark Act Section 2(a) U.S.C. 1052(a); TMEP 1203.01. According to the attached evidence from a Lexis/Nexis database and a search of the Internet using the search engine www.google.com, the “WHITE PRIDE” element of the proposed mark is considered offensive and therefore scandalous.”
My Appeal
On January 1, 2005, I decided to appeal the USPTO decision, but not before doing some research. I found that that the following “pride” terms have all been registered as trademarks by the U.S Government:
“African Pride,” “African Man Pride,” “Asian Pride,” “Bahama Pride,” “Black Pride,” “Brazilian Pride,” “China-Pride,” “Chippewa Pride,” “Choctaw Pride,” “Colombian Pride,” “Cuban Pride,” “Dakota Pride,” “Dominican Pride,” “El Salvador Pride,” “Ecuador Pride,” “Gay Pride Apparel,” “Guyanese Pride,” “Havana Pride,” “Honduran Pride,” “Indian Pride,” “Jamaica’s Pride,” “Jewish Pride,” “Kwanzaa Pride,” “Long Beach Lesbian and Gay Pride,” “Mayan Pride,” “Mexican Pride,” “Native Pride!,” “Nicaraguan Pride,” “Orgullo Hispano” (Hispanic Pride), “Orgoglio” (Hispanic—’Great Pride’ (supremacy?)), “Qisqueya Pride” (Dominican Republic Pride), “Rainbow Pride Coach,” “Red Pride,” “San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride,” “Spanish Pride,” and “West Indian Pride.”
The factual evidence for my appeal was overwhelming, or at least I thought so. It seemed as though the federal government wanted everybody to have pride, except white people. It seemed to be a clear case of discrimination.
USPTO denies appeal
In February 2005, the USPTO issued their “FINAL OFFICE ACTION.” It was again prepared by Barbara Rutland. The USPTO upheld its original denial, explaining:
“. . . prior decisions and actions of other trademark examining attorneys in registering different marks are without evidentiary value (emphasis added) and are not binding upon the Office.”
In plain English, the USPTO was saying that their own records cannot be used against it. Imagine a taxpayer being audited by the IRS. Could he sit back and say, “Go ahead, audit me, but you can’t use my records against me”?
I lost my $1,300 non-refundable trademark application fee.
ACLU denies assistance and adds insult
My next step was to seek outside help from the Minnesota branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). I sent a brief letter to the ACLU-MN summarizing my case and asking if they were interested. They initially said they were willing to review the case, so I sent them pages of documentation. I thought I might have a chance since the ACLU prides itself on defending the rights of the little guy. I am white, male, heterosexual, married, employed, native born, English speaking, Christian-valued, have no criminal record, and am a retired law enforcement officer. I could be the perfect “token” case outside their mainstream clientele, or at least I thought so.
In March 2005, the ACLU not only turned my case down but took the opportunity to slam white people and Christians. Renee Hamilton, legal assistant for the ACLU-MN, wrote:
“Thus, when the PTO examined Moritz’s mark, their rejection of his mark was reasonable given that such a slogan has just but one meaning i.e. superiority of what he term (sic) ‘the white race’ over all other races and their brand of Christianity over the other religions.”
The ACLU was fully aware of all the other “pride” trademarks I had listed in my documents. If a “pride” trademark had been turned down for any group of people, other than whites, the ACLU would be in court screaming “Discrimination by the United States Government!”
Center for Individual Rights (CIR) provides assistance
My next step was to seek help from the Center for Individual Rights. They are the conservative response to the ACLU. They are political opposites but much smaller than the ACLU. I corresponded with the CIR through mail, email, and telephone conversations. In June 2005, the CIR politely and professionally declined my request for help, but because of monetary, not ideological considerations.
The CIR did help by putting my case on the Federalist website, a conservative site where attorneys can take pro bono cases. As of August 2005, I had not received any responses.
Shawn, I realize some may think me some kind of KKK sheet wearing monster. I offer that the best parts of my life have been spent helping races other than my own on missions around the world and an after school program I founded and ran for at risk kids which changed many lives.
drkelly
Dipstick who put two vehicles on jack stands
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mommucked
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1980CJ7
If it don't go, chrome it
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What's the country coming to when a girl (like above) can't go out and find a nice Stars n Bars bikini anymore?
This place is goin' to hell in a hand basket!
This place is goin' to hell in a hand basket!
Subzilla
Test Driver
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Interesting....go to Google and type in Confederate flag and hit "shopping"
Jeff B
Thanos was right
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F google. I'm tired of their invasive crap anyway, so the least I can do is change my default search engine...
Any recommendations?
Riddle
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Riddle
Armed Infidel
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bonnie blue is still on google
hadfield4wd
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Nothing but a second place trophy. Doesn't mean anything!.....
...said the Yankee.
...said the Yankee.
6BangBronk
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My High School Mascot that I graduated at. Sullivan South home of the Rebels. Only in TN... They are under the gun once again to change their mascot.
There's not an electronic copy available (unless I scan my yearbook) but our senior class photo was in front of a giant Confederate flag. Half the yearbook had the flag somewhere. Very common to see them flying during home games. They use them as props for the marching band.
There's not an electronic copy available (unless I scan my yearbook) but our senior class photo was in front of a giant Confederate flag. Half the yearbook had the flag somewhere. Very common to see them flying during home games. They use them as props for the marching band.
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ponykilr
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Startpage.com is the world most private search engine. I like duckduckgo too but it leaves a little to be desired.
Pacfanweb
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Same here.
It didn't mean hatred when it was invented. Just because some racist a-holes used it years later shouldn't mean it has to be banned.
Blacks weren't slaves because white people hated them. It's just how things were back then. Their own people were selling them as slaves to the whites.
It was wrong, and eventually the world realized that and stopped doing it. Hell, the British had slaves and were huge traffickers of slaves when it was legal. I don't see anyone wanting their flag done away with.
I have ancestors that fought in the Civil War. Pretty sure they didn't fight to preserve slavery, because they didn't own any. Likely they fought because their homeland was being invaded. Just like most of the German army wasn't fighting so they could keep killing Jews. It was what you did when there was a war. That simple.
Pacfanweb
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Yep, slavery was absolutely a HUGE reason for the secession and ultimately, the war. It wasn't the only reason, but it was a big one.
I used to be of the opinion that slavery wasn't the reason, mainly because lots of people said it...but I did some fairly in-depth research a few years back (although I'm sure not as much as you did for school) and I was actually LOOKING for proof that it wasn't about slavery, or that wasn't a primary reason.
That's not what I found, though. It WAS about slavery. "State's rights"? Sure, and one of the big sticking points was slavery.
Now, were the yankees just as guilty of slavery? Sure. Abe only even changed his stance not long before the action started. But they did abolish slavery, whether most northerners agreed with that or not. And to this day, there's as much racism in the north as they think there is in the South. Might be a little more clandestine, but it's there. I can take you to many places around Pittsburgh that you will NOT be allowed to enter if you're black. (wife is from there, that's how I know. I've seen it, personally)
Regardless, the flag wasn't EVER about "hatred". As I posted previously, blacks weren't slaves because of hate. That's just the way it was. We figured it out and changed. The flag was about the South. Slavery was only one thing. Once it was gone, all the rest remained, and that's what the flag remained for. The South was treated VERY poorly after the war. VERY, VERY poorly. Criminally, in fact. The flag was a symbol of defiance to what the north did to us.
I would agree...the place for it probably isn't flying over a US or state gov't building. Museum? Memorial? Someone's home/vehicle? Sure. That's the place for it. But the faux outrage over it today? What a load of B.S.
6BangBronk
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My home town over the weekend... Even brought Elvis up from Jamaica I see...
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Can't they do that in the right lane?
Granny
One day at a time...
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XJsavage
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The flag is officially down!
I just rode through downtown Columbia about an hour ago since the state House is only a few miles from where I live. So far so good and there is one humongous turnout! Helicopters overhead, news crews by the hundreds.
I'm proud of my fellow South Carolinians for letting this go as smoothly as it has.
I just rode through downtown Columbia about an hour ago since the state House is only a few miles from where I live. So far so good and there is one humongous turnout! Helicopters overhead, news crews by the hundreds.
I'm proud of my fellow South Carolinians for letting this go as smoothly as it has.
YotaOnRocks
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So when does the rioting, looting, and burning of the town commence? Ooh wait the people that support the flag aren't criminals are they.
Bogleparsons
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Shouldn't we be celebrating the end of racism.
I mean the flag was obviously the root cause of racism so......
I mean the flag was obviously the root cause of racism so......
