Devils playground?

I have read them multiple times this past year, the safety rules are higher requirement but nothing that would break the bank. And really is safety that bad of a thing to spend money on?

Not when you have the opportunity to win back some of that money

I'd give anything to have a local race series again. But unless it's a low buck entry sort of thing, it won't happen.
The investment to insure, procure land to use, environmental needs and perhaps most importantly, time to manage it, is overwhelming.
 
So I know we will never get the racing going but the next best thing is actually wheeling. I mean those of us that remember that weekend at windrock when the race was cancelled can attest to how fun that was. I would be up for planning a get together if you guys would come
 
You talking about Crews or me? :D

But yeah, I remember that guy. I thought it was terribly awful when he ripped his front end off.


I don't remember meeting him. I just remember him driving around a tree through the caution tape to get around me at full throttle on one of the rock climbs at the flats, slung rocks all over me, was actually very dangerous. I backed up and let him do his thing before I proceeded.

I proceeded to break a rear axle shaft----and win the race. Just as well he broke, he'd have been pissed off after I red carded him for running through the tape, seems someone got it on video too. That was the only 1st place finish for the Honda buggy. Finished 2-3 laps of a 10 lap race and still won, that was a rough course.
 
Never made it to any races. The first ride I went to blew me away as all I had been to before was URE in my baby XJ. I too hit a tree there :D

I miss the layout. It was nice to ride some. Park then walk to the large rocks and watch, what was then massive buggies to me, play around. I’d be fucking stoked to relive those memories again.


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It seemed like ECORS started out with a HUGE amount of enthusiasm, peaked maybe 3-4 years in, then faded the last couple of years. I seem to remember several people getting burned out and just wanting to get back to trail riding. I remember going to look at @RenegadeT first 666 A class XJ during our lunch break at work, LOL. I think he paid $500-800 for it, welded the rear, bought some used 33" MT's, a budget boost for the front and an add-a-leaf for the rear.

It would be cool to see a smaller version of ECORS run just within 200 miles of central NC like Stuntman suggested with 3-4 races/yr, DPG, Flats, ??? I would definitely show up and pay to spectate as I did at several of the old ECORS races.
 
It seemed like ECORS started out with a HUGE amount of enthusiasm, peaked maybe 3-4 years in, then faded the last couple of years. I seem to remember several people getting burned out and just wanting to get back to trail riding. I remember going to look at @RenegadeT first 666 A class XJ during our lunch break at work, LOL. I think he paid $500-800 for it, welded the rear, bought some used 33" MT's, a budget boost for the front and an add-a-leaf for the rear.

It would be cool to see a smaller version of ECORS run just within 200 miles of central NC like Stuntman suggested with 3-4 races/yr, DPG, Flats, ??? I would definitely show up and pay to spectate as I did at several of the old ECORS races.
People started becoming uninterested because the series slowly moved further and further out and alot of races. Keep it close and 3 or 4 races for the year and have it only take one day, it would be packed each time and keep at the same tracks.
 
You’d think the platform that social media provides could prop up ECORS pretty darn well. Better exposure than before.

Could add a single UTV race to help draw in more people? (Possibly more harm than good on that suggestion?)


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Safety and insurance kill that. Almost need a street racer model, non sanctioned, every racer ponies up cash and have an understanding on the rules.
 
Safety and insurance kill that. Almost need a street racer model, non sanctioned, every racer ponies up cash and have an understanding on the rules.
Safety and insurance go with anything. If a local oval track can do it or WEROCK, dirt riot, SRRS or ULTRA4 can figure out a way to afford insurance and safety than someone here could as well.
 
It seemed like ECORS started out with a HUGE amount of enthusiasm, peaked maybe 3-4 years in, then faded the last couple of years. I seem to remember several people getting burned out and just wanting to get back to trail riding. I remember going to look at @RenegadeT first 666 A class XJ during our lunch break at work, LOL. I think he paid $500-800 for it, welded the rear, bought some used 33" MT's, a budget boost for the front and an add-a-leaf for the rear.

It would be cool to see a smaller version of ECORS run just within 200 miles of central NC like Stuntman suggested with 3-4 races/yr, DPG, Flats, ??? I would definitely show up and pay to spectate as I did at several of the old ECORS races.

People started becoming uninterested because the series slowly moved further and further out and alot of races. Keep it close and 3 or 4 races for the year and have it only take one day, it would be packed each time and keep at the same tracks.

There is a bit of a chicken or egg conversation to be had there.
Now everything I am about to say ignores the last 1.5 seasons ran by Travis and Megan. Not intended as a knock on them at all, just that I wasnt involved in their decision making process so I cant comment.

But the move west was because participation and attendance were dieing. When we went to Bama in Season 3....at the time it was the largest event ECORS had held to that point both in terms of competitors and spectators.
We dangled the carrot to a whole group and picked up several new competitors who then traveled back to the Carolinas and competed.

But there was a cost as we lost 2 full time NC racers following that move. Maybe a few others didnt evnter single events they previously might have but we lost (only) 2 full time guys who blamed increased travel as the reason.

Despite the way things appeared at times, Rob and I are both pretty organized business savvy dudes. Locations were data driven. We had web mapping showing us where people were visiting the page from etc. It was a calculated move. We had to do something because attendance and participation was declining in our home market. The push west breathed life into the series. Then it became vogue to say "I quit because they were leaving their roots".

btw UTV was part of the last 2 seasons at least of ECORS..and frankly there was serious conversation to taking the series UTV only following 2013. The money was there from sponsors, the racers were there, the classes and tech were easier, the courses were easier to find...and candidly UTV guys complained a LOT less about course design...once we figured out what UTV riders wanted to race. The first two races UTV riders hated because we built rock races for UTVs and we destoryed a lot of equipment. But they gave measurable actionable feedback. It was unanimous...UTVs wanted speed and jumps and less rocks.

Anyway....about 18 months ago I got a wild hair up my ass and started brain storming. I came close to trying to pull something back together...specifically a 4 race series in NC...2 races each at 2 parks...maybe a finale at a major venue. Even had a meeting and got numbers from the dirt track at Charlotte motor speedway...but ultimately, and no one wants to hear this, ECORS was some of the funnest memories of my life. It was also the hardest Ive ever worked for the least amount of money...and the most Ive ever been bitched at.

It's fun to look back at the good times through the clouded lens of nostalgia...but its a soul sucking experience to sit down Saturday night at 10pm...not having even laid down to sleep since Thursday morning. Looking at the books and realizing you just lost $7,000 in a weekend and then having someone come up and cuss you, or want to fight you or tell you how you are doing it all wrong. Then look over and see your kids who youve ignored all weekend and they feel neglected....and you start to wonder what you are doing it all for. Its what pulled me away and I think its what pulled Rob away a year later as I understand it.
 
Safety and insurance go with anything. If a local oval track can do it or WEROCK, dirt riot, SRRS or ULTRA4 can figure out a way to afford insurance and safety than someone here could as well.


ECORS had insurance for each race. But we had seasoned racers that passed tech inspection. SRRS, Ultra4, etc are the same.

Our challenge was the racer that showed up that never raced before. As far as underwriters were concerned, they were the biggest liability. Having multiple racers like that really can cause insurance rates to skyrocket. That’s one reason the one-time race entrant fees were more $ than regular entrants that were “members”.

By all means, it can be done. It’s not hard, just time consuming and it costs $$$. If someone decides to do a race or two, I’d be happy to put you in touch with the company that we used.
 
Ron is spot on. I really enjoyed the racing and the relationships built. When ECORS started, I didn’t have kids and as the seasons passed, I had twins and they started growing up and my work forced me out of town more. Couple that with traveling with ECORS and the family needing more support from me, the decision to pass the torch was a no-brainer.
 
Safety and insurance go with anything. If a local oval track can do it or WEROCK, dirt riot, SRRS or ULTRA4 can figure out a way to afford insurance and safety than someone here could as well.

I'm not going to cast stones...but Ill say this.
1 or 2 of those mentioned never had insurance...lied to the park/land owners, forged documents and caused headaches.

Another component SRRS and local oval track have that we didnt is very simple course set up. The oval track its all there and SRRS is a straight line.
Ultra4 has crossed the threshold and has the financial resources to hire and subcontract a staff. It would shock folks how much time went into course design and construction and again it was never what we wanted it to be.

Look ECORS failed. I havent made a habit of failing in my life, so yeah Im still a little defensive about it.

It *could* work. But to work it wouldnt have the same feel it had before. It would require personnel.

I think the model that would be required is a partnership between the sanctioning body (ECORS) and the venue. It is 100% the venue's responsibility to prepare the course to the sanctioning body's liking and standards. The sanctioning body organizes the event and race day ops but the ops are staffed by the venue.

All revenue is shared.

Its how NASCAR is structured, its why it worked. To float though it requires sponsorship dollars...or MUCH larger gates than we ever saw.
 
I'll say one final thing.
If you read between the lines between Rob and my posts..when discussing other series, you will see what name is never referenced. We decided long ago never to compete by bashing the competition.,,and mama always said if you cant say something nice...

Well Ill let you guys finish that one.
 
For the record I totally understand why you guys aren’t doing it anymore. It makes perfect sense to me and it’s admirable that you gave it up to focus on the family.

Running something like that would take a lot and I don’t see it happening again unless some private independently wealthy person with no career or young family wants to head that up and employ and subcontract several people.

I don’t see why y’all could t accomplish a similar “feel” by getting together 1-3 times a year for an annual “meet n wheel” event or something. Get everyone together for a long weekend in Harlan, the flats, Windrock or whatever. Just hang out and wheel.
 
For the record I totally understand why you guys aren’t doing it anymore. It makes perfect sense to me and it’s admirable that you gave it up to focus on the family.

Running something like that would take a lot and I don’t see it happening again unless some private independently wealthy person with no career or young family wants to head that up and employ and subcontract several people.

I don’t see why y’all could t accomplish a similar “feel” by getting together 1-3 times a year for an annual “meet n wheel” event or something. Get everyone together for a long weekend in Harlan, the flats, Windrock or whatever. Just hang out and wheel.

THIS Totally THIS. I want to first say thankyou so much to Ron and Rob. My hats are off to you two, you gave up so much in your life and family for all of us to come and have fun and I don't think you get the appreciation you should! We all seem like were up for some sort of reunion maybe we can start a poll in a new thread to pick a date and Venue.
 
THIS Totally THIS. I want to first say thankyou so much to Ron and Rob. My hats are off to you two, you gave up so much in your life and family for all of us to come and have fun and I don't think you get the appreciation you should! We all seem like were up for some sort of reunion maybe we can start a poll in a new thread to pick a date and Venue.

I started this conversation a year ago with jason at the flats. At the time he was totally on board. I just didnt have the time to pull it together.
If you wanna run with it....
 
If you wanna run with it....

That's why you never complain to the preacher about something that SHOULD be getting done in the church....because he'll appoint you the chairman of the committee :lol:
 
I was not saying that Rob and Ron did anything wrong by stepping away I had actually known why for a long time. All my comments were meant as it would take the right individual in the right poin of their lives to be able to have the time to do it.
 
Look ECORS failed. I havent made a habit of failing in my life, so yeah Im still a little defensive about it.

I never thought of ECORS as a failure and honestly am surprised to hear you state that. As a random spectator of about 6 races over the first few seasons, I thought it was a GREAT success. I was always amazed at how you and Rob were able to pull it off with families and working full time jobs.
 
I never thought of ECORS as a failure and honestly am surprised to hear you state that. As a random spectator of about 6 races over the first few seasons, I thought it was a GREAT success. I was always amazed at how you and Rob were able to pull it off with families and working full time jobs.

Yeah I agree. I never thought of it as a failure when it stopped. It had its time and ran its course, and life happens.
 
I never thought of ECORS as a failure and honestly am surprised to hear you state that. As a random spectator of about 6 races over the first few seasons, I thought it was a GREAT success. I was always amazed at how you and Rob were able to pull it off with families and working full time jobs.
I'll echo this. Riding shotgun in the 666 at Calla..lana.manatee, or whatever, is a cherished memory.

My favorite ECORS memory (as a spectator) is actually from DPG though: At the exit of the trough near the bottom of the field before the WoT to the start finish, someone had decided their truck needed a rest and proceeded to lay it on its side. The gathered crowd immediately crossed the caution tape onto the live race track to assist in righting the car. The group included a pregnant woman, holding an infant in her left hand, and pushing on the roll cage with her right.

It's been too long to remember who it was that flopped, or whether it was even legal for spectators to assist, but that woman is burned in my head.
 
I'll echo this. Riding shotgun in the 666 at Calla..lana.manatee, or whatever, is a cherished memory.

My favorite ECORS memory (as a spectator) is actually from DPG though: At the exit of the trough near the bottom of the field before the WoT to the start finish, someone had decided their truck needed a rest and proceeded to lay it on its side. The gathered crowd immediately crossed the caution tape onto the live race track to assist in righting the car. The group included a pregnant woman, holding an infant in her left hand, and pushing on the roll cage with her right.

It's been too long to remember who it was that flopped, or whether it was even legal for spectators to assist, but that woman is burned in my head.
That sounds a lot like it could have been @trailhugger lol
 
I'll echo this. Riding shotgun in the 666 at Calla..lana.manatee, or whatever, is a cherished memory.

My favorite ECORS memory (as a spectator) is actually from DPG though: At the exit of the trough near the bottom of the field before the WoT to the start finish, someone had decided their truck needed a rest and proceeded to lay it on its side. The gathered crowd immediately crossed the caution tape onto the live race track to assist in righting the car. The group included a pregnant woman, holding an infant in her left hand, and pushing on the roll cage with her right.

It's been too long to remember who it was that flopped, or whether it was even legal for spectators to assist, but that woman is burned in my head.
Among my favorites - and I *think* it was DPG but not sure - was the case where somebody's buggy... maybe @farmboy? had a small trans leak, that would only pop up when on just enough of an angle in this one spot on the rocks in the woods... and it would slide down onto the exhaust and start a small flash fire...
So, somebody figured that the best solution was just to station somebody at the spot w/ a fire extinguisher, and be ready to put it out on every pass when he came through.
Ah, safety at its finest.
 
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