Electric car or truck

Do you plan to buy an electric car of truck?

  • Yes/maybe, within the next year

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Yes/maybe, in about 1-2 yearrs

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Yes/maybe, in about 2-3 years

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • Yes/maybe, in about 3-5 years

    Votes: 3 8.8%

  • Yes/maybe, in about 5-10 years

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • Yes/maybe in 10+ years

    Votes: 5 14.7%

  • NEVER!

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Bring back 2-strokes

    Votes: 8 23.5%
  • Total voters
    34
Ron said:
ehhh capitalism still works.
Gas/diesel/gravity or vac fed/mechanically injected....in 1900 these were all emerging competing tech...eventually gas one and nozzle size got standardized and then regulated.

Ive spent waaaaay too much time thinking about this and trying to figure out how to own/protect/monetize it.
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Agreed. I believe that some standardization on infrastructure will be required if the Gov wants them to take off... Eventually I believe they will, but it is going to take infrastructure change.

I think it might looks similar to this:
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Ron said:
I have an idea...of a battery tray that easily removable and plug and play and universal between manufacturers.
Then traditional gas stations could stock and charge the trays and you could pull in swap and go. Prolly need a high school kid or two to do the swap for old folks...like old school gas station attendants.

Plus it would help the soda and snack industry who fit E vehicles tooth and nail.
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Tesla was originally selling the fact that they would do hot battery swaps at charge stations. But they abandoned the idea.
Tesla's battery-swapping plan has a mere shadow of the promise it once showed
 
Ron said:
I have an idea...of a battery tray that easily removable and plug and play and universal between manufacturers.
Then traditional gas stations could stock and charge the trays and you could pull in swap and go. Prolly need a high school kid or two to do the swap for old folks...like old school gas station attendants.

Plus it would help the soda and snack industry who fit E vehicles tooth and nail.
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Blue Rhino for EVs.
 
I never really gave a rats ass about electric motors until I found myself coaching a robotics team.
Now that i see so many cool thi gs you xan do w 4 (or 3) independent motors, plus the instant toque, I'm an advocate for the tech.
I personally dont give a shit about the environmental difference or the cost savings. Yeah, sure there may be overall energy savings for the world but it isnt massive (yet), so... meh.

But id totally drive an EV if it was fun and torquey, and something good existed in several years when i need another vehicle.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Agreed. I believe that some standardization on infrastructure will be required if the Gov wants them to take off... Eventually I believe they will, but it is going to take infrastructure change.

I think it might looks similar to this:
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That is pretty crazy how quickly things changed. I'm wondering when and how long the electric changeover will be. They are what, less than 1% of vehicles on the road today?
 
So i love the idea of electric vehicles, and hate the pretentious virtue signal that most of the current owners are doing. I thought EVs were gay until i started seeing videos of Tesla model S's obliterating some legitimately fast cars. This sums it up:
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I was a doubter till I rode in a s model p100d with ludacrous mode , absolutely insane power , hardest pulling car I’ve ever rode in and I have had a bunch of fast cars. Zero spinning from dead stop .i was amazed .Down side there still 70k used .
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I keep looking, but they keep being 3 times more expensive than they are worth to me.

Also, having an electric SxS is great. It has helped ease my mind on the whole EV thing and learn some of the pros and cons in the comfort of my front yard. I plan to do a lithium battery conversion in the near future since the wet batteries are getting weak. That will likely lead to some mods for more performance. :D
 
I commute around 150 miles a day in rural eastern NC. The infastructure for EV is non existent out here. I tow heavy often (20k +) and top off my 100 gallon diesel tank every two weeks.

The EV concepts for hauling has its limits I suppose as energy loss through heat rejection becomes a larger concern under constant high load and range drops quickly.

Also for the enviro group, has anyone done the calculations for true energy consumption vs a turbo charged diesel. I would think by time the coal fired power plant burns enough Dino's to create enough steam for the turbine to spin the generator to make high voltage ac power to jam it through the grid that has multiple means to convert that power to consumer level expectations then to finally convert it to dc the "global" efficiency would be considerably less than just burning diesel Dino's and taking the first thermal efficiency hit and rolling down the road. Obviously if you're plugging your ev into 100% renewable energy sources then carry on. Raises the question of how much of our grid is supplied by renewable energy these days anyway?

Nuclear is awesome and I'd drive a hydrogen powered rig too. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge advocate of EV's and hope they are hugely successful, but mostly so I can have everyone's fuel.
 
I always said hell no, unless there was an affordable truck. Then Tesla put out their truck and I almost spewed. Little too futuristic looking to me. Then a coworker showed me (you know, before you'd catch the China plague being less than 6 feet away from someone) a Tesla vs. Rivian video, and I'd have to say....I'm impressed with the Rivian. It's not heinous looking, and it'll 0-60 in 3 seconds. And it's a truck. And go over 400 miles on a charge. And doesn't look to be too retardedly expensive (although still twice what I'd want to pay for a truck, but hey....I thought my current truck was too expensive as it is).
 
Clubbs said:
I commute around 150 miles a day in rural eastern NC. The infastructure for EV is non existent out here. I tow heavy often (20k +) and top off my 100 gallon diesel tank every two weeks.

The EV concepts for hauling has its limits I suppose as energy loss through heat rejection becomes a larger concern under constant high load and range drops quickly.

Also for the enviro group, has anyone done the calculations for true energy consumption vs a turbo charged diesel. I would think by time the coal fired power plant burns enough Dino's to create enough steam for the turbine to spin the generator to make high voltage ac power to jam it through the grid that has multiple means to convert that power to consumer level expectations then to finally convert it to dc the "global" efficiency would be considerably less than just burning diesel Dino's and taking the first thermal efficiency hit and rolling down the road. Obviously if you're plugging your ev into 100% renewable energy sources then carry on. Raises the question of how much of our grid is supplied by renewable energy these days anyway?

Nuclear is awesome and I'd drive a hydrogen powered rig too. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge advocate of EV's and hope they are hugely successful, but mostly so I can have everyone's fuel.
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I was wondering the same thing. From that article that I posted above:

Studies have shown that in the US, Europe, and in China, producing an electric vehicle creates more greenhouse-gas emissions than producing an equivalent gas-powered vehicle.

"The CO2 emissions from making a battery are higher than what you save from not making the engine and transmission,"

A 2015 study from the Union of Concerned Scientists found that manufacturing a midsize electric vehicle would produce about 15% more emissions than the process of building a similar gas-powered vehicle would. For a bigger electric vehicle with a larger battery, that gap could grow to 68% or more, the nonprofit organization found.

Driving an electric vehicle is like driving an equivalent gas-powered car that gets 80 mpg (the average for a gas-powered vehicle was 24.9 mpg for the 2017 model year, the organization found, up from 73 mpg in 2017 because of a decrease in the use of coal and an increase in the use of renewables in US energy grids.

Despite producing more emissions during the production stage, electric vehicles still pollute far less than gas-powered cars over the course of their lifespan.



From a different article I read, apparently 2025 is the year the experts predict an electric car will be equal or less to purchase and own than a gas powered car.
 
drkelly said:


From a different article I read, apparently 2025 is the year the experts predict an electric car will be equal or less to purchase and own than a gas powered car.
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Well damn. Since I'm a cheap bastard, I guess I'll be shopping EVs in the next 5 years or so. I've only had my truck for 4 years though, so it'll still be around for a while.
 
Since I've run these numbers, I figured some people might be interested.

My aging dodge ram is a thirst trap for parts. I had spent about $900 on replacements in the previous 20k miles. Simple things like brake calipers and blower motors, no significant drivetrain repairs. I was not feeling the nickel and dime game anymore.

I can't not have a truck for my hobbies, so I looked at the old "get a beater DD" trope. We all know that doesn't really save money after you consider all the expenses, and the beater DD doesn't solve my nickel and dime problems.

So I started looking at new trucks. The capability of new gas trucks is good enough for me so I could eliminate the diesel premium and get rid of the repairs at the cost of... cost.

By my calculations, it was going to cost me $21,800 to keep DD'ing the ram for 5 more years. 60k more miles. Thats maintenance, fuel, insurance, and depreciation. Going for a new truck over those 5 years it would run me $27,100 over the same period. That honestly isn't bad... ~$1000 per year may be worth the time savings of not repairing things constantly. But the dollars don't really buy me any new features or capabilities.

So the M3... via a confluence of factors including lower per mile cost, lower insurance, and tax breaks, it is actually only calculated to cost $25,200 over 5 years to get the Tesla and keep the Ram. If that holds true, I'll be spending an extra $56 per month over that 5 years for the additional amenities which is fine by me.

6 months on, it was the right decision. YMMV.
 
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I know 2 Tesla/Elon knob-slobbers... both are have multiple 4WD rigs, performance cars, black-smoke billowing diesel towrigs, etc. (one actually works in the gas-powered auto wrench sector)

Both LOVE their Teslas, stating that the "cost per mile" for juicing thru the grid and lack of "maintenance" expense (oil/filter changes, brakes, etc.) make it a no brainer. Not to mention the additional drooling of the "super-chargers" for longer distances. The dual motor (AWD) models are quite snappy and handle well with the majority of the weight inches off the ground.

The bottom line is both were ready to drop/finance a $50k-$75k vehicle and the math works in their cases.
Me, barring a visit from the lotto-bunny, will NEVER buy a new vehicle again and don't plan/want to finance a vehicle going forward.
 
Coincidentally...this popped up in my Bronco Driver magazine, and I thought to myself...maybe I could be an EV guy. Looked it up, prices started at $185k...and decided I’d probably be willing to pay for a used one in 50 years.

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My wife would be a prime candidate for an EV. She drives ~2 miles to work and back. Her Jeep has never gone 3,000 miles before the oil light comes on. It is always time to change before the miles get it. But, the buy in cost is pretty high.

that and I’ve never had good luck with batteries. I kill them pretty regular. I’d need something pretty dummy proof

I’ve looked at lithium iron phosphate for my boat trolling motor. It’s hard to justify the cost. They are way more expensive. If it ever got down to 2x as expensive it might be worth it.
 
BigBody79 said:
My wife would be a prime candidate for an EV. She drives ~2 miles to work and back. Her Jeep has never gone 3,000 miles before the oil light comes on. It is always time to change before the miles get it. But, the buy in cost is pretty high.

that and I’ve never had good luck with batteries. I kill them pretty regular. I’d need something pretty dummy proof

I’ve looked at lithium iron phosphate for my boat trolling motor. It’s hard to justify the cost. They are way more expensive. If it ever got down to 2x as expensive it might be worth it.
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The Teslas are pretty dummyproof if you remember to plug them in. It'll charge to the set point and turn off. If you're driving it'll constantly tell you the battery level and where the nearest superchargers are.

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