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marty79 said:
uhm yeah...using stick welder to work on cars/jeeps...good luck with that
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Every weld I have ever seen you post could be done with a stick welder very easily there just not as convenient as the sqirt gun that being said I can't weld worth a dam but I got plenty on good freinds that can if scott is a 5 I'm a 0
 
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marty79 said:
uhm yeah...using stick welder to work on cars/jeeps...good luck with that
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Clearly you've never seen a well executed stick weld. Haha.

A well executed stick weld, with proper prep and cleanup will look just as good as any mig weld, only having a few characteristics as a stick weld.

In my book, flux core falls under mig category.

JF If you want to get technical and differentiate between the two,

Flux core is FCAW
Gas mig is GMAW
Tig is GTAW
Stick is SMAW

Flux core on your 110v machine is still short circuit mig.

IMO, your welds would be much worse if using hard wire and gas.

The inherent problem with short circuit mig, is that the arc has very little force compared to other processes.

This means that the weld tends to build outward rather than "burn in " and penetrate the base metal on the bottom "root" of the puddle.

If short circuit mig is done too slowly, both with travel speed (parallel with the axis of the joint) and puddle manipulation (weave across the joint axis) the weld will be cold on the bottom, having inadequate fusion with the base metal at the root of the joint.

Think of this problem as the weld being caulk over top of the weld joint.


Flux core wire helps to penetrate deeper and has slightly more arc force.

This helps to band aid the problem of welding too slow with short circuit mig.


You must focus on keeping the arc on the very front edge of the puddle, where the puddle meets the base metal, in order to keep the puddle from insulating the arc from the base metal.

If you need a thicker weld than what is capable using the proper techniques, you need to weld the joint with multiple passes.
 
Yeah I am a 1.5 welder. A solid 2.5 with a stick buzz box and a 0 with a tig rig.

That said my uncle is in his early 80s now. But he was a facsinating dude when he was younger.
Was in the service. Fought in Korea. Was a Cook and a Sniper in the service always said that was a rare combination and if he couldn't kill ya he'd feed ya and fatten ya up. After the war he learned to weld and made a damn good living working into his late 60s as a welder. Worked the last 25 years there for Duke Power and was certified to weld on Nuclear Operations at Catawba Plant and then traveled around the country for a few years just doing "critical path" welding for Duke.

Long story short I've watched him weld Aluminum, Stainless (YES STAINLESS), Carbon, Cast and more with a cheap old Lincoln Tombstone buzz box.
He was a welder that other welders saw his work and were in awe of. That was my first introduction to welding.
He was also an amazing shot with a rifle. I guess steady hands helps in both activities.

Anyway being that my first exposure was him, I have always considered myself a hack.
 
marty79 said:
uhm yeah...using stick welder to work on cars/jeeps...good luck with that
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I stick welded a lot on my buggy as recently as 2 days ago, even .120" wall round tubing.

In the hands of the right welder, stick welding can look better than mig. Mig is the easiest by far, much more than stick or TIG. But, considering I used to be 200' in the air hanging by a rope stick welding structural steel, mig welding in the shop or even laying on the ground is cake work
 
Mac5005 said:
Flux core on your 110v machine is still short circuit mig.
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thanks for all the teaching man, seriously. I keep hearing short circuit mig...so is this the only type of welding that is "short circuit" and other types aren't? and what is short circuit welding compared to non.
oh and i meant for ME, stick welding wouldn't be very easy in a lot of places while working on the ground with no lift and trying to get into those tight spaces...especially exhaust.
 
Mac5005 said:
If you need a thicker weld than what is capable using the proper techniques, you need to weld the joint with multiple passes.
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so with 3/16-1/4 stuff...should I double pass from now on with .30 or .35 wire and when grinding down the first pass, do you just grind down just the surface.
 
marty79 said:
Hell I still SUCK with my new Plasma Cutter...I can't get the technique down for shit for getting pretty cuts and even cuts and all that without it looking like crap or burning through my tips so quickly BUT…
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how in the hell are you welding and can't CUT?
feed it plenty of dry air, use a fence or template, and pull the trigger. really? really?



really?





really?
 
one more time…. really?

I struggle with understanding how you make it through life. it must difficult as hell. to think of all the good air that you use up.
 
Chuckman said:
how in the hell are you welding and can't CUT?
feed it plenty of dry air, use a fence or template, and pull the trigger. really? really?



really?





really?
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honestly i don't know..i mean i can cut with it but they aren't the best looking and just need more practice. just like with everything else, practice practice and I'll get it eventually.
 
marty79 said:
honestly i don't know..i mean i can cut with it but they aren't the best looking and just need more practice. just like with everything else, practice practice and I'll get it eventually.
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If your plasma cutter is 220 why can't you get a 220 welder?
 
marty79 said:
uhm yeah...using stick welder to work on cars/jeeps...good luck with that
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I'm a tadpole/beginner welder (probably a 1-1.5), and I used a stick to weld a few things together on my rigs because the metal was too thick (1/2") for the 110v flux core welder I have. The stick welder was a 220v unit. I stick welded the rear bumper/hitch together on my Samurai and it has taken some serious abuse over the years. I also used a stick welder to build a set of radius arms on my old cab truck.
 
Fabrik8 said:
Yep. I'd rather have a properly done stick weld than a poorly done MIG weld. The end result is much more important than how you get to that point.
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Id also rather have a properly done MIG weld than a poorly done stick weld. Ive said it on here before, welding is like sex - it is all about the penetration. Looks are a bonus.

I learned to stick probably 16 years ago. My boss' 14 year old son taught me. First project was a log splitter. 12" I beam, ram from a garbage truck, 22hp lawnmower engine. I have seen that beam twist under the pressure it has been under. No broken welds yet. I still have a buzz box but it is at my daddy's shop. Miller 210 is at my shop.
 
Been doing some demo and cleanup at the new building and came across this suhhhweeeeet specimen of roll cage potential. Decent wall thickness and hell, some even have base plates already mounted and has built in triangulation. Science of metals tells me that it's good to go!

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Will trade for light bulbs and gutter ice.
 
StretchASU said:
Been doing some demo and cleanup at the new building and came across this suhhhweeeeet specimen of roll cage potential. Decent wall thickness and hell, some even have base plates already mounted and has built in triangulation. Science of metals tells me that it's good to go!

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Will trade for light bulbs and gutter ice.
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Will you trade for some used condoms? Have several colors
 
well this is going downhill in a hurry.....carry on.
 
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