Gravel/Crusher Run

Chris_Keziah

Joe Dirt @ Rev Limit Fab
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Winston-Salem
Anybody on here deal in gravel/crusher run in Winston/Kernersville area? Needing 8-12 tons delivered, figured I'd check here first. Vendor recommendations would be appreciated as well.

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Martin Merrita's price is about $25 per ton, give or take a dollar. Hauler will also want a delivery charge. Some will just quote a total price. Delivery is generally $100-$150; may depend on distance. Just so you can figure What your getting charged.

Chris, some Quarry's also have a "non-spec" ABC. Some call it modified pit, or process pit.
Same basic ABC, just a little less rock & more dirty fins. I doesn't meet State specs for roads, but it Is cheaper! I don't know the cost.
 
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I pay about 400 per 15 ton delivered from Vulcan here (the expensive quarry but also two miles away) .I would suggest you err on the high side of your estimate, even when you think you ordered more than enough it's not enough.
 
Loflin concrete is normally cheapest. Let me know if you find someone cheaper.
I'll check with them, Vulcan wanted 428 for 12 tons delivered (135 of that is the delivery fee). Walburg Mulch and gravel was 500 for 16 ton delivered.

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I used Appaloosa Lawn Care. Hes local to me and did great. He covers greensboro to boone. Great guy, known him all my life.

Two dump truck loads. $450 delivered and spread. Came from Vulcan

Appaloosa Lawn and Gravel :: Go Wilkes! - The Community Website for Wilkes County, Wilkesboro, and North Wilkesboro, NC

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@rodney eppes how far (linear feet: I.E. straight line driveway) will 16 tons get me?

About 100 LF of driveway 4" deep.
Why is this? And what should you use instead?

Use compacted ABC for the base, then top it with a washed stone. It keeps dust down, and a larger washed stone doesn't get stuck in your tire tread as easily.

I went through this stuff the other day, trying to figure out a similar problem. I started out thinking that I'd just use the dump trailer and get a load or two. Once I ran the numbers, I realized I actually needed more like 30 tons. That's a lot of dump trailer loads.
 
Wow. I feel fortunate,around here ABC is $300 for 20ton delivered . I have a single axle truck and can't even buy it for $15/ton. Cost me $17.50/ton
 
I just got 60 ton at 16.66 delivered. Really matters how far they have to haul, and if you know the guy.

Don't buy a partial load....you are paying for the time, truck and fuel whether he brings 12 or 20 tons.


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When we built our house and road we got 180 tons delivered for right at $2k. Vulcan is about 3 miles from the house which helps.
 
About 100 LF of driveway 4" deep.
I was just advised by both black sand and Wallburg Stone and mulch that you only go to 2 inch deep of ABC until it's packed down then you put another 2 inches of 67 on top of that. Otherwise if you put 4 inches of ABC down you begin to spin and it acts like sand
 
I was just advised by both black sand and Wallburg Stone and mulch that you only go to 2 inch deep of ABC until it's packed down then you put another 2 inches of 67 on top of that. Otherwise if you put 4 inches of ABC down you begin to spin and it acts like sand
Then I need half as much as i thought, I got 8 tons calculated for 4 inches thick.

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I Disagree with that 2'' figure! With the dump truck, probably spreading it for you, he's not going to be able to spread less than 3-4"s. Less than that & ABC will jam in the tailgate. Even then, Hope there's no Lumps in the mix! A 3" spread will pack down to 2" even using a car or truck to pack it. I've Never seen Or heard of spinning in it & turning it to sand.:shaking: As for ton/yard, most Quarry's use the "Yard = 1 1/3 to 1 1/2 ton". Based on stone weight. ABC will generally be the heaviest. [1 1/2] Measure out the yardage & multiply the tonnage.
 
I was just advised by both black sand and Wallburg Stone and mulch that you only go to 2 inch deep of ABC until it's packed down then you put another 2 inches of 67 on top of that. Otherwise if you put 4 inches of ABC down you begin to spin and it acts like sand

That's bullshit. You want 4-6" of compressed ABC on clean subsoil with 2-4" of washed stone on top.
 
I Disagree with that 2'' figure!
That's what I was waiting for. I knew you could lay down a drive without needing a box scrape to "fix it" so I was very curious to hear what YOU thought of her "knowledge".

Haven't had a chance to even ask Corky what his thoughts are...he's likely to drive over there and cuss her for spreading lies like that :lol:

That's bullshit. You want 4-6" of compressed ABC on clean subsoil with 2-4" of washed stone on top.

Where it meets the paved road, do I need to undercut so the base doesn't taper down? I.e. cut the new road well below the edge of the asphalt in prep for gravel base
 
I couldn't remember all the differences between all the gravel names, so I did a quick googlage, and guess what popped up #5 on the search results...Aggregate sizes?
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I used a thin layer (~2") of #4 railroad ballast on top of packed clay for my initial driveway almost 10 years ago. There's about 100ft that is still just railroad ballast and is holding up great. I've since covered the majority of it with #57 washed stone mainly for cosmetic reasons. I hate crusher run because of the dust when its dry and the gray silt that flings on everything when it's wet. The driveway going down to my shop is crusher run and it seems to wash out easier than the clean stone.
 
I agree^. I spread it ~4 " thick with nothing on top and it pretty much turns into a surface similar to asphalt with use. Then you can add whatever. With an unprepared substrate, half that shit gonna sink and disappear anyway.
thats exactly how ours did. I packed initially with the jeep and then after about a week and one good rain, its like concrete.
 
The driveway going down to my shop is crusher run and it seems to wash out easier than the clean stone.

The only part of your driveway that has any significant slope washes out when it rains? That's weird. :flipoff2:

That's what I was waiting for. I knew you could lay down a drive without needing a box scrape to "fix it" so I was very curious to hear what YOU thought of her "knowledge".

Well, it depends. From what I recall, you're cutting a road (or improving an existing forest road) that runs through a wooded area and over a culvert. It's probably got a bunch of organic stuff on top that needs to be cleaned off. So you do that first, and get down to clean subsoil or maybe even an existing stone roadbed. If there's a roadbed there, and it's in good shape, your work might be half done. If not, you need some stone for a good base. All the complaints about crusher run/ABC are spot on: the fines make dust worse, and they turn into grey mud when wet. But the different sized aggregate in ABC bonds together and creates a solid base that seems as strong as concrete. Variations that comply with DOT specifications are commonly referred to as "road base" for a reason. That's why I suggested using it as a base and topping it with a washed stone. A larger stone base (think #4 or bigger) can also work, and may work better than ABC in areas that are soft/wet. A washed stone base will be more porous, and will let water permeate down through the road (to a point), whereas ABC sheet flows. Washed stone can be displaced more easily by tires, though, particularly on hills or areas where you turn sharply (parking pads, etc).

As for spreading and thicknesses, I think Rodney is right - when it falls out of the truck, it's going to be about 4" thick and about 8ft wide. Given that you're probably going to be pulling trailers down this road, I think you want a road base that's in the neighborhood of 12ft wide, more in areas that aren't straight. So let them spread it with the dumps, then come back with a skid loader and spread that 4"x96" pile down to a 2-3"x 10-12ft road base. Then repeat on the next load. The equipment should help with compaction, too. The best way would be with a plate compactor or vibratory roller, but that might be a bit much for what you're describing here.

As for the existing city/DOT road, I bet you'll run into stone road base before you get within a foot or two of the asphalt.

I'm interested to hear other folks opinions on all of this, as I have an existing stone driveway that needs fixing.

I'm no civil engineer, but I did write this post on the commode.
 
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