Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

If you could only vote for one or the other, who would it be?

  • Hillary Clinton

  • Donald Trump

  • Gary Johnson

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rockcity said:
Jumping on the viral bandwagon is great for your buddy that posts a video to FB of him burning his ass with a bottle rocket doing stupid drunk shit July 4. It's not really something to play around with when voting for someone that won't likely ever have enough support to make it to the debates....
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Because you are only perpetuating a chicken and egg problem.
According to you, don't bother supporting him, he won't make it to the debates. porting him.
Why not? Because not enough people support him. That I the requirement to make it to the debates.

If people want something different, they have to take a chance by taking any alternate route to get there. Not just relying on a "different guy" via the same route.
That is how we ended up w/ the Trump Trainwreck.
 
StretchASU said:
That said, Trump is a trainwreck. Who the hell knows what he will actually do in office. Hillary is nuts and we know she will go after the second amendment as well as other rights. Gary Johnson SOUNDS good, but against the other two and in the strength of opposition, IMO the third party doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell unless the Republicans that do not support Trump get behind him and make a major push.
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This is the thing that I feel like a lot of people are refusing to see.
Yes, Trump is running as Republican, and now saying what he needs to in order to get the support of the voting base.
But if you look back over time, he has a proven record of basically doing or saying whatever was needed at that time to accomplish his task. He has walked back on his statements and policies so many times just in the last 9 months its impossible to know what he actually stands for.
This is a guy who has changed his party affiliation, what, 5 or 5 different times? And been a Democrat longer than a republican?
The way I see it, either way you're going to get a sleezy crook. Yes we all know Clinton is sleezy, but if you think Trump isn't then you're lying to yourself.
at least Clinton is predictable and can be headed off at the pass by Congress, or other members of he party. Nobody knows wtf Trump will do, except whatever he wants and not listen to anybody.
I'd rather have the predictable crook than the unpredictable one.

Well I'd REALLY rather have the guy w/ a proven record of leadership and, perhaps more importantly, working as the lead of a governmental body where they have minimal actual control - the one thing neither of these jokers has - in a situation where he is from the outside party and has few allies. B/c that's exactly the situation the next Pres will be in.
And is exactly where Gary Johnson falls...
 
I'm a believer experience is key in a lot of things. Johnson sounds like he would do a great job. But I honestly need to look more into it.

Most of this nation is trying to figure out the lesser of the 2 evils and for Johnson to actually seem like a good candidate makes it a no brainer decision for me.


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DSM Turbos said:
I really wonder if this election is going to blow up so bad that a real 3rd party emerges.
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That's what it looks like.
It's just a shame it's so late in the game now - which is crazy to say since it's still 3.5 months until the election - that it's hard to see a 3rd party guy gaining so much steam for it to really happen.
 
He's gone from like 9% to 22% the past few weeks in the poll from what his Facebook has done


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DSM Turbos said:
I really wonder if this election is going to blow up so bad that a real 3rd party emerges.
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I think it already has started to emerge. You'll always have your bell curve, 10% of people will always vote Dem regardless of candidate and 10% that will always vote Repub. And then you have the majority sitting in the middle 80%, and with the candidates brought before us today, I think it's evoking responses from the middle 80% that are no longer the right wing nut jobs of the GOP or the left wing hippies. Those mentalities are all but dead in today's America. I believe there's true disgust from the 80% with candidates in front of them. And that's why we're currently seeing a surge with Johnson. I think it's too little too late for him at this point, but I'd certainly like to see the libertarian party start tooling up for an immediate re-launch. If they can get in people's heads early and stay out in front...I think they have a legitimate chance, especially if whoever is elected in November bites the dust. And for the record, I think they can do better than ol' Gary Johnson as well.
 
Trump is not GOP by any means, hence the pissin and spittin by mainstream politicians. They are lining up behind him as they want to win and realize he's the horse that they can ride.

I'm Liberarian in philosophy, but the key this go round is keep Killery out. Please don't throw your votes away... I'm out. ;-)


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/dev/yj said:
Trump is not GOP by any means, hence the pissin and spittin by mainstream politicians. They are lining up behind him as they want to win and realize he's the horse that they can ride.

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And that right there is the big problem w/ the 2-party system.
"they" (meaning some faceless Republican) see it as "we" win b/c "we" have a guy in the WH that has a label on his name tage that matches "our" party.
That that is 100% meaningless if the guy isn't REALLY in line w/ the party desires.

Here is a serious question.
How many people would be lining up behind Trump if he were to run as independent but w/ the exact same things he says he wants to do now?
$20 in my pocket says it would be a LOT less.
 
RatLabGuy said:
And that right there is the big problem w/ the 2-party system.
"they" (meaning some faceless Republican) see it as "we" win b/c "we" have a guy in the WH that has a label on his name tage that matches "our" party.
That that is 100% meaningless if the guy isn't REALLY in line w/ the party desires.

Here is a serious question.
How many people would be lining up behind Trump if he were to run as independent but w/ the exact same things he says he wants to do now?
$20 in my pocket says it would be a LOT less.
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"They" are the other politicians. "We" have a system wherein "they" represent [sic] us. Sadly they don't always do that and it takes time to cycle them out.

In the meantime... don't get Killery elected due to principles that while valid, don't achieve the desired result in the timeframe required.


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/dev/yj said:
"They" are the other politicians. "We" have a system wherein "they" represent [sic] us. Sadly they don't always do that and it takes time to cycle them out.

In the meantime... don't get Killery elected due to principles that while valid, don't achieve the desired result in the timeframe required.


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I think that type of thinking is exactly how we ended up here. The phrase lesser of to evils had to have been started by a crooked politician lol.

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RatLabGuy said:
And that right there is the big problem w/ the 2-party system.
"they" (meaning some faceless Republican) see it as "we" win b/c "we" have a guy in the WH that has a label on his name tage that matches "our" party.
That that is 100% meaningless if the guy isn't REALLY in line w/ the party desires.

Here is a serious question.
How many people would be lining up behind Trump if he were to run as independent but w/ the exact same things he says he wants to do now?
$20 in my pocket says it would be a LOT less.
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In my lifetime there are exactly 2 people who ever ran for POTUS , who I would for Trump before. Obama and Hillary. Yes I'd vote Bill, Dole, Dukakis, 3rd term for W...you name it over Trump.

Gun to my head i'd prefer a 3rd term of BHO to Hillary.

Trump gets my vote because he has a chance to beat her.
 
I would like to see Johnson get above 15% in the polls so he can be in the debates.
 
I have got way too much to say here... I'll keep it simple. I'm voting for Trump. I've just taken the time to read this entire thread....And just taken the time to read Gary Johnson's site. I truly do fear the ross perot syndrome. I think people are way off about many items towards Trump but with that being said I really like what Johnson has to say. I will support Johnson if he moves up in the polls
 
StretchASU said:
The current vacancy situation with the Supreme Court Justices, coupled with the age of the remaining Justices is one of the most concerning things to look at IMO. Average age of retirement is around 78 for these people. We have 2 over this number and one a month away from turning 78. IF the trend continued to be the same, we could witness the next President have to appoint 4 Justices during their term and most likely it being a given if the next President was to get elected for a second term. With Scalia's seat empty, we have a 4/4 split between the parties within the seats of the Supreme Court Justices. The long term effects of who our next President may appoint will have effects lingering long after this next President is out of office.

The concerning factor on this election for me, regardless of who my friends support, is that I see too many living in the "Now" and what can this next President do for me "now", versus looking at what the now could do to their future. But that is unfortunately the world we live in where everyone wants results now versus looking at a bigger picture and looking 2-3 steps ahead.

That said, Trump is a trainwreck. Who the hell knows what he will actually do in office. Hillary is nuts and we know she will go after the second amendment as well as other rights. Gary Johnson SOUNDS good, but against the other two and in the strength of opposition, IMO the third party doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell unless the Republicans that do not support Trump get behind him and make a major push.
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I normally don't stick my nose into this type of conversation, but this time I have to get on the soapbox:

First of all the post quoted above is the only truly sensible post I've seen on the entire thread. My compliments to you, StretchASU. This is my 70th year in this life, and I have seen a lot of things, but I have never seen our country in the mess it's in right now. Today's situation makes the 60's look like Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. Folks, this country has one chance, and one chance only, to see any possibility of the situation turning around. Donald Trump is that possibility, Hilliary Clinton is NOT, and any vote for any other candidate, regardless of how wonderful you think he/she is a pitiful waste of a vote that could actually do some good. Now I am not a Donald Trump fan, and based on his portrayal from TV and news media I think he is a butt hole. However, right now he is the only chance we have. Having said this, I will suggest some very serious considerations be taken before wasting any votes. It's either going to be Trump or Clinton. There are no other choices to be considered. Rant over!
 
I plan on voting my conscience. I can not vote for Trump, partly because he is a "butt hole".
It is my job as an American to vote for the person that I think best represents my views. And that person is Johnson.
Things will never change unless we change them. Maybe I am nieve in thinking I can make a difference, but i am not going to cast a vote for trump just so Hillary won't win.
That's not what the founders of our great nation had in mind.
 
Riddle said:
I plan on voting my conscience. I can not vote for Trump, partly because he is a "butt hole".
It is my job as an American to vote for the person that I think best represents my views. And that person is Johnson.
Things will never change unless we change them. Maybe I am nieve in thinking I can make a difference, but i am not going to cast a vote for trump just so Hillary won't win.
That's not what the founders of our great nation had in mind.
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I'll bet our founding fathers were rich douche bags for their time. Just say'n
 
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