House Bill 2

Fabrik8 said:
Which core values? Whose core values?

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Had this discussion with a buddy of mine this weekend. His stance is 'Liberty is Liberty and government needs to butt out'. Great, does that mean my definition of liberty is the same as his, or a guy that wants to use the ladies room, or someone that believes murder is ok? Where is the line drawn? Whose line is it? I don't think it's as much that the government wanted to get involved in who can use which bathroom, as much as it is when you have more than one viewpoint, people will appeal to a higher power to get their way. In doing so, you're forcing governance (which I find ironic, we're getting more freedom, by putting more laws on the books). People are quick to bash .gov, but as long as there is a higher power to appeal to, people will...doesn't matter if it's government as we know it or some dude sitting on a mud mound with a wart hog skull on his head.
 
Fabrik8 said:
Higher power in government, or higher power in religious terms? The both make sense in context, hence the clarification. :confused:
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Government...Jesus is my homeboy and all, I just don't think he'll make an appearance to make a ruling on who can use what bathroom.
 
UTfball68 said:
Government...Jesus is my homeboy and all, I just don't think he'll make an appearance to make a ruling on who can use what bathroom.
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I figured you were thinking along the lines of people using the Bible to justify legislative decisions like this (LGBT, etc.). I see what you're saying.
 
Fabrik8 said:
I figured you were thinking along the lines of people using the Bible to justify legislative decisions like this (LGBT, etc.). I see what you're saying.
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Well...the common law basis of our legal system (derived from the mother country) does have religious hues strewn throughout their legal ideology. I wasn't there, so I can't say how much weight it carried, but it definitely was part of the foundation.
 
Dare I ask the question......

Are transgenders, lesbians, gays and bisexuals new? I mean, lesbians and gays are specifically mentioned in the Bible (for sake of argument I'm not even going into what was said, just that they are mentioned), so at least for the 2000 years or so since the Bible has been written, they at least existed with no major problems with what restroom to use. The issue was only brought to light because of the demands to be able to use the restroom of their choosing in Charlotte. Those demands were rewarded with the passage of local ordinances allowing anyone to use any bathroom as they chose. Due to those demands, NC legislation had to look down the road to the ramifications of the potential abuse of these demands and put in place House Bill 2, restricting rest room use to the sex listed on your birth certificate. Notice, I said the potential abuse - not by the LGBT community per se, but by potential perpetrators of ANY SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR IDENTITY.

Nobody seems to be mentioning that fact, they only want to make broad accusations that it's hateful bigotry.
 
^^^That's really been the big question for me all along. What brought about the 'demand'??? As you've said, these transgressions aren't new, I'm sure people have been using whatever bathroom they wanted for as long as there have been bathrooms. I always looked at it like concealed carry, if nobody can tell you have something on you, nobody can complain. Does it make it right, no...but at least then you don't have to listen to how offended and oppressed everyone is. Get over it, life isn't fair.
 
One of the main issues of hb2 is the limits that were set on the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination. I'm not sure why limits were set....seems a bit like too much big government over reach.

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ManglerYJ said:
Dare I ask the question......

Are transgenders, lesbians, gays and bisexuals new? I mean, lesbians and gays are specifically mentioned in the Bible (for sake of argument I'm not even going into what was said, just that they are mentioned), so at least for the 2000 years or so since the Bible has been written, they at least existed with no major problems with what restroom to use. The issue was only brought to light because of the demands to be able to use the restroom of their choosing in Charlotte. Those demands were rewarded with the passage of local ordinances allowing anyone to use any bathroom as they chose. Due to those demands, NC legislation had to look down the road to the ramifications of the potential abuse of these demands and put in place House Bill 2, restricting rest room use to the sex listed on your birth certificate. Notice, I said the potential abuse - not by the LGBT community per se, but by potential perpetrators of ANY SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR IDENTITY.

Nobody seems to be mentioning that fact, they only want to make broad accusations that it's hateful bigotry.
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Just to be clear- you do know there is a huge difference between being gay or lesbian, and being transgender, right?
 
benXJ said:
One of the main issues of hb2 is the limits that were set on the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination. I'm not sure why limits were set....seems a bit like too much big government over reach.

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bingo. This is the real problem, that tells me it isn't about equality, but establishing dominance.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Just to be clear- you do know there is a huge difference between being gay or lesbian, and being transgender, right?
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Yes. My question was "Is it new?" My point in even bringing up the Biblical mention was not to thump it and point to where it says, "blah blah blah", but to merely mention that it's as old a concept as time itself. I'm sure there are transgender individuals that were born with (for lack of a better word), mismatched parts - i.e. breasts and male genitalia for years but you wouldn't know unless you asked specifically (cue the Crying Game music). I know gender reassignment surgeries have been done for years, but again, were not brought to the forefront until Bruce Jenner decided he had enough pole vaulting and wanted a pair of shotputs up top instead.
 
benXJ said:
One of the main issues of hb2 is the limits that were set on the rights of LGBT people to sue for discrimination. I'm not sure why limits were set....seems a bit like too much big government over reach.

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If you read HB2, it actually establishes that the Health and Human Services Division to directly deal with complaints of discrimination so that individuals would not HAVE to sue in open court any time that they felt discriminated against. The idea is that since this is a sensitive matter of privacy, wouldn't it be better handled by a department which is already in tune with matters of privacy than to have potentially dozens of individual court cases clogging up the docket?
 
Here is my opinion all bathrooms completely closed off. If not some guy goes in to bathroom with my wife or three year old girl him or me are not coming out . Hope he or she finds God if not then his ass mine. Either way turn of burn or hell will be your final destination . God decideds in the end.
 
As the home of the Lady Vols...I'm half way tempted to email my alma mater back and tell them the NCAA says they can't recognize gender.

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People are all bent out of shape about the bathrooms. But it wasn't Raleigh that over reached it was Charlotte. Bill states that businesses or venues can can choose whatever policy they want for bathroom use age. Only state property is required to be separated. So if a individual business want to run a peep show in their bathroom, they can. But the liability is on that business when "daddy" finds out and paints the stall walls with the pedifles brain matter. Charlotte wanted to force integrated bathrooms on private businesses which is a major ever reach of government power IMO. I don't think they should have added all the discrimination lawsuit stuff to the bill it just muddied the water. As far as all the concerts, tournaments and businesses that have decided to go elsewhere. I say "good riddance, and get fornicated" all that isn't worth the innocence of our young girls in this state.


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